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Why does it seem like every SINGLE thread gets locked on here? 99% of every question about this motor has been answered, so at this point, why isn't the whole forum just locked down? All that's left is casual discussion at this point. And for that, we may as well post in the other sections. A quick glance at the list of the threads in this forum, there are 14 locked threads. More than half of those were just discussions which if someone searched for later on, could not add to them. IMHO, I think a little more discretion needs to be used when determining what should be locked and what shouldn't. None of the other engine specific forums seem to have this problem... I don't think we should either. I'm not trying to tell anyone how to do their job, but this is really the only active CA discussion board in the US and its a little intimidating making a post wondering whether its going to get shut down or not because someone may have asked a similar question 3 years ago. Just my $0.000343238


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of course there are always gonna be new people asking dumb questions and yes everything has been answered but that's no reason to flame the person or lock the thread. i've noticed a number of times someone asking a simple question and then they're told to search and when they search and come up with some info that they need clarified they just end up making another thread to ask for clarification because the original was locked. in my opinion the only threads that should be locked are offensive ones and ca18det vs. threads. i understand that the mods are doing their best and i'm not trying to tell anyone how to do their job but i think this thread could be useful as long as it doesn't get out of control which it probably will. besides, like c-rad mentioned, what else is there to talk about if everything has been answered already?

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This place isnt a library and it shouldnt be.

I am sure the CA fourm Mods had reason.

If members feel the need to open old threads up please email your Mods..

They may just reopen them..

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its not about making it better for the mods. its about making it better for the members. mods aren't even real people anyway. psh

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We will be discussing this issue, guys.

Let's keep the suggestions coming, we DO read them and DO take them seriously.

This is YOUR forum.

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i agree almost everypost ends up getting locked because it was delt before in the past. who really cares that a topic was delt with in a 3 or 4 year old post thats old information and perhaps new things have be discovered about that topic since

so i think we sould stop locking post because it was delt with before because this isn't a libray its a forum. So give us the freedom to use this forum as it should be used. which is to ask questions and comunicate with felow ca owners.

thats all.

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This current trend was intiated by Dee and myself. Dee contacted the other CA moderators regarding his concern about the direction that the CA forum was going. He felt like it had turned into a place where all of the same old questions were always being asked and answered and that no new information was being contributed. It was as if the CA section had become the "CA MAINTENCE" section and had become stagnant. We were kind of hoping that by pushing people to search for the simple answers we would stimulate the forum into becoming more of an interesting place to visit. As it sit's now (and it still really hasn't changed at all) very little performance oriented posts are made. They all seem to be in regards to how to fix something, or how to install something, ect. I see now that perhapse our method of trying to prod the forum in another direction was unsuccessful. I have every intention of going back to my previous rules of moderation, which basically consisted of only stepping in when there was conflict or spreading of mis-information.

I would like to personally apologize to any of the forum members who have felt insulted or have had a problem with what we were doing. And I would also like to thank you for the input regarding the direction the forum was taking. I promise that I only had the best of intentions in mind and meant no harm. I would guess that Dee feels the same way. This is your forum, and I'm working for you. I'm sincerly sorry that this didn't work out as planned. If you have any personal concerns, please feel free to contact me personally via my email address HERE

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Keep in mind too guys the mods here maintain this forum without pay, it is purely voluntary contributions on their part. So go easy on them they do this cause they want to ans as ryan said , he was trying to keep the forum fresh.

IMO when you clutter a forum with the same ole same ole the juicier stuff becomes harder to find in searches as the return results are huge do to similar phrasing of things that pop up in a the repetitive threads. If that makes sence.

