The whole CA forum might as well be 'READ-ONLY'

[boost_boy]

i have been if you will have noticed, i have only started one thread in here, lol, and that was asking for your e-mail or for you to e-mail me so i could ask you a couple questions (couldn't find it on your profile)

but i still stand by my affirmation that the search function is kind of lacking in the user friendlyness department since the switch to zero forums, also, some of the links in the sticky's are dead.

As for the liks in the stickies being dead, I wouldn't really know because I haven't added anything to them in a while because I felt the most important stuff was already there. As for contacting me: [email protected]. I know searching takes a while, but if one would really take the time to browse, the remaining information in the archiuves would still be fulfilling to the average individual. If one is not willing to sacrifice time, then one is not too serious about evolving their projects.

Dee

[PalmerWMD]

Wow this thread has had some energy.

First off, I like to make the point ( so there is no misunderstanding from my first post) that the CA18 forum Moderators are among the most competent you can find anywhere..!And I value them a LOT as does the entire Nico team.

And their judgement how their forum needs to be run is very important to me

dee also made a point about the original poster having posted FS items here instead of classifieds?

Those threads can and will be locked or deleted w/o notice at staffs discretion.

...

In any case we all recognize the incrdible resource this forum is and I am thankful to Moderators and Members for making it so.

Just so this thread wont keep going too long and poison the atmophere here,..... I will lock it in a day or so, as internet arguements tends to get more and more aggressive the longer they go on.

I dont want this to distract from our forum and also I am not sure if its such a good idea to have a thread basically focussing on questioning Mods in the open fourm.

thats not really the user /Moderator relationship.

Instead I suggest that maybe concerned members can email Mods and if they get a lot of emails of a certain type, I am sure they will be open to amending policies as needed.

Fred..

[iliketocrash]

yeah...
Modified by iliketocrash at 1:05 PM 7/27/2005

[AZhitman]

I'm going to touch on a few topics here....

c-rad: The move from VB to ZF was a simple choice to make - had nothing to do with money, as ZF costs WAY more than VB. Had to do with security (any 12-year-old can hack and bring down a VB site), functionality (features you haven't even noticed and probably take for granted) and expandability (no site our size can use VB, it's just not feasible - the 2 largest car forums on the web use ZF, as a matter of fact).

Organization for a seperate site for CA info is fine and dandy. However, I won't allow NICO to be a launch pad for it. Period. Not only is it a waste of resources, but you'd be using our space to organize something that will draw people away, and that's simply not acceptable.

If you have the energy and the desire, put all that information together, and I'll give you unlimited space and resources to post it up. You won't have to pay for hosting, or maintenance, and you'll have 100% up-time, which is something few sites can boast. There's your challenge. And I guarantee it'll be better than "vfaq" or whatever it is.

As regards the "search" concerns, I see several issues. Some of these we (the NICO team) are actively working on, some are simply the result of laziness or an unwillingness to delve deeper and use the search function to its fullest capacities. Misspellings, unrelated search terms, calling a part by the wrong name, all affect search results.

We are going to be discussing the moderation of this forum in the next week or so (at the convenience of the mods). However, until that time, I ask that you all cut each other some slack.

We're not seeing this kind of discussion in any of the other engine forums, so it leads me to believe that there's more at hand than meets the eye...

Small motor, big heart.

I appreciate the fact that you guys care enough about YOUR forum to take the time to comment on how it's being run.

For now, let's put all drama aside and work on it - it's time for solutions.

[zero_gripS13]

well u know, everyones giving their opinion, so ill give mine, only mine is from a more noob approach.i got interested in the ca and this happends to be one of the only few sites that have a ca specific section. so i browsed around and looked to some post that interestewd me or i felt id deal with, and got a basic idea of the ca18.. then i posted a few post, which got locked, one was asking about advice on things that should be replaced on the ca before droping it in (i asked because i do not know all of the components of the ca18 and could only know to replace main things, so i wanted people with expeirence with the motor to be like "well this goes out so it be a good idea to go ahead and change thisd" and etc..basically that had good potential to be usefull to more noobs not knowing what are key things to be replaced. im not here to complain about my thead getting locked, but more to make known that the type of responces i got were seach, read the stickes and were not gona spoon feed u... yet my querstion was a question of expeirence with the motor, and honestly if the people who responded had enough interest or effort to read a post that had been asked before or whatever and write some type of flame or "seach" type repsonds, they could of just wrote a few sentences giving their expeirence with the motor...i mean you guys go into threads and write these huge paragraphs saying to seach and do this and it take like 10mins to write em, when u could of tasken 20secs to list a lil helpfull info..honestly i know u guys get tired of noob questions, but so do i, just cuz im a noob to this motor doesnt mean im a noob to everyhting..and when a noob comes and ask me a question, no matter how amny times ive answered it, i tend to answer it again, because i like to be HELPFUL and share what lil knowledge i can

