thinking about ps3....

[redtop91]

I know, but if redtop would have read his article, It was Based on 1 weeks worth of sales, which the next week the ps3 pushed those numbers that i posted.

I did read my article. Keep your arguments straight. My argument against yours was not that it was based off of 1 week of sales but rather that it is from some obscure gaming site that no one has even seen before. Like I mentioned earlier had you read the article and what I said, the point was to show Xbox 360 is gaining steam in Japan and games like DMC4 can only help the momentum. As far as MS is concerned the sales in Japan are a triumph. They made huge profit off of the first Xbox with NO sales in Japan. Any money made there is suprise profit.

[R240sx]

I did read my article. Keep your arguments straight. My argument against yours was not that it was based off of 1 week of sales but rather that it is from some obscure gaming site that no one has even seen before. Like I mentioned earlier had you read the article and what I said, the point was to show Xbox 360 is gaining steam in Japan and games like DMC4 can only help the momentum. As far as MS is concerned the sales in Japan are a triumph.

With comments like the 360 is beating out the wii and ps3 in japan you can only hope but get comments that will correct you. the article you posted was absolutly correct, for 1 week the 360 sold more consoles then ps3 by a margin of 200 consoles or so, but it was no where near to outselling either one in japan. outselling by 1 week does not mean outselling year to date. also last weeks Media create numbers are out today and xbox was down to 5700 so it seemed that it was only a bump it recieved the first week of november with ace combat out.

Quote »They made huge profit off of the first Xbox with NO sales in Japan. Any money made there is suprise profit.[/quote]also just FYI but MSG's never made a dime of profit off the xbox, in the entire course of its lifetime it left MSG with a hugh deficit from the costs, why do you think they dropped it cold turkey once the 360 came out. the 360 also has only been profitable for this past quarter with the release of halo3.

[f1seb]

Just stop trying, join the ranks of the lobotomized!

Xbox 360 rules!!! Redtop91 is the all knowing gaming guy dude!! PS3 Sucks, I'm throwing my out the window right ..... now!!!

[Axel Grungy]

PS3 Sucks, I'm throwing my out the window right ..... now!!!

(stands outside your window and catches it, running off laughing histerically)

[BMAR240SX]

Im thinking Arby's

[redtop91]

With comments like the 360 is beating out the wii and ps3 in japan you can only hope but get comments that will correct you.

With you calling Microsoft a "me too" company and making random generalizations and backing up "facts" with questionable sources you can't expect me not to correct you. The simple facts are 360 is leading the PS3 in the US and gaining steam in Japan. What is there to argue about? Either way this discussion was fun and you aren't just an uninformed fanboy like f1seb but you aren't reading my posts anymore so this discussion is pointless.

outselling by 1 week does not mean outselling year to date. also last weeks Media create numbers are out today and xbox was down to 5700 so it seemed that it was only a bump it recieved the first week of november with ace combat out.

Here goes the not reading my posts thing again. I never discredited your "article" because it was based off one week. Go back and read jeez. Again this discussion is pointless because you clearly aren't even listening to my counter statements.

[f1seb]

With you calling Microsoft a "me too" company and making random generalizations and backing up "facts" with questionable sources you can't expect me not to correct you. The simple facts are 360 is leading the PS3 in the US and gaining steam in Japan. What is there to argue about? Either way this discussion was fun and you aren't just an uninformed fanboy like f1seb but you aren't reading my posts anymore so this discussion is pointless.

Here goes the not reading my posts thing again. I never discredited your "article" because it was based off one week. Go back and read jeez. Again this discussion is pointless because you clearly aren't even listening to my counter statements.

Says the self proclaimed "non-fanboy" who is responsible for 90% of all the xbox 360 posts here and is usually the first one to jump in and slam the PS3. But puhlease, show me my "fanboy mentality." Show me where I made one uninformed post? Although it doesn't appear like that to you I'm sure many here can tell you that you appear as a MS Zealot no matter what you say and how much you deny that you aren't one. And please explain this to me again. How can you (somebody who doesn't own a PS3 and obviously has some sort of vendetta against it) offer any help to somebody who is possibly looking to buy one.