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Just to add my 2 cents, this is an awesome forum. I totally agree with the mods in trying to push the boundaries of performance oriented topics. But, personally, I use this forum as a place to help me find answers to simple questions. Now, I've been turning wrenches for many years, and I do it for a living, and I have found that the fastest way to get a job done is to research it to its fullest before I tackle the job. But its very hard to research a topic when the only threads that are available are old, and the majority contain links to other threads that are dead. I've noticed that in the last few months, I have almost completely givin up on the idea of using this forum for info. It takes too long, and there still isnt enough basic info on basic topics. Just ask yourselves, what are the majority of problems with vehicles in general? Its stupid little stuff that we look at over and over and cant come up with a solution. REAL mechanicing involves questions, and answers to the most basic of problems, all the way to the most involved situations. It takes a dedicated group of people, like the CA crowd, to come together and really make something of this forum. Just take this when you walk away... if someone(a newb) asks a dumb question, just remind them to search first and THEN, if they cant find the info they are looking for, help them. Pushing the edge of performance is everybodys ultimate goal, but it cant be obtained without people understanding the basics.Mods, thanks for the input and understand that there actually are people out there like me who understand why you do what you do. Keep up the good work.And for everyone else, just work together to make something great outta this forum.

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I have printed this post and hung it in front of my desk.

We could all use a reminder like that from time to time.

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jdmDAvey wrote:Just to add my 2 cents, this is an awesome forum. I totally agree with the mods in trying to push the boundaries of performance oriented topics. But, personally, I use this forum as a place to help me find answers to simple questions. Now, I've been turning wrenches for many years, and I do it for a living, and I have found that the fastest way to get a job done is to research it to its fullest before I tackle the job. But its very hard to research a topic when the only threads that are available are old, and the majority contain links to other threads that are dead. I've noticed that in the last few months, I have almost completely givin up on the idea of using this forum for info. It takes too long, and there still isnt enough basic info on basic topics. Just ask yourselves, what are the majority of problems with vehicles in general? Its stupid little stuff that we look at over and over and cant come up with a solution. REAL mechanicing involves questions, and answers to the most basic of problems, all the way to the most involved situations. It takes a dedicated group of people, like the CA crowd, to come together and really make something of this forum. Just take this when you walk away... if someone(a newb) asks a dumb question, just remind them to search first and THEN, if they cant find the info they are looking for, help them. Pushing the edge of performance is everybodys ultimate goal, but it cant be obtained without people understanding the basics.Mods, thanks for the input and understand that there actually are people out there like me who understand why you do what you do. Keep up the good work.And for everyone else, just work together to make something great outta this forum.
You know, it's kinda late for me to be up, but I couldn't help but reply upon this subject as it directly relates to me, the moderation team, and those responsible for affording the moderation team said responsibilities. One thing is correct in the fact that there's no pay involved with keeping order whilst feeding knowledge as a CA forum moderator, so one has to ask "Why we do this". I'll explain my reason why later, but first I'll address the issue at hand. To the thread starter "c-rad", you're selling stuff on ebay and promoting it in the CA forum, but you did you put it in the classified section of NICO?

If you've already put it on ebay, it's a done deal.

If you did post in the classified section, then there's no need to leave it open for discussion either.

There's no need to leave a thread you started about an item you're selling on ebay open for discussion. If that's the case then the CA forum will become more of a circus than we already have.

If you attach your email address for someone to contact you, then there really would be no need to leave thread open. When you leave dead threads open, people tend to post foolish things on them whcih gets them bumped back up to the top of the fresher more interesting and useful threads, which makes us mods spend more time trying to maintain the joint, instead of spending that valuable time trying to help someone on a subject that possibly have never been covered. And furthermore, we do leave a gang of posts open for discussion, but we aren't praised for that now, are we ?

We allow guys such as yourself to post their little CA goodies in the CA forum because we are a very small bunch of nissan enthusiasts and most of the members feel extremely comfortable with each other as opposed to wondering into the big 'ol NICO classified section and either getting overwhelmed with SR goodies or just not finding what he or she is looking for. If you honestly looked at the nature of the beast you've just created, you'll see that there was validity in what was done. You're the thread starter and you've attracted the attention of the big guys behind the scene of NICO, so let's get it taken care of now. You're using NICO's CA section to make a profit for yourself. At first we all saw it as being harmless, but there are rules implemented that prohibits what you're doing. If these were your personal parts, it would not be a problem. But you're buying and reselling parts from a business for personal gain and you've caused a big disturbance here because a thread of yours got locked? The way I see it man, somethings are just better left alone. If we mods were being total pricks, I can honestly say that this whole forum will be locked down because some of the questions that are being asked is just a search button away from them getting the answer. If you don't trust NICO's archives, then you should inquire with one of the mods. What I'm seeing now is two individuals whose engines or whatever got issues and you guys are upset. WE didn't blow your engines or whatever the case was and we are not liable for the information that's gathered on these forums. So basically, Play at your own risk.

