The worst car in the world is... *DRUMROLL!*

[Jesda]

The X-type was pretty good at being a very nice European Ford.

Just not so great at being an authentic Jaguar.

[Bubba1]

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XJRs aren't rare yet because a decent number were sold worldwide. Meanwhile, you think the Dodge Magnum has more collectibility?


The W140 was the world's most overengineered cost-means-nothing luxury sedan. It will gain the coveted status of the W126 in due time.

Yep, I'm confident the Magnum will become collectible. An old fashioned muscle Car station wagon (unusual) in a country obsessed with muscle cars and one of the last hurrahs for the recent big hp V8 performance rennaissance. We're not talking Bugatti Royale type of collectible, but more like on par with an El Camino.

As far as the big S class sedan from the 90's (W140) , I agree it was the one of most overengineered luxury cars ever, but I don't think that is necessarily a good thing or why it should be collectibe. If you recall, that excessive technology killed its reliability, making them dreadful cars to own post warranty. And the inflated list price because of all the technological nonsense (like 20+ electric motors for just the drivers seat), resulted in one of the fastwst depreciating cars in the market at the time. Not exactly a trait for collectibility. You can buy a pristinee one very cheaply now because they were technological nightmares. MB built twice(?) as many W126's as W140's but the W126's were better-built, less complex, and more reliable. I suspect they will become collectible before the W140 if either become collectible at all. Personally, aside from the SLR, the 190 Cosworth, and perhaps the C63 AMG Black, I cant think of any recent era Mercedes being collectible for quite some time.

[Jesda]

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XJRs aren't rare yet because a decent number were sold worldwide. Meanwhile, you think the Dodge Magnum has more collectibility?


The W140 was the world's most overengineered cost-means-nothing luxury sedan. It will gain the coveted status of the W126 in due time.

Yep, I'm confident the Magnum will become collectible. An old fashioned muscle Car station wagon (unusual) in a country obsessed with muscle cars and one of the last hurrahs for the recent big hp V8 performance rennaissance. We're not talking Bugatti Royale type of collectible, but more like on par with an El Camino.

As far as the big S class sedan from the 90's (W140) , I agree it was the one of most overengineered luxury cars ever, but I don't think that is necessarily a good thing or why it should be collectibe. If you recall, that excessive technology killed its reliability, making them dreadful cars to own post warranty. And the inflated list price because of all the technological nonsense (like 20+ electric motors for just the drivers seat), resulted in one of the fastwst depreciating cars in the market at the time. Not exactly a trait for collectibility. You can buy a pristinee one very cheaply now because they were technological nightmares. MB built twice(?) as many W126's as W140's but the W126's were better-built, less complex, and more reliable. I suspect they will become collectible before the W140 if either become collectible at all. Personally, aside from the SLR, the 190 Cosworth, and perhaps the C63 AMG Black, I cant think of any recent era Mercedes being collectible for quite some time.

The 500E and every AMG-powered Mercedes that ever rolled down the line will be and is sought after.

The 600 Pullman was nearly (if not more) complex and is the world's most desirable luxury limousine, but only the most daring will take it on. Complexity does -not- affect the collectibility of a luxury car. To the contrary, it weeds out casual buyers from serious restorers. MB's heritage center ensures that every vehicle that ever rolled down the line can be fully refreshed for those willing to pay the price, and many are.

[Jesda]

The current Mopars that I believe will become collectible are the SRT8 Magnum, Challenger, and 300. Viper goes without saying. I think the Crossfire *could* be sought after, but ONLY the SRT6 roadster. None of the Crossfire coupes will ever have any value.

I'm not sure about the SRT10 RAM. It falls under other factory muscle trucks like the GMT400 Chevy 454 SS and Ford Lightning.

[Bubba1]

I agree with about the old limited production 600 Pullmans (ie "de grosser mercedes") being collectible and coveted. But not the modern day 600's. I don't think we'll be around long enough to see W140's become collectible. Plus I think that MB's good heritage only applies to their older cars. It's not a permanent standard and does not apply to every model. For example you could safely say there are collectible cadillacs, but that does mean the Cimarron or Catera are collectible.

And, to a serious restorer, unless it's some sentimental owner paying them to restore a car for a lot more than what they'll be worth (and there are folks like that), most high end restorers will compare the overall cost of restoration to what it's worth when completed before jumping in. And complexity absolutely plays a factor, which is why a fully depreciated S-Class technological terror from the 90's is not worth restoration. Sorry, they certainly warrant appreciation for what they are, but they likely will not become collectible anytime soon, if at all.

[Jesda]

I agree with about the old limited production 600 Pullmans (ie "de grosser mercedes") being collectible and coveted. But not the modern day 600's. I don't think we'll be around long enough to see W140's become collectible.

Well, some of us will be around by then... :P

[Bubba1]

Well, some of us will be around by then... :P

And those that will be around will be using the cupholders for drool cups, plus feel the warmth of the heated seats through their Depends. Of course they won't be entirely sure if the warmth was from the seats or naturally produced..

[Jesda]

[gwoods]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVDKztQ- ... ure=relmfu

one of the best top gears De grosser vs Corniche