[redtop91]

Although it doesn't appear like that to you I'm sure many here can tell you that you appear as a MS Zealot no matter what you say and how much you deny that you aren't one.

I've never denied that. I embrace it for that matter:

Maybe I did miss the point of what you are trying to say but when you present somewhat biased facts in a known Xbox fan's thread you couldn't have expected me to overlook the details.

Says the self proclaimed "non-fanboy" who is responsible for 90% of all the xbox 360 posts here and is usually the first one to jump in and slam the PS3.

I never bashed the PS3 at all, in fact if you can find a post where I said anything against the PS3 hardware I'd be impressed, I just stated my personal preferences. You were the one who jumped in an started bashing 360 owners. In case you forgot I'll remind you:

Of course I think I was the only one who noticed you said you want to hear from PS3 Owners, so I don't know what the 360 crowd is here for....oh yeah to tell you not to get it.

How can you (somebody who doesn't own a PS3 and obviously has some sort of vendetta against it) offer any help to somebody who is possibly looking to buy one.

I don't have a Vendetta against it. You have some sort of Vendetta against me it appears. I just said that it doesn't appeal to me at this point which is a sentiment that was expressed even before I posted in this thread and you started going crazy. Again you are a fanboy because you can't live with other people's e-pinions.

[R240sx]

With you calling Microsoft a "me too" company and making random generalizations and backing up "facts" with questionable sources you can't expect me not to correct you. The simple facts are 360 is leading the PS3 in the US and gaining steam in Japan. What is there to argue about? Either way this discussion was fun and you aren't just an uninformed fanboy like f1seb but you aren't reading my posts anymore so this discussion is pointless.

that was from another thread and was off-topic. The reason i said it was a me-too company was because as of late all its been doing is taking idea's of others and re-releasing them in there own name, which ofcoarse you will say its business and economics, there's no point in diving deeping into that topic.

Here goes the not reading my posts thing again. I never discredited your "article" because it was based off one week. Go back and read jeez. Again this discussion is pointless because you clearly aren't even listening to my counter statements.

Actually you seem to not be following, i was originally replying to MoD's comment that my post was irrelevant for posting weekly sales, when in fact it wasnt, the articles for IGN were just so that people would feel more comfortable with a more "reliable" source.

[redtop91]

Yeah we aren't communicating effectively so let's leave it at that.

[R240sx]

Yeah we aren't communicating effectively so let's leave it at that.

[f1seb]

I've never denied that. I embrace it for that matter:

I never bashed the PS3 at all, in fact if you can find a post where I said anything against the PS3 hardware I'd be impressed, I just stated my personal preferences. You were the one who jumped in an started bashing 360 owners. In case you forgot I'll remind you:

I don't have a Vendetta against it. You have some sort of Vendetta against me it appears. I just said that it doesn't appeal to me at this point which is a sentiment that was expressed even before I posted in this thread and you started going crazy. Again you are a fanboy because you can't live with other people's e-pinions.

Please show me where I'm bashing an Xbox 360 owner.

But again one question that you never seem to answer is "What can you contribute to this thread without owning a PS3." Except the only thing which you have done and keep putting down the PS3 because it doesn't have as impressive game library as the 360. A system that has been out for how long now compared to the 1 year old PS3. Fanboy is the one who usually starts busting out sales figures which is what you did. Again how does this help anything in this PS3 thread? You stated above that you didn't want to turn this into a PS3 vs. 360 thread but you did that quite well by busting out the sales figures.

You talk about opinions and them being just that. But what did you do when I made my 1st post? You called me a sore loser for some reason. I was not aware we're in some contest. What did I lose, can you tell me? What did you win? Was there 3rd place?