No one emailed a moderator about these concerns prior to putting them on front street, so there was no reason to justify why a particular subject was locked. Topics get locked because too much repetition turns away readers. Too much repetition causes friction hence the reason you see other members say "Use the search button". If other members can do it and do it with some success, I don't see the problem. Maybe members get upset because they use the search button, but can't find the exact answer they want. Unfortunately, we are not the writers of the holy bible. You are going to learn to have to search around not just NICO, but any and everywhere possible. I paid a stiff price for the knowledge I've gained with the CA, RB, SR, KA, VG, and even the lowly GA16 series engines and a lot of it came by way of searching and reading.

Greg, I'm sorry this got to your level, but I'm sure had the mods been given a chance to find a happy medium, we would've found one. Members were warned that there would be a big clean-up of the CA forum and they were properly addressed about the event. I see the members that are posting on this thread and believe me, one of them wants to be spoon fed every drop of information there is and I won't be the one to do it. They'll just have to search. Answers to most of their questions are archived or just a moderator away, but not go and stink up the place. Contributes nothing, but try to take any and everything (if the shoe fits, wear it). It's time for members to read those stickies, use the search button, and stop being lazy. There's plenty of members who are satisfied and it's mostly because they cared to search; even if the info was 3 or 4 y/o.

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burnout 180 wrote:i agree almost everypost ends up getting locked because it was delt before in the past. who really cares that a topic was delt with in a 3 or 4 year old post thats old information and perhaps new things have be discovered about that topic since

so i think we sould stop locking post because it was delt with before because this isn't a libray its a forum. So give us the freedom to use this forum as it should be used. which is to ask questions and comunicate with felow ca owners.

thats all.
With that comment "who really cares that a topic was delt with in a 3 or 4 year old post thats old information and perhaps new things have be discovered about that topic since" , says a lot of what kind of members we have to deal with. If we mods took that approach it would sound like this:

Who cares that you just bought a CA18DET and don't know the first thing about it.

Who cares that you can't get your CA18DET to start.

Because you didn't search for your simple answer, why should I care to answer your simple question.

I could care less about you taking your new CA18DET powered S13 out for its maiden voyage.

Who cares that your computer is throwing codes.

I can go on and on with this, but I need to get some sleep. Young trooper (burnout 180) I'll leave you with this, with the type of attitude you displayed, it's no wonder your posts and questions never get answered. And yes, whenever you do come around to the forums, I see your questions and most of them are a "Search button away! And to think you rely on us to get you that new information The engine is 20 y/o already, what new information are you expecting "Vtec" .

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And lastly, the CA18DET is a turbocharged performance engine. Keyword is performance, but yet there's very little discussion on the matter. There seem to be many a new CA18 owners popping up in the forum everyday, ask a question and never hear from them again. We've spent a great deal of time on maintenance related subjects. I'm blue in the face with the repetition stuff that's in our immediate archives, but yet no one wants to take advantage of the stored information. They want it NOW and I won't be the one to accommodate such a demand. Bottom line, if you can't find the information to help you install, maintain, and even build a ppowerful yet reliable CA18 engine, it's because you really haven't tried. So I say, pay someone to do it for you and save yourself the headache....

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My 2cents:

This is easily my most favorite directory in the forum. The knowledge base here is quite laden with CA18 scholars that I cannot help but boast to my companions that it's without a doubt the best sub forum I've come across in a long time. Granted, you may not get your answer you're looking for right away, but like Dee says, the search button could very well supply you with an answer much quicker than it would take for you to wait to be told to do just that by one of the veterans here.

