thinking about ps3....

[s13jus10]

No. I can bash the hell out of the Best Buy there just like every other business on Hospitality if you want though. Especially that Chili's.

........................................................................................................ what???

I think I just got dumber reading this over and over again trying to comprehend if that sentence you just splurted out has ANY meaning.

[C-Kwik]

no, my point was that lots and lots and LOTS of people purchase the xbox360 NOT for it's many online assets, features, what have you.. lots of people buy it because their friend/cousin has halo and they also want to play it. when I'm at work, I'll be trying to sell a customer an xbox360 pro because it has the most economical value, hard drive/headset/component cables/yada yada. but then they say, "no, i'll just buy the arcade edition, I just want to play halo 3 with my friend." trust me, it's not just one or two people. there are a lot of em. believe it or not, but halo has most definitely become a more well known, common household name among kids. even more so than both metal gear or final fantasy.

and on the other hand, most people come in and have virtually no knowledge of the PS3. they ask "why is it so expensive??" and then I explain all of it's features and just why it's so "expensive". then they'll consider buying it. they don't just come in and buy it because so-and-so has it also, they buy it because of what it offers as a system.

Last I checked, most people buy a console to play the games they want to play. Technical aspects mean nothing if they don't care for the games that are on it. So people are buying the 360 to play Halo 3. Makes sense to me. You can't buy a PS3 to play it.

The demand that a consumer has for a specific product can outweigh any technical or value aspects you might throw at them. Ultimately, if all they need the console to do is play the game and they can spend some $70 less to do it, then why would they spend more? You can certainly educate them on it, but in the end, if the money savings is more important to the consumer, or the particular games they want are more important than the features on a console, then that is what they should get. Trying to upsell them on something they don't want makes you look bad more than anything else.

Frankly, if you look at the attach rates for the 360 and the PS3, the 360 is selling more games per console. That to me is a big indication that most 360 owners are buying it to play games. You probably do see more of the side effects of having such a popular game being recently released. But the PS3 has no game that has as big an impact nor do they have the install base to have as much of the rubbing off effect. At least in sheer numbers. So even if the percentage of bandwagoning were higher in the PS3, it would still appear to be lower than the 360.

[s13jus10]

AGAIN, my big point was that consumers buy the xbox360 with pretty much no knowledge of the system. they just want to play Halo. Even people that don't know SQUAT about Halo still want it - because everyone else has it.

Do you really think there would be the same number of consumers buying the xbox360 if EVERYONE knew that it had a 30% failure rate? No. not by far. they DON'T know about that. and that's exactly my point. They invest in the system with no knowledge of it's pros or cons. They just want a 360 to play Halo, not because it has a great story/graphics/characters/whatever. They want it because their friend/cousin/uncle/nephew has it.

=bandwagon.

[redtop91]

I think I just got dumber reading this over and over again trying to comprehend if that sentence you just splurted out has ANY meaning.

You work at Bestbuy, there is no way for you to be dumber than you already are. Sarcasm is the humor of the intelligent. I keep forgetting that you aren't intelligent and thus won't understand. My bad. I'll make everything crystal clear for you from now on.

They just want a 360 to play Halo, not because it has a great story/graphics/characters/whatever. They want it because their friend/cousin/uncle/nephew has it.

=bandwagon.

AGAIN you miss the point. People buy Xboxes because they have the games they want to play in a coherent community that they can congregate with friends on. Just because the 360 does this lightyears ahead of the PS3 doesn't make it bandwagon, it makes it better.

[s13jus10]

Dude, PLEASE grow up. enough with the name-calling. it's not effecting anyone. I think everyone on this thread has moved on from the nasty talk and are having reasonable arguments except yourself. and your sentence wasn't "sarcasm", it was hardly even a logical statement.

back to the topic, for the two years I've been in Gaming, not a single customer has purchased an xbox360 AFTER I tell them it has a 30% failure rate. you can make all the excuses you want about the 360 selling more than PS3, better games or whatever it is you want to say, but the truth is: most people buy the 360 because they don't know about it's cons.