Seems like you're in violation of your most recent post where it seems like you can't handle other peoples opinions.

[redtop91]

Please show me where I'm bashing an Xbox 360 owner.

I already did. I can show you the light all day long but in the end we both know you'd never accept it. I showed you where you did it. The ability to read it part is up to you.

Please show me where I'm bashing an Xbox 360 owner.

But again one question that you never seem to answer is "What can you contribute to this thread without owning a PS3."

My opinions. Last time I checked that's what a forum is for. You didn't post this thread so you have no right to tell who can or cannot post and even if you did the internet is completely free speech. I can post what I want.

The sore loser part was a joke. Everyone seemed to brush it off except you. The only people who can't accept jokes about a gaming console are fanboys. You get where I'm going with this? Probably not but again the comprehension part is outside my control.

[f1seb]

I already did. I can show you the light all day long but in the end we both know you'd never accept it. I showed you where you did it. The ability to read it part is up to you.

My opinions. Last time I checked that's what a forum is for. You didn't post this thread so you have no right to tell who can or cannot post and even if you did the internet is completely free speech. I can post what I want.

Ok show me again where I started bashing 360 owners. You didn't show me the 1st time might I add. And keep ducking the question what can you as a 360 owner tell somebody who is looking to buy a PS3? It's like talking to a wall with you. I can see why others have given up. And then again, why did you attack me when I posted my own opinion? But then you get all unsettled and think that I'm making a personal attacks on you. All I want you to do is to answer my questions, which you don't.

[redtop91]

Ok show me again where I started bashing 360 owners.

You are doing it right now. As if somehow my opinion is less than yours simply because I prefer the 360 over the PS3 and it's been the same since. You are clearly too dense to see that you are the problem here so I'm not going to argue with you further. I will quote the answers I've already clearly given you if you keep asking the same questions. If you want to be able to understand them I suggest you actually read them. Reply all you want, you will be ignored. I've answered every problem you've brought up thoroughly and clearly. Back on topic now.
Modified by redtop91 at 4:01 PM 11/21/2007

[f1seb]

You are doing it right now. As if somehow my opinion is less than yours simply because I prefer the 360 over the PS3 and it's been the same since. You are clearly too dense to see that you are the problem here so I'm not going to argue with you further. I will quote the answers I've already clearly given you if you keep asking the same questions. If you want to be able to understand them I suggest you actually read them. Reply all you want, you will be ignored. I've answered every problem you've brought up thoroughly and clearly.

Oh so I'm bashing you by asking you to answer my questions. I'm the dense one because I 'm the one who made this post:

I have a PS3 and I love it. There are some great titles that you can get for it already. Of course I think I was the only one who noticed you said you want to hear from PS3 Owners, so I don't know what the 360 crowd is here for....oh yeah to tell you not to get it. Well if you decide on getting one try to find the older 60gig model. That one comes with the EE chip and it plays your ps2 games with better compatibility. The newer systems have that removed and rely on software emulation for backward compatibility. If you care about that thing, if not get the newer models. Online gaming seems fine, I've played my F1 game and I have no problems on the PS3 network. You will definitely see a huge difference in the front end for the network compared to xbox live. It looks rather cheap as if designed by a 10 year old. But it works. New games are coming so the argument of that is getting less viable month by month.

Which you followed with:

then here is what you posted quoting me:Typical sore loser mentality. He never said he wanted to hear from PS3 owners only. Besides the opinions given so far are as unbiased as I've seen ever when it comes to this discussion. It's not our fault no one has a PS3 and this thread would have went empty unless someone replied.

Then you keep ducking my questions concerning that above quote. And I'm the dense one? You keep mentioning some sort of "phantom" bashing that I did to the 360 owners. You know what the easy way would be? To actually quote the bashing I did. Answer me questioning you already. I've done it, what 3 times now, about the sore loser post. Wouldn't you agree that is you attacking me because of me having an opinion?