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i'm sorry but is it necessary to start pointing fingers at people? (ie: "I see the members that are posting on this thread and believe me, one of them wants to be spoon fed every drop of information there is and I won't be the one to do it.") On another note, C-Rad didn't say anything about his ebay promoting threads being locked and i think it unfare to bring that in as an example. so his original statement i still feel is completely valid. No one was complaining about the mods or any particular mod, we were just voicing our opinions on the recent actions being taken. The mods do their best and it shows. Its obvious that the mods themselves care about the community on weren't just random appointed people like on some other forums. And no, the mods don't get paid. So if being a mod aggravates you so much to the point that you can't handle some constructive criticism then just walk away, nothing is obligating you to stay. And in know that a lot of times people complain about nothing but this topic in particular i don't feel is "nothing". Don't take this the wrong way though, i'm by no means trying to drop a hint for any mod to quit.

As for the whole CA maintainance thing, well yeah, everyone needs to fix something because its an old engine and unlike some motors not everyone and their mother has one so you can't just ask your neighbor for help. So if this forum is strictly for performance and not for repair issues then it should be named so "CA Performance". I think that we should group together and make a similar site to http://www.vfaq.com to help deter over asked questions. I'll even start the thing myself. If anyone has anyone wants to write up anything simple about common repairs or wiring issues then send them to [email protected] Other than that i'll start work on it myself but it'll take a long time if i'm the only one working on it. So now i'll just sit back and see how many people flame me for all this.

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iliketocrash wrote:i'm sorry but is it necessary to start pointing fingers at people? (ie: "I see the members that are posting on this thread and believe me, one of them wants to be spoon fed every drop of information there is and I won't be the one to do it.") On another note, C-Rad didn't say anything about his ebay promoting threads being locked and i think it unfare to bring that in as an example. so his original statement i still feel is completely valid. No one was complaining about the mods or any particular mod, we were just voicing our opinions on the recent actions being taken. The mods do their best and it shows. Its obvious that the mods themselves care about the community on weren't just random appointed people like on some other forums. And no, the mods don't get paid. So if being a mod aggravates you so much to the point that you can't handle some constructive criticism then just walk away, nothing is obligating you to stay. And in know that a lot of times people complain about nothing but this topic in particular i don't feel is "nothing". Don't take this the wrong way though, i'm by no means trying to drop a hint for any mod to quit.

As for the whole CA maintainance thing, well yeah, everyone needs to fix something because its an old engine and unlike some motors not everyone and their mother has one so you can't just ask your neighbor for help. So if this forum is strictly for performance and not for repair issues then it should be named so "CA Performance". I think that we should group together and make a similar site to http://www.vfaq.com to help deter over asked questions. I'll even start the thing myself. If anyone has anyone wants to write up anything simple about common repairs or wiring issues then send them to [email protected] Other than that i'll start work on it myself but it'll take a long time if i'm the only one working on it. So now i'll just sit back and see how many people flame me for all this.
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i am pretty new to this area of nico as i have finally decided that i want to do a CA into my hatch. and i was kinda shocked at the number of posts that had been just locked (from what seemd to me to be very valid questions), almost frightened me to wonder if it would even be okay to ask a question, even after searching.

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iliketocrash wrote:As for the whole CA maintainance thing, well yeah, everyone needs to fix something because its an old engine and unlike some motors not everyone and their mother has one so you can't just ask your neighbor for help. So if this forum is strictly for performance and not for repair issues then it should be named so "CA Performance". I think that we should group together and make a similar site to http://www.vfaq.com to help deter over asked questions. I'll even start the thing myself. If anyone has anyone wants to write up anything simple about common repairs or wiring issues then send them to [email protected] Other than that i'll start work on it myself but it'll take a long time if i'm the only one working on it. So now i'll just sit back and see how many people flame me for all this.
Okay, so i am down with this site.. are you going to add small info like " RB26 Injectors from R32s bolt in, no need for adding a special ballast resistor to drop impedance to suit the CA computer? "

i think it would be a great help.. im slowly but steadily building up my CA, even though i live in a totally different country, but doing it in stages so 1 mod will compliment the next mod.

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sure. i'll do my best over the next couple of days to get kind of a rough draft of the site done. it'll be a simple navigation with pretty much a list of each of the topics i'll have under the given categories and if i'm missing anything people can just e-mail me and tell me what it is and a write up as well of what i'm missing if necessary.