[redtop91]

Dude, PLEASE grow up. enough with the name-calling. it's not effecting anyone. I think everyone on this thread has moved on from the nasty talk and are having reasonable arguments except yourself. and your sentence wasn't "sarcasm", it was hardly even a logical statement.

Hahaha whatever. You are just angry because you don't get simple statements and I call you on it. I will continue calling you on it until you bring your comprehension up to par.

you can make all the excuses you want about the 360 selling more than PS3, better games or whatever it is you want to say

Finally we are getting somewhere.

not a single customer has purchased an xbox360 AFTER I tell them it has a 30% failure rate.

Yep. You like most other PS3 fanboy's can only use the RROD when it comes down to it. You get defeated in every other argument and you finally just start blurting RROD. I called it way back here:

That's the only thing you ever produce RROD. You and the other PS3 fanboy jackasses.

Figures you'd come full circle and fall face first into that one. Way to validate my point.

not a single customer has purchased an xbox360 AFTER I tell them it has a 30% failure rate.

And I'm sure you conveniently omit the fact that every one of those xboxes in that 30% has been fixed, and will be fixed by Microsoft, free of cost, for a time period longer than the PS3. You are clearly a biased salesperson. Anyone who buys from you is a fool.

[ceniack]

[C-Kwik]

AGAIN, my big point was that consumers buy the xbox360 with pretty much no knowledge of the system. they just want to play Halo. Even people that don't know SQUAT about Halo still want it - because everyone else has it.

Do you really think there would be the same number of consumers buying the xbox360 if EVERYONE knew that it had a 30% failure rate? No. not by far. they DON'T know about that. and that's exactly my point. They invest in the system with no knowledge of it's pros or cons. They just want a 360 to play Halo, not because it has a great story/graphics/characters/whatever. They want it because their friend/cousin/uncle/nephew has it.

=bandwagon.

What does the average consumer truly know about anything technical that they buy? The fact is that they don't. But even still, these consumers you speak of know they want Halo 3. If that means they have to buy a system they no nothing about, then so be it. Who are you to judge? Just because you work at Best Buy and have some technical knowledge about the product? It's admirable that you try to wise them up, but in the end, you shouldn't be insulting their intelligence or their choices if they choose not to heed your advice. It's their money, they can do what they want with it.

Many, many people buy the 360 knowing full well that there are a higher number of failures than is usual for this type of a product. And others who are reluctant still really want the system, but have waited or are still waiting to confirm if newer versions are more reliable. This says alot about the reasons for wanting such a system. So in the end, the games they want to play may actually be more important to most people. Who'd have thunk?

I've still yet to see credible evidence that there is actually a 30% rate of RROD's plaguing the 360.

you can make all the excuses you want about the 360 selling more than PS3, better games or whatever it is you want to say, but the truth is: most people buy the 360 because they don't know about it's cons

Correction, most people buy the 360 because they know about the pros.

In any case, fine, I concede. You can use the term bandwagon anyway you see fit. I tried to explain it was a weak point of argument, but since it seems it is the only argument you have, you can hang onto it. The strength of the arguments presented speak for themselves.

[C-Kwik]

You work at Bestbuy, there is no way for you to be dumber than you already are. Sarcasm is the humor of the intelligent. I keep forgetting that you aren't intelligent and thus won't understand. My bad. I'll make everything crystal clear for you from now on.

Look. Argue the facts and this debate as much as you want. But no personal attacks. It adds nothing to your arguments. Seriously.

[MinisterofDOOM]

AGAIN, my big point was that consumers buy the xbox360 with pretty much no knowledge of the system. they just want to play Halo. Even people that don't know SQUAT about Halo still want it - because everyone else has it.

Do you really think there would be the same number of consumers buying the xbox360 if EVERYONE knew that it had a 30% failure rate? No. not by far. they DON'T know about that. and that's exactly my point. They invest in the system with no knowledge of it's pros or cons. They just want a 360 to play Halo, not because it has a great story/graphics/characters/whatever. They want it because their friend/cousin/uncle/nephew has it.