And here is how I see this one.

As if somehow my opinion is less than yours simply because I prefer the 360 over the PS3 and it's been the same since.

Please tell me how your opinion is of any value to the OP. I believe that my opinion does have value because I own the system in question.

I hope I can actually get some real answers from you and not the same senseless runaround with nothing to back up. You were doing pretty well up to this point with posting facts and quoting sources. It's all I'm looking for here.

[redtop91]

You are doing it right now. As if somehow my opinion is less than yours simply because I prefer the 360 over the PS3 and it's been the same since. You are clearly too dense to see that you are the problem here so I'm not going to argue with you further. I will quote the answers I've already clearly given you if you keep asking the same questions. If you want to be able to understand them I suggest you actually read them. Reply all you want, you will be ignored. I've answered every problem you've brought up thoroughly and clearly. Back on topic now.

Modified by redtop91 at 4:01 PM 11/21/2007

[f1seb]

Typical of an immature know it all. Thanks for the laughs.

[redtop91]

Anytime.

Back on topic now.

[Loki]

Typical of a PS3 owner. Thanks for the laughs.

Fixed

[s13jus10]

dude, redtop. you need to chill out. as much as you think anyone else here is a "fanboy" it seems to me that if anyone here WAS a "fanboy", it'd be you. you even said yourself you've played the ps3 for what, an hour?

to the op, i'll tell you this. I own all three next-gen systems. let me say that again: I own all THREE systems. I've worked at best buy in the gaming department for two years now. working there, i've personally seen how many customers come in and have to exchange their 360s for new ones because of the RROD, and I can tell you it's not a pretty number. microsoft stuck that 3year warranty on it because they KNOW it has problems. for gawd's sake the system hasn't even been out for 3 years. customers come in and tell me all the time that they've waited up to 3 months before getting their "refurbished" 360 back from microsoft. they keep releasing new "versions" of the system (hdmi pro, halo version, elite) but for some reason choose not to fix any of the real problems that it has.

anyone saying that the ps3 is just not worth the price needs to look back and total up how much they spent in order to fully utilize the 360's features. xbox360 pro - $350 (halo $400, elite $450). wireless adapter - $100 (and no, not even the elite comes with it). xboxlive - $50 a year. rechargeable batteries - $20 for play&charge kit, $40 for quick charge kit. external hd-dvd drive - $180. anyone have a calculator? and after all that, you still run the risk of your 360 breaking down on you lol. uhm.. ps3 has all that BUILT IT. it may seem like the price of the ps3 is pretty steep up front, but in the long run, you won't have to buy any add-ons to make your gaming experience fully enjoyable.

as for the "AMAZING FANTASTIC XBOX360 GAMING LINEUP"..what exactly does that consist of? 1.halo....2.gears....3.forza.................?? am I missing anything? the thing has been out for 2 1/2 years and that's all it has produced? don't get me wrong, I can't go without my gears of war (phenomenal game). but everything else, I can pretty much take a pass on.

it may seem like I'm here to just bash on the 360, and I'm not. but when it comes to people predjudicely bringing down other systems without even having their own experience with it, it makes me mad. AGAIN, I own all three systems. knowing and learning as much as I can about video games and systems has been my JOB for 2 years. I sell video game systems for a living. and with that I don't feel "guilty" or "fanboy-ish" when I talk crap on the 360. no it doesn't suck. it's just simply NOT THAT GREAT. as a matter of fact I love the system because it gives us big time revenue because people HAVE to buy the extended warrantees for it

[OldmanPurdy]

anyone saying that the ps3 is just not worth the price needs to look back and total up how much they spent in order to fully utilize the 360's features. xbox360 pro - $350 (halo $400, elite $450). wireless adapter - $100 (and no, not even the elite comes with it). xboxlive - $50 a year. rechargeable batteries - $20 for play&charge kit, $40 for quick charge kit. external hd-dvd drive - $180. anyone have a calculator? and after all that, you still run the risk of your 360 breaking down on you lol. uhm.. ps3 has all that BUILT IT. it may seem like the price of the ps3 is pretty steep up front, but in the long run, you won't have to buy any add-ons to make your gaming experience fully enjoyable.