im not trying to badmouth anyone, im trying to let u guys what ive noticed. since i stoped posting, since itll just get flamed or closed anyways. (is this the reputation u want? Cuz theres 2 that have mentioned they dont want to post anyhting because itll get closed.)i dont really know how u could make it better, but i think u guys just need to be friendlier...

[boost_boy]

in light of the above post i'm guessing this will soon be deleted.

no matter how hard i try you always seem to take offense to everything i say. i wasn't telling anyone to quit, i was just simply pointing out that this isn't anything to get worked up about. i don't know why you think i'm trying to single you out. but if i must then i'm sure i'm not alone when i say you have some anger issues. why is it you feel the need to attack people instead of the issue at hand? is it really that hard to try and solve something without singling people out? you think by pointing people out you're some how making examples of them? And thanks for giving me the idea about making an alt site because i believe i mentioned something about making a site similar to vfaq.com. unless of course you meant make and alt board in which case would be rediculous. and yes, making a site like vfaq.com would be spoon feeding people info but at least it would help cut down on topics being brought up here that have already been beat to death. And yes, it does work i've seen it. so why doesn't someone moderate you? because you haven't contributed much usefull information to this thread and you're also doing a good job of attacking other members, although you haven't mentioned specific names as if it makes a difference. and no i don't believe i'm above you or anyone else.

I assumed I've touched a nerve and that's a good thing. Dealing with issues and people directly prevents bad kharma from being spread throughout the community. You said what you wanted to say here and so have I, you jumped in on this thread because somewhere along the way you felt it affected you. Of all the other members in this forum, that in my opinion are very competent and follow the rules, only a few you chose to chime in on this topic and that's cool. But you subject yourself to scrutiny when you don't talk facts and you will be dealt with directly via a response. The original poster said his piece and have left it alone. You are the only member that constantly squabbling back and forth with me and the sad part is Admins, this is not the first time this member has been through this with me.

I have my boundaries and I exercise them as I see need. Don't you worry about who's moderating me, my immediate responsibilities are to moderate you and the members of this forum. You need to worry about the topic at hand and stop worrying about who's overseeing what I do. Trust me, those appointed over myself and the moderation team are doing their job for your information; unless you see otherwise. Look at the title of the people who've posted on this thread. If you are really reading like we suggest you all do, you will see who sees what you see. So if I'm out of line, it would be addressed. So my advice to you like I told you before, if you want to discuss this with me, my email address is posted in this thread. Other than that, it's not an immediate concern of yours who moderates me and therefore you shouldn't get too worked-up over it. I can definitely tell you're not reading too good on this thread for the answer to your questions is right in your face. And lastly, this is a hobby for me, but it is one that I take pride in doing. If this stuff don't pertain to you or you don't like the direction it's going, the best thing for you to do is just not post on this topic anymore and for you, it will all go away. Unfortunately for me, I have to chime in when called upon. You don't have to like me to understand where I'm coming from. I know my place around here and I don't need you to try point it out. And also, I'm one of the happiest people in the world for numerous reasons and angry is definitely not me.

Dee

[AZhitman]

zero_grip S13, thanks for sharing that.

Guys, this is CRITICAL.

Q45 forum is a perfect example. I can GUARANTEE you that the VH45DE (and the car it comes in) is 20x more complex than a CA-powered silvia... And the Q guys get some really stupid questions.

Basically, I have asked them to operate under the following guidelines: If you take the time to reply, make it useful to the person. If you can't do that, just read the post and move on.

Nothing wrong with directing them to search, but adding a link, encouraging them in their efforts, or answering PART of their question is better than nothing at all.

I will simply NOT have new people (like the gentleman above) discouraged by our experts. There must be a middle-ground.