=bandwagon.

That's exactly the point, though.See, people don't know because they don't care. They really don't. All they want is a system to play the games that appeal to them. Most people couldn't care less if it has HDMI 1.3 or component output, how much storage capacity it has or what percent the failure rate is at. They don't know because they're not interested, and it doesn't matter to them. In the end, it comes down to the fact that they want game A, and console B is the one that plays that game. Doesn't matter if it has reliability issues, only supports 480i and monaural sound, they're going to buy it so they can play game A. Even if you inform them of the system's more cost-effective variants, the failure rates, etc. they're still going to want to take the least expensive route to going home and playing that game A right now.

Especially around the holidays, when parents are buying for "gimme gimme" kids, there's no concern spared for what might save a few bucks down the road or what might or might not break down the road. They know that they have a budget today, and that this console plays that game today. That's what they'll buy.

[OldmanPurdy]

This argument reminds me years ago when I was buying an N64 to play smash bros, the sales guy at EB kept trying to get me to buy the PS1 because of its superior library of Angsty teen saves world simulators, and its higher storage space, ect.....

Me: "wow that all sounds great so does it play smash bros?" Him: ".....well no...but it plays Final Fanta-" Me: "thats super just ring in the N64 then"

[MinisterofDOOM]

Much as I love smash bros, Mario, Kirby, and the other Nintendo staples, I never had half a desire to own a 64. Bad console, bad controller, bad media (games AND saves) and a terrible game library. Yeah, there were some winners, but not nearly enough. And a lot of the winners were hampered by that damned controler. Turok was awesome. Trying to use the 64 controller to play it was not.

[redtop91]

Perfect Dark, SSB, Goldeneye, and Diddy Kong racing were the only good games on the N64. That was really an odd console. I had one and loved it at the time but in retrospective thinking I'm like

[C-Kwik]

I owned 2 N64s. One went missing so I had got the second. I only owned Zelda: Ocarina of Time both times. I still have to finish the game in fact. I've gone through most of it three times. The first, I ran into some glitch that caused a key I needed to no longer be there. So I started over and as I got towards the end, I accidentally stepped on the cartridge and broke it. The console disappeared some months later. I picked up a used N64 years later along with a copy of Zelda. I am at the end, but I am missing a piece of heart. I refuse to finish without it. So this games been going to the past three years.

[OldmanPurdy]

Much as I love smash bros, Mario, Kirby, and the other Nintendo staples, I never had half a desire to own a 64. Bad console, bad controller, bad media (games AND saves) and a terrible game library. Yeah, there were some winners, but not nearly enough. And a lot of the winners were hampered by that damned controler. Turok was awesome. Trying to use the 64 controller to play it was not.

It is no doubt the weakest of the nintendo main consoles and had a funky controller but it did have alot of games i liked

-Mario64-Mario Kart 64 (I'm the miniority on that I know)-Super Smash Bros.-Star Fox 64-Ogre Battle 64 (Horrible name amazing game)-Goldeneye-Perfect dark-Zelda oot-Zelda Majoras Mask (Quite under-rated, dare I say i enjoyed this more than oot)

I had a playstation and it had more AAA titles no doubt but whenever I had my buddies over nobody wanted to watch me play MGS or FFVII we all played the 64 so I always had more fun with that (200+ hours in SSB multiplayer)

[MinisterofDOOM]

-Mario64-Mario Kart 64 (I'm the miniority on that I know)-Super Smash Bros.-Star Fox 64-Ogre Battle 64 (Horrible name amazing game)-Goldeneye-Perfect dark-Zelda oot-Zelda Majoras Mask (Quite under-rated, dare I say i enjoyed this more than oot)

I own most of those games as GCN ports or Wii VC games. I was not a fan of Star Fox, and Perfect Dark and Goldeneye had no appeal for me as a PC gamer (while 64 owners were fawning over Goldeneye I was playing Half Life and System Shock 2). The rest are definitely great games, though. Mario Kart 64 still provides endless fun.