None of those items listed really have anything to do with gaming its just extras, I can't remember the last time I was playing Gears thinking "damn if only I had a wireless ethernet adapter I could reeally be enjoying this game this stupid blue cable just isn't cutting it"

[Loki]

to the op, i'll tell you this. I own all three next-gen systems. let me say that again: I own all THREE systems. I've worked at best buy in the gaming department for two years now. working there, i've personally seen how many customers come in and have to exchange their 360s for new ones because of the RROD, and I can tell you it's not a pretty number. microsoft stuck that 3year warranty on it because they KNOW it has problems. for gawd's sake the system hasn't even been out for 3 years. customers come in and tell me all the time that they've waited up to 3 months before getting their "refurbished" 360 back from microsoft. they keep releasing new "versions" of the system (hdmi pro, halo version, elite) but for some reason choose not to fix any of the real problems that it has.

This is MS's second console. There will be teething problems, give them a break. At least they are willing to fix the problem, rather than say f*** off, your system is borked.

xbox360 pro - $350 (halo $400, elite $450). wireless adapter - $100 (and no, not even the elite comes with it).

Not really needed to play. I don't know of all too many people who actually have a wireless network set up in their home. And only the higher end PS3s even come with built in Wi-Fi

xboxlive - $50 a year. Oh, 50 bucks a freaking YEAR is so hard to pay, how the hell are you affording 63 dollar GAMES?! Besides, PS3's version of Live is a joke.

rechargeable batteries - $20 for play&charge kit,

Best 20 bucks I ever spent. Plug it in every now and then, done. But still, not a must have or your console will die type of thing.

$40 for quick charge kit.

Why? Buy the goddamn play and charge. Only people with a lot of controllers, and thus a decent amount of money anyways, buy this.

external hd-dvd drive - $180.

Unless you have brain damage, the 360 you bought has one. So let's see, how much have I spent on my 360...about 400 for the console itself.....50 bucks for a new controller a couple months ago...and 20 for the play and charge kit..then a couple years of Live, but that's absurdly easy to pay for....well, that's pretty much it except for games. Huh.

as for the "AMAZING FANTASTIC XBOX360 GAMING LINEUP"..what exactly does that consist of? 1.halo....2.gears....3.forza.................?? am I missing anything? the thing has been out for 2 1/2 years and that's all it has produced? don't get me wrong, I can't go without my gears of war (phenomenal game). but everything else, I can pretty much take a pass on.

First of all, it's been out for two years exactly, to this day, champ. Secondly, Halo 3, Bioshock, Crackdown, gears (don't really even like this game that much, but it's alright), Forza, PGR, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed (PS3 got the poop version). Not to mention a few titles from the XBox library, and XBL Arcade. 360 has plenty of good games.

I'm pretty much the most average customer you can get. Casual game and all that. I bought my 360 as an open item from eBay last year and I have had nothing but fun with it. Well, setting up lie initially was a PITA, but worth it in the end.

It's not a perfect system, but it's much more worthwhile than a PS3

[HashiriyaS14]

It's more along the lines of Halo HAS ruined the CURRENT generation. All these new poseur pseudo/casual/social gamers suck. I have no patience with them, and they are ruining the industry by lowering standards and making it okay for game companies to crap out multiplayer games with no content and tacked on singleplayer that's thinner than a bible page.

Amen Brother.

Thank goodness we still have stuff like Oblivion.

Luckily, Killzone 2 should have some real single-player substance. It's the #1 reason why I'll buy a PS3, with MGS4 a close 2nd.