[boost_boy]

well u know, everyones giving their opinion, so ill give mine, only mine is from a more noob approach.i got interested in the ca and this happends to be one of the only few sites that have a ca specific section. so i browsed around and looked to some post that interestewd me or i felt id deal with, and got a basic idea of the ca18.. then i posted a few post, which got locked, one was asking about advice on things that should be replaced on the ca before droping it in (i asked because i do not know all of the components of the ca18 and could only know to replace main things, so i wanted people with expeirence with the motor to be like "well this goes out so it be a good idea to go ahead and change thisd" and etc..basically that had good potential to be usefull to more noobs not knowing what are key things to be replaced. im not here to complain about my thead getting locked, but more to make known that the type of responces i got were seach, read the stickes and were not gona spoon feed u... yet my querstion was a question of expeirence with the motor, and honestly if the people who responded had enough interest or effort to read a post that had been asked before or whatever and write some type of flame or "seach" type repsonds, they could of just wrote a few sentences giving their expeirence with the motor...i mean you guys go into threads and write these huge paragraphs saying to seach and do this and it take like 10mins to write em, when u could of tasken 20secs to list a lil helpfull info..honestly i know u guys get tired of noob questions, but so do i, just cuz im a noob to this motor doesnt mean im a noob to everyhting..and when a noob comes and ask me a question, no matter how amny times ive answered it, i tend to answer it again, because i like to be HELPFUL and share what lil knowledge i can

im not trying to badmouth anyone, im trying to let u guys what ive noticed. since i stoped posting, since itll just get flamed or closed anyways. (is this the reputation u want? Cuz theres 2 that have mentioned they dont want to post anyhting because itll get closed.)i dont really know how u could make it better, but i think u guys just need to be friendlier...

When you say friendlier, what you might perceive as being unfriendly, is the standard practice of any forums members. It's not that they are trying to be mean to you, but one would have to ask, did you searchg high and low for the information you seek. And because you are new to this engine, the questions you have will definitely be the more easier to pick-up in the archives by searching. I don't expect you ask how can you build a high hp CA when you know nothing about the motor itself. It's just not logical.

No one here is intentionallly being mean, but as with any forum, you are expected to do your own leg work before you introduce yourself, your demeanor, and then proceed with a thread of questioning. Your threads got locked because they were questions that you could've been answered without disturbing the main body of the forum. One of your fellow members suggest we delete them instead of locking them. Just think of the CHAOS that's going to cause. Where did my thread go? Why was my thread deleted? Do you see where I'm going with this?

Dee

[boost_boy]

zero_grip S13, thanks for sharing that.

Guys, this is CRITICAL.

Q45 forum is a perfect example. I can GUARANTEE you that the VH45DE (and the car it comes in) is 20x more complex than a CA-powered silvia... And the Q guys get some really stupid questions.

Basically, I have asked them to operate under the following guidelines: If you take the time to reply, make it useful to the person. If you can't do that, just read the post and move on.

Nothing wrong with directing them to search, but adding a link, encouraging them in their efforts, or answering PART of their question is better than nothing at all.

I will simply NOT have new people (like the gentleman above) discouraged by our experts. There must be a middle-ground.

Agreed! I've seen members put in title of their posts "Searched" and then explains their issues in the main body of their threads. When I see this, I'm much more apt to jump in and render a helping hand. But if we can take that same question and run a quick query on it and find the answer to which they seek, one would have to ask, did you really search. There's a bunch of grey areas on this matter and we'll try and address them as best as possible, but you have to remember, it seems to only be a few people that are just probably discouraged because their attempts to repair their issues using the posted techniques have failed, so now they want another answer. I agree, there's a better way to handle this, but they have to understand too that the this is a get in where you fit in environment. We are constantly gaining new members everyday and don't want them to instantaneously assume that this is an elementary forum because so many basic questions have been answered just recently, which would cause them to probably ask the same questions too.

Dee

[zero_gripS13]

one question, is taking the time to find a site with expeirence ca builders and asking them to share their knowledge is that not search for the information..and honestly there might of been one or 2 post that i dont care that got closed, because i was giving a good explination, and thats fine. i just think ur asking too much.. i like to look at forums as a place to talk to expeirenced and friendly people who have the same interest as me, and discuss and help each other out. not flame and close their threads.

but in the most part i agree with AZhitman.. and what he mentioned.