The 64 Zeldas are the only ones I've never finished, and I had a hard time getting in to Majora's Mask. The opening was frustrating, dull and tedious. Errand running and NPC inquisition is not something I feel like doing in a Zelda game. There are better means of exposition...Still, I should finish it.

Ocarina is good but overrated in my opinion. I don't think it's as good as Link's Awakening or the venerable Link to the Past--3D or not.

[OldmanPurdy]

The 64 Zeldas are the only ones I've never finished, and I had a hard time getting in to Majora's Mask. The opening was frustrating, dull and tedious. Errand running and NPC inquisition is not something I feel like doing in a Zelda game. There are better means of exposition...Still, I should finish it.

Ocarina is good but overrated in my opinion. I don't think it's as good as Link's Awakening or the venerable Link to the Past--3D or not.

Ocarina is overratted, many gaming sites/mags call it the 1# game ever and while it is possibly my favorite Zelda game and possibly the best N64 game it is not the 1# game over every platform. I'm not sure how far you got in MM but I would really reccomend getting back into it, the later dungeons are some of the hardest in recent memory and the story really is a cool departure from the Ganon style games.

[Morph]

I have both 360 and ps3 but i would have to go with ps3. I haven't turned on the 360 much( still waiting on the box to send it back in, DVD drive scratches my disks and ****er lags like no tomorrow. ) My ps3 on the other hand has had no issues at all. Only problem i had was with the Motorola H350 head set not working, but that was solved with a Jabra headset. I've been playing cod 4 and UT 3 alot, both games kick ***. Keyboard and mouse are sweet, some reviewers are saying that the mouse is laggy but i haven't noticed.

Looking towards 08 only games I'm looking forward to are on the PS3. KZ2, Little Big Planet, Haze, GT, Mgs4 etc etc. 360 has some titles coming out but im guessing that once i get the m effer back again all I'll be playing in 08 is some halo 3.

[Jiggyfry]

Im on the 360 bandwagon.

The games are good too.

[bmike818]

AGAIN, my big point was that consumers buy the xbox360 with pretty much no knowledge of the system. they just want to play Halo. Even people that don't know SQUAT about Halo still want it - because everyone else has it.

Do you really think there would be the same number of consumers buying the xbox360 if EVERYONE knew that it had a 30% failure rate? No. not by far. they DON'T know about that. and that's exactly my point. They invest in the system with no knowledge of it's pros or cons. They just want a 360 to play Halo, not because it has a great story/graphics/characters/whatever. They want it because their friend/cousin/uncle/nephew has it.

=bandwagon.

I bought the 360 knowing it had less power than the PS3...so? I bought one with no HDMI so..... did you know most PS3 owners are using HDMI 1.1 cables....do you even know the difference with HDM 1.3? cuz I do

[HashiriyaS14]

In reference to some of the comments about the N64:

I will take this opportunity to say that there has NEVER been a 3D Mario platformer not worth the purchase price of both itself and the system it came on.

That's right, I'd have bought an N64 for SM64 even if no other games were ever released. I'd have done the same with Sunshine on GCN and Galaxy on Wii.

The N64 had an incredible game library...of FIRST PARTY NINTENDO GAMES. You should be buying Nintendo systems to play first party Nintendo games.

The fact that there is any third party software on a Nintendo system is just a bonus. It's gravy...you don't need it.

~fin~

[xekushnr]

In reference to some of the comments about the N64:

I will take this opportunity to say that there has NEVER been a 3D Mario platformer not worth the purchase price of both itself and the system it came on.

That's right, I'd have bought an N64 for SM64 even if no other games were ever released. I'd have done the same with Sunshine on GCN and Galaxy on Wii.

The N64 had an incredible game library...of FIRST PARTY NINTENDO GAMES. You should be buying Nintendo systems to play first party Nintendo games.

The fact that there is any third party software on a Nintendo system is just a bonus. It's gravy...you don't need it.