[f1seb]

Why is everybody talking bout the PSN being a joke. It plays games online. What more do you need?

s13jus10 what can you tell me about the Wii. I was in the store a few months ago and I saw it playing the Zelda game. The graphics were just terrible, so many jagged edges, looked like a 2 year old cut him out of paper. Has that improved? Seems like an interesting system.

[R240sx]

external hd-dvd drive - $180.

Unless you have brain damage, the 360 you bought has one.

Ummm, i dont mean to nit-pick but the 360 does NOT have a built in hd-dvd drive. makes it kinda ironic with your comment of brain damage followed by an incredibly incorrect statement.

[redtop91]

s13jus10 what can you tell me about the Wii. I was in the store a few months ago and I saw it playing the Zelda game. The graphics were just terrible, so many jagged edges, looked like a 2 year old cut him out of paper. Has that improved? Seems like an interesting system.

The Wii is a great system IMO. The virtual console is awesome and the Opera browser is just as good as a PC based browser, I'm just not a huge fan of the games so far similar to the PS3 so I don't play mine as much as I'd like but it is a fun system to play with friends.

[s13jus10]

This is MS's second console. There will be teething problems, give them a break. At least they are willing to fix the problem, rather than say f*** off, your system is borked.

...give them a break?? wow. it's been out for 2 years, and every single version of the xbox360 still runs the ::huge:: risk of the RROD. willing to fix the problem? uhm..in case you didn't know, once your system goes out (and it will), you ship your system out to microsoft, and wait anywhere from 1-3 months only for them to ship you back a REFURBISHED (not fixed) box that STILL runs the red ring risk. I've had customers come in telling me how they're up to their 8th box. microsoft

xbox360 pro - $350 (halo $400, elite $450). wireless adapter - $100 (and no, not even the elite comes with it).

Not really needed to play. I don't know of all too many people who actually have a wireless network set up in their home. And only the higher end PS3s even come with built in Wi-Fi

no, it's not "really needed". but not everbody has their xbox sitting next to their modem or wants to run a long @ss ethernet cable throughout their house. I honestly don't know anyone that DOESN'T have wireless broadband in their house. where the heck do you live? and also, ALL PS3s have built in wi-fi except for the VERY FIRST 20g model that was only on shelves for like 5 months.

xboxlive - $50 a year. Oh, 50 bucks a freaking YEAR is so hard to pay, how the hell are you affording 63 dollar GAMES?! Besides, PS3's version of Live is a joke.

dude...I don't care if it was $10 a year. my argument is that PSN is FREE. and will ALWAYS BE FREE. just wait til PS Home comes out (youtube it).

rechargeable batteries - $20 for play&charge kit,

Best 20 bucks I ever spent. Plug it in every now and then, done. But still, not a must have or your console will die type of thing.

nothing is a "must have". but again. it comes with the ps3. why not.

external hd-dvd drive - $180.

Unless you have brain damage, the 360 you bought has one. So let's see, how much have I spent on my 360...about 400 for the console itself.....50 bucks for a new controller a couple months ago...and 20 for the play and charge kit..then a couple years of Live, but that's absurdly easy to pay for....well, that's pretty much it except for games. Huh.

wrong. have you ever even tried to play an hd movie in your box? you need the external drive. ps3 = built in blu-ray player. $399 value, built in. and in FACT, blu-ray is better than hd in every aspect. read up on it.

everything you just said totals up to $570. if that's "absurdly easy to pay for", why is it that the ps3 is sssooOoOoo expensive? and it's just going to keep adding up every year you have to pay for live. (that is, if your system lasts that long )

First of all, it's been out for two years exactly, to this day, champ. Secondly, Halo 3, Bioshock, Crackdown, gears (don't really even like this game that much, but it's alright), Forza, PGR, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed (PS3 got the poop version). Not to mention a few titles from the XBox library, and XBL Arcade. 360 has plenty of good games.

pgr??? assassins creed??? CRACKDOWN??? you can't be serious. xbox? that's.. halo 1&2. and fable......that's it. don't even get me STARTED on the PS2 library! xbl arcade hahhahahah. what, AAA titles like Fuzion Frenzy

It's not a perfect system, but it's much more worthwhile than a PS3

...

[redtop91]

...give them a break?? wow. it's been out for 2 years, and every single version of the xbox360 still runs the ::huge:: risk of the RROD. willing to fix the problem? uhm..in case you didn't know, once your system goes out (and it will), you ship your system out to microsoft, and wait anywhere from 1-3 months only for them to ship you back a REFURBISHED (not fixed) box that STILL runs the red ring risk. I've had customers come in telling me how they're up to their 8th box. microsoft

The failure rate of 360's is less than 30% so not every single 360 has a huge failure chance as you say. Stop exaggerating. Stick to providing actual facts. The only people I know that have had RROD are those who leave their 360's on for extended periods of time in poorly ventilated areas. For the record a coworker of mine has had to send his PS3 in recently for overheating. That isn't something console specific. As long as consoles use high powered processors that will be a problem.

no, it's not "really needed". but not everbody has their xbox sitting next to their modem or wants to run a long @ss ethernet cable throughout their house. I honestly don't know anyone that DOESN'T have wireless broadband in their house. where the heck do you live? and also, ALL PS3s have built in wi-fi except for the VERY FIRST 20g model that was only on shelves for like 5 months.

Anyone who really plays games competitively will use a wired connection. Wireless is a frugality, nothing more.

dude...I don't care if it was $10 a year. my argument is that PSN is FREE. and will ALWAYS BE FREE. just wait til PS Home comes out (youtube it).

Do you get to keep a persistant identity across all PSN games so your friends can find you all the time? This isn't cynicism, I really don't know. I doubt it but I don't know for certain. The quality of Xbox Live is far superior to PSN. No one can dispute that.

wrong. have you ever even tried to play an hd movie in your box? you need the external drive. ps3 = built in blu-ray player. $399 value, built in. and in FACT, blu-ray is better than hd in every aspect. read up on it.

I dunno where Loki pulled that one but I agree. Although Blu-Ray might be superior (Only in capacity) than HD-DVD, neither are being widely adopted at this point. As exemplified by last console cycle, best technology doesn't win the battle. Betamax was way superior than VHS, where'd it go?

pgr??? assassins creed??? CRACKDOWN??? you can't be serious. xbox? that's.. halo 1&2. and fable......that's it. don't even get me STARTED on the PS2 library! xbl arcade hahhahahah. what, AAA titles like Fuzion Frenzy

You clearly haven't played Xbox or 360 to a great extent. There are far more games than that. I know for a fact you've never used the Xbox Live Arcade because Fusion Frenzy isn't an Arcade title. Stick to your PS3 facts instead of acting like you know the 360 when it's obvious you don't.
Modified by redtop91 at 3:21 PM 11/22/2007

[Loki]

Ummm, i dont mean to nit-pick but the 360 does NOT have a built in hd-dvd drive. makes it kinda ironic with your comment of brain damage followed by an incredibly incorrect statement.

Yeah, for some reason I saw the HD and just thought of HDD. My Bad. My head has been real ****ty since my wreck.

Quote »nothing is a "must have". but again. it comes with the ps3. why not.[/quote]Because all those little things COST money. Which leads to Sony losing oodles of money with each console sold, IF they get sold.

Why is everybody talking bout the PSN being a joke. It plays games online. What more do you need?

Well, a Dodge Neon will get you from pint A to point B. Why do people buy Ferarris? As for those games I listed, I just listed the exclusives sitting on my desk in addition to a couple I know of. How many good games on PS3 right now? Resistance? And MGS eventually?

I REALLY don't ever want to see this thread again. You would argue that water doesn't contain hydrogen if I said it does. You're just like this guy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hIj...earch=

Take your PS3 and your ego and **** off.