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The problem with a site like that is 2 fold. First of all, if you have questions, we're just directing you to another site. That's bad. It's bad for membership, it's bad for advertisers, and it's bad for NICO. It's like we don't have our own information, so we're just pointing you in the right direction. Secondly, all of that kind of information IS available!!!! That's the whole point, and what we were trying to get people to do is find that information with out us just having to hand it to them. I can honestly say that 70-80% of the posts made in this forum are maintenece oriented and have been answered REAPEATEDLY for as many years as I've been a memeber. I honestly feel like many times, the sticky's simply aren't being read. I mean, if I have one more person ask about a CA18DE cam or water pump, I'm going to scream! Perhapse it's just because I've been around so long, but it's frustrating, and borederline irritating to come into the CA section and just answer the same old questions again and again. But enough of that. I want to develop a resolution to this problem. You guys didn't like the way that we were doing it before, so lets get some input.

How would you change this forum to make it more interesting?

iliketocrash, I appreciate your input and although I don't think a separate site is a good idea, I like your thinking. Thank you.

It's your forum guys, help me to help you build it.

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I think the biggest problem with searching is that it is far from 'user-friendly'. Why they switched from vBulletin to this zeroforum software is beyond me. If it was because of the cost of the vB license ($160) I am sure with the amount of members on here, they could have rallied up that amount in donations in no time.

As for me 'soliciting' my ebay sale, that is not what I was doing. If someone contacted me through my email address that is in my profile, and made me an offer, I would sell it to them no problem. It would be pointless to post it in the classifieds as who else is going to be using a set of 4 top-feed injectors? Maybe the KA-E guys, but thats far and few between. I have no problem with it being locked, I just felt I had to justify my reasoning for posting it on here.

The vfaq.com site was the BEST info site ever when I was in the DSM community. Hell, I even made one of them (http://bmtranny.escic.com ) I've yet to see a single thread on here with detailed pics of an install of anything.

I wholeheartedly agree with the mods though that there isn't enough performance discussion. It seems as though everyone just buys a motorset and wants the cheapest way out. They do no maintenance to the motor when they get it. They just throw it in the car then come here when everything is broken, leaking, etc. asking how to fix it.

I am going to document everything when I assemble my motor. With plenty of pics.

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i don't see how the site wouldn't be good. it wouldn't be a question of weather or not NICO has the info itself because it'll state on the page that it was created by the CA Nico members. on top of that it would hopefully do away with all the minor maint questions including and not limited to, ca18de cam, water pump, pulling ecu codes, weather or not an sr downpipe will bolt up, how to time your vehicle, etc. Hopefully then the only questions regarding those topics will be for clarification. And in know you guys are all big on not "handing" people information but either you find a way to deter them or you can continue to endure tiresome threads and people whining about not being able to find the info the need in thread searches because a lot of the threads dealing with common topics are inconclusive because they've been shut down because they've been beaten to death. why make more work for yourselves as mods by having to constantly regulate the forum when you can take a big chunk out of the problem by simply giving those who want to be spoon fed exactly what they want, to an extent of course. We should pride ourselves in trying to support our ever growing community and being organized and friendly. besides the spoon fed people will eventually learn on their own that being spoon fed can only ever really get you so far so why shut them down before they even get started? i'm just talking about making a site for what should be common knowledge for any CA owner but isn't because its a foreign engine and only slowly gaining popularity. i'm sorry if i'm making it sound as if i'm trying to force my opinion on anyone here but i just felt i should better explain myself before anyone completely writes me off. either way, no hard feelings on my end. i think this is a productive conversation.

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i was going to say the same thing about the search function, the old one was much better, all there is for options now is new content and archived content with no indication as to what the cut off is with those, especially when trying to search the BST forums, you can't really limit it to like the last couple of weeks (to make sure you don't get stuff that is already sold) and it is a paint to scroll though 3 or 4 pages of stuff to try and find someone that is selling what you are looking for.


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iliketocrash wrote:i don't see how the site wouldn't be good. it wouldn't be a question of weather or not NICO has the info itself because it'll state on the page that it was created by the CA Nico members. on top of that it would hopefully do away with all the minor maint questions including and not limited to, ca18de cam, water pump, pulling ecu codes, weather or not an sr downpipe will bolt up, how to time your vehicle, etc. Hopefully then the only questions regarding those topics will be for clarification. And in know you guys are all big on not "handing" people information but either you find a way to deter them or you can continue to endure tiresome threads and people whining about not being able to find the info the need in thread searches because a lot of the threads dealing with common topics are inconclusive because they've been shut down because they've been beaten to death. why make more work for yourselves as mods by having to constantly regulate the forum when you can take a big chunk out of the problem by simply giving those who want to be spoon fed exactly what they want, to an extent of course. We should pride ourselves in trying to support our ever growing community and being organized and friendly. besides the spoon fed people will eventually learn on their own that being spoon fed can only ever really get you so far so why shut them down before they even get started? i'm just talking about making a site for what should be common knowledge for any CA owner but isn't because its a foreign engine and only slowly gaining popularity. i'm sorry if i'm making it sound as if i'm trying to force my opinion on anyone here but i just felt i should better explain myself before anyone completely writes me off. either way, no hard feelings on my end. i think this is a productive conversation.
You are entitled to your opininon! If you really want to help spoon feed every new member that comes onto NICO's CA18 forum, then why don't you start an alternate site and point them in that direction. With this, you'll be in control and run it the way you want. The problem here is simple in the fact that new members pop-up and ask a question that's been beat to death and disappears never to be heard of again. But yet at still, we have a thread that valuable members' time is being wasted on answering it. So that's where we come in as moderators, we oversee, interject, police, contribute, take away or edit, lock as we see need, up to and/or delete on some instances.

I mean the information is at your finger tips and please 'iliketocrash' make no mistake about, everyone that posts in this forum is afforded that opportunity to use that tool. And to talk about maintenance, how much maintenance can you do on a 20 year old engine that will have you looking for new information. It's only a pulsar engine with a turbocharger "Point blank". One can easily pick-up a chilton or haynes manual and acquire the knowledge needed to do everyday maintenance and if you did it right the 1st time, we shouldn't be having this discussion. From what I heard from other members, all the other forums piss on the CA18DET and its owners. Most others that do have CA discussions, speak of performance oriented topics. But when they want to talk about how to pull ecu codes from the computer, they more than like get forwarded to NICO's CA forum! It's not fair to people who are trying to help people reach their power goals and who wants to extract more performance from their investment. The most important maintenance issues have been laid down and if people don't want to use the available tools to find the answers to which they seek, don't blame NICO or its overseers.

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ceniack wrote:
+1

i am pretty new to this area of nico as i have finally decided that i want to do a CA into my hatch. and i was kinda shocked at the number of posts that had been just locked (from what seemd to me to be very valid questions), almost frightened me to wonder if it would even be okay to ask a question, even after searching.
If you are new, you need to be looking at the sticky section that is there for your convenience. If you felt the questions are valid (to you), the person that asked that particular question possibly failed to use the search button or use the sticky section which in my opinion answers just about every question needed to know about CA maintenance. You don't just jump into a forum because you're new to it and start asking questions comparing one engine to another because I'm pretty sure no matter where you go, the flaming will begin or the thread will be locked or deleted.

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boost_boy wrote: From what I heard from other members, all the other forums piss on the CA18DET and its owners. Most others that do have CA discussions, speak of performance oriented topics. But when they want to talk about how to pull ecu codes from the computer, they more than like get forwarded to NICO's CA forum!
Couldnt be more true. Besides SXOC and NICO, there is really no other place to go for any form of valid information.

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flohtingPoint wrote:My 2cents:

This is easily my most favorite directory in the forum. The knowledge base here is quite laden with CA18 scholars that I cannot help but boast to my companions that it's without a doubt the best sub forum I've come across in a long time. Granted, you may not get your answer you're looking for right away, but like Dee says, the search button could very well supply you with an answer much quicker than it would take for you to wait to be told to do just that by one of the veterans here.
Not everyone in our community is displeased and to the individuals who put forth an effort to use the available search tool before bringing simple questions to the table, I personally commend all of you. No one is trying to be a ding-a-ling when it comes to helping, but if no one's taking heed to the information that has already been pre-established for readers with simple questions, we all have failed.

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iliketocrash wrote:i'm sorry but is it necessary to start pointing fingers at people? (ie: "I see the members that are posting on this thread and believe me, one of them wants to be spoon fed every drop of information there is and I won't be the one to do it.") On another note, C-Rad didn't say anything about his ebay promoting threads being locked and i think it unfare to bring that in as an example. so his original statement i still feel is completely valid. No one was complaining about the mods or any particular mod, we were just voicing our opinions on the recent actions being taken. The mods do their best and it shows. Its obvious that the mods themselves care about the community on weren't just random appointed people like on some other forums. And no, the mods don't get paid. So if being a mod aggravates you so much to the point that you can't handle some constructive criticism then just walk away, nothing is obligating you to stay. And in know that a lot of times people complain about nothing but this topic in particular i don't feel is "nothing". Don't take this the wrong way though, i'm by no means trying to drop a hint for any mod to quit.

As for the whole CA maintainance thing, well yeah, everyone needs to fix something because its an old engine and unlike some motors not everyone and their mother has one so you can't just ask your neighbor for help. So if this forum is strictly for performance and not for repair issues then it should be named so "CA Performance". I think that we should group together and make a similar site to http://www.vfaq.com to help deter over asked questions. I'll even start the thing myself. If anyone has anyone wants to write up anything simple about common repairs or wiring issues then send them to [email protected] Other than that i'll start work on it myself but it'll take a long time if i'm the only one working on it. So now i'll just sit back and see how many people flame me for all this.
Yes, it was necessary to point fingers (as you so call it) because it's a human way of establishing the foundation for a solution. Why generalize when you can just point out the source of an issue and address it. If you can't tell which member I was referring to, then you must not have read. I'm pretty sure I also quoted this member as well as replied to said quote; hence the reason why I said if the shoe fits, wear it.

And as for a mod quitting or just walk away, I'll say this to you, if your engine keeps giving you grief, why don't you just dump it and get an SR? I'll happily point you to some of our sponsors who'll be glad to help you with your transition.

And BTW, nothing is obligating you to stay either. Years of experience compells me to stay. The desire to see people have as much fun as I have had compells me to stay. I don't whine about a busted engine. I just rebuild or buy another one.............

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boost_boy wrote: Not everyone in our community is displeased and to the individuals who put forth an effort to use the available search tool before bringing simple questions to the table, I personally commend all of you. No one is trying to be a ding-a-ling whne it comes to helping, but if no ones taking heed to the information that has already been pre-established for readers with simple questions, we all have failed.

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Ok, well, in that case....instead of locking a thread, DELETE IT. That way when someone types in 'install' or 'wiring' into the search, they don't get 2386 locked threads and 2 that actually contain an answer.

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Ok, well, in that case....instead of locking a thread, DELETE IT. That way when someone types in 'install' or 'wiring' into the search, they don't get 2386 locked threads and 2 that actually contain an answer.
WE can do that, but guess what's going to happen now, people are going to be starting yet another thread asking what happened to their first thread. It's a vicious cycle and I really want to find a happy medium. If you guys really looked at some of the stuff that was locked by my colleagues and I, you'll see that questions were asked and answers were given with closing statement like "that's what I was looking for" or "thanks for the help" or problem solved.

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boost_boy wrote: If you are new, you need to be looking at the sticky section that is there for your convenience. If you felt the questions are valid (to you), the person that asked that particular question possibly failed to use the search button or use the sticky section which in my opinion answers just about every question needed to know about CA maintenance. You don't just jump into a forum because you're new to it and start asking questions comparing one engine to another because I'm pretty sure no matter where you go, the flaming will begin or the thread will be locked or deleted.

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i have been reading the sticky's if you will have noticed, i have only started one thread in here, lol, and that was asking for your e-mail or for you to e-mail me so i could ask you a couple questions (couldn't find it on your profile)

but some of the threads that were locked (where there was actually quite a bit of discussion on the topic at hand) i don't feel should have been locked. what happens if someone does use the search and brings up that thread, but needs some clarification on something discussed in it. if the thread is locked they are going to start another one asking for clarification, but if it is unlocked, they could ask the question in a thread that is related to what they are needing to know (thus showing that they have searched, and also not making a thread about a topic that has been beaten to death)

but i still stand by my affirmation that the search function is kind of lacking in the user friendlyness department since the switch to zero forums, also, some of the links in the sticky's are dead.


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