~fin~

BANDWAGONER LOLOLOL

I think the games are good, I wouldnt buy a system just for them though. Actually, the only time I bought a system to play one game was the Playstation for Final Fantasy VII in '97. Turned out the PSX rocked.

[OldmanPurdy]

In reference to some of the comments about the N64:

I will take this opportunity to say that there has NEVER been a 3D Mario platformer not worth the purchase price of both itself and the system it came on.

That's right, I'd have bought an N64 for SM64 even if no other games were ever released. I'd have done the same with Sunshine on GCN and Galaxy on Wii.

The N64 had an incredible game library...of FIRST PARTY NINTENDO GAMES. You should be buying Nintendo systems to play first party Nintendo games.

The fact that there is any third party software on a Nintendo system is just a bonus. It's gravy...you don't need it.

~fin~

I really dug Mario Sunshine and i'm glad to see at least one other person who did too, It seeems recently people bash Nintendo games when they try to do something different but if they make more of the same they bash it too?

[HashiriyaS14]

BANDWAGONER LOLOLOL

I think the games are good, I wouldnt buy a system just for them though. Actually, the only time I bought a system to play one game was the Playstation for Final Fantasy VII in '97. Turned out the PSX rocked.

How the hell am I a "bandwagoner"? What bandwagon have I jumped on here?

Fanboy? Yes, maybe. Bandwagoner? Not so much.

I just still primarily game for platformers and JRPG's.

[xekushnr]

How the hell am I a "bandwagoner"? What bandwagon have I jumped on here?

Fanboy? Yes, maybe. Bandwagoner? Not so much.

I just still primarily game for platformers and JRPG's.

Haha, it was a joke Hash. Thats why I put some LOL's after. Some people were calling EVERYONE bandwagoners so I figured I would uh...jump on the bandwagon.

[HashiriyaS14]

Haha, it was a joke Hash. Thats why I put some LOL's after. Some people were calling EVERYONE bandwagoners so I figured I would uh...jump on the bandwagon.

lol. I haven't had my coffee yet

[xekushnr]

lol. I haven't had my coffee yet

Understood. For the record the SMB games were the best games on the NES, SMW was awesome on SNES, and even though a lot of people dont seem to like it, I loved SM64. I need to try the new one, it looks fun. I think it would be weird playing a Mario game on a wand though. Give me a real controller.

[x240xdrifter]

I just got my PS3 over the holidays, and I have loved it ever since, every penny was well spent. The games are great, I love F1 champ and resistance. The network is not bad at all, I love the interface, and just overall its great, yes I am a PS3 fanboy but xbox is cool too, no doubt, halo and forza, great games, I am just a diehard Sony fan, so I had to get a ps3. I got the 40gb too, to save some cash, I already had a ps2 that works fine, so ya. Plus I love having a psp that works with the PS3.

[R240sx]

Congratz x240.

Some other major news not gaming related but related to the ps3, today warner bro's announces Blu-ray exclusivity giving the BDA 70% controll of hollywood and implying the end of HD-DVD meaning the end of the hi-def format war. now how could this relate to the ps3? well since the ps3 is one of the cheapest players out on the market, it could potentially have the same effect that dvd did on the ps2. of coarse we wont be able to tell probably untill late 2008 early 09 how big of an impact it will have but it does give that extra nudge to people that were on the fence on both console wars and format wars.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/p...N.htm

[s13jus10]

Congratz x240.

Some other major news not gaming related but related to the ps3, today warner bro's announces Blu-ray exclusivity giving the BDA 70% controll of hollywood and implying the end of HD-DVD meaning the end of the hi-def format war. now how could this relate to the ps3? well since the ps3 is one of the cheapest players out on the market, it could potentially have the same effect that dvd did on the ps2. of coarse we wont be able to tell probably untill late 2008 early 09 how big of an impact it will have but it does give that extra nudge to people that were on the fence on both console wars and format wars.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/p...N.htm

this is huge news and deserves a free bump. anyone on the fence about which format is better needs to know this.