You know, it's kinda late for me to be up, but I couldn't help but reply upon this subject as it directly relates to me, the moderation team, and those responsible for affording the moderation team said responsibilities. One thing is correct in the fact that there's no pay involved with keeping order whilst feeding knowledge as a CA forum moderator, so one has to ask "Why we do this". I'll explain my reason why later, but first I'll address the issue at hand. To the thread starter "c-rad", you're selling stuff on ebay and promoting it in the CA forum, but you did you put it in the classified section of NICO?jdmDAvey wrote:Just to add my 2 cents, this is an awesome forum. I totally agree with the mods in trying to push the boundaries of performance oriented topics. But, personally, I use this forum as a place to help me find answers to simple questions. Now, I've been turning wrenches for many years, and I do it for a living, and I have found that the fastest way to get a job done is to research it to its fullest before I tackle the job. But its very hard to research a topic when the only threads that are available are old, and the majority contain links to other threads that are dead. I've noticed that in the last few months, I have almost completely givin up on the idea of using this forum for info. It takes too long, and there still isnt enough basic info on basic topics. Just ask yourselves, what are the majority of problems with vehicles in general? Its stupid little stuff that we look at over and over and cant come up with a solution. REAL mechanicing involves questions, and answers to the most basic of problems, all the way to the most involved situations. It takes a dedicated group of people, like the CA crowd, to come together and really make something of this forum. Just take this when you walk away... if someone(a newb) asks a dumb question, just remind them to search first and THEN, if they cant find the info they are looking for, help them. Pushing the edge of performance is everybodys ultimate goal, but it cant