[boost_boy]

one question, is taking the time to find a site with expeirence ca builders and asking them to share their knowledge is that not search for the information..and honestly there might of been one or 2 post that i dont care that got closed, because i was giving a good explination, and thats fine. i just think ur asking too much.. i like to look at forums as a place to talk to expeirenced and friendly people who have the same interest as me, and discuss and help each other out. not flame and close their threads.

but in the most part i agree with AZhitman.. and what he mentioned.

Not all discussions get locked, not all questions will be answered in the manner that you would like; for it would be called spoon feeding. You have to crawl before you can walk and that theory applies here as well. I'll give you a good case and point and you be the judge.

I have a 1995 Hyundai Elantra and I wanted to turbocharge it using one of the mitsubishi 4G variants. Knowing that this swap is way more rarer than an a CA18DET into a USDM 240sx, I knew I was basically on my own. I searched through google, joined mitsubishi forums, and basically had to take a backseat from what I was used to on the CA forum. I may know nissan engines and wiring codes, but screwing with mitsubishi and hyundai stuff was an even tougher battle. I searched till I was blue in the face and the only info I found was a few pics of a guy in Australia that used the eclipse's wiring harness and a guy in canada that used the eclipse's harness as well.

Since both of these guys used the 4G63T which is a 2.0litre and I wanted to use the 4G61T with is a 1.6litre, I saw some issues. I had to resort bits and pieces of information the 1990 mitsubishi eclipse's ecu because it's the only one that can drive the Hyundai's tach without adding a tach adapter. The biggest problem was the fact that I wanted to keep the Elantra's engine harness and modify it to be used with the eclipse's ecu and turbo MAF, and still operate the 4g61T engine.

To make a long story, the little bit of reading paid off of course with a little knowledge of wiring and reading diagrams. The car now sports the eclipse SMIC, the eclipse's ecu, mafs, injector resistor, and 450cc injectors. Despite of what the DSM community says, I vent my bltz supersound BOV to the atmosphere and the car drives just fine with A/D and P/S and no check engine light.

Reading is fundamental. If you invest some quality time in reading up on something you really want, you will be amazed at what can be accomplished. And BTW, I didn't ask any questions to anyone.

Dee

[c-rad]

Just wanted to point out, that the vfaq.com site he is talking about isn't just to spoon feed information. It gives info on specific installs guided with pics and tips. For example, someone might go there because they want a detailed guide with pics on how to replace their clutch, or swap out their turbo. Just stuff like that....

[boost_boy]

Just wanted to point out, that the vfaq.com site he is talking about isn't just to spoon feed information. It gives info on specific installs guided with pics and tips. For example, someone might go there because they want a detailed guide with pics on how to replace their clutch, or swap out their turbo. Just stuff like that....

If you guys want to tackle such a feat, go for and present it to us. However you guys want this to be, go for it. But the main forum won't be a ground for newbies to run rampant with your "Where are the spark plug wires" questions. If you want to get into detail in that capacity, you start it and you'll be expected to finish it. It sounds good verbally and I personally give you the okay assemilate the information contained within, especially maintenance related stuff. We'll help when needed.

Dee

[AZhitman]

OK, I'm gonna wrap this one up, as we've come to some conclusions.

Someone is currently assembling an FAQ (even more detailed) which will be an easy reference (perhaps required readng) for all CA noobs. I don't know who the person is who emailed me, your email isn't the same as the one on this site...

The CA mods will try to be a bit more understanding (Dee, there's NO way I'd have gone through all that nonsense with the Hyundai - props to you for doing it, but some folks don't function that way) with questions, and we'll help out when / where we can.

Even though the CA is a weird little motor (), let's try not to get too wrapped up in how different it is... There are lots of "obscure" Nissan powerplants, and our job is to provide accurate and detailed information to people in need, regardless of HOW they ask or how ill-prepared they are.

Back to your regularly-scheduled programming....

[boost_boy]

I paid dearly for that silly little Hyundai project with my own blood, sweat and the awesome question "What in the hell did I get myself into" . I don't expect people to go above and beyond as I do because I actually think I over-do it, but that's just me. Points have been made and I agree, it's time to press on with other business. I'll lock this for now and if upper echelon wants to add anything, you know what to do.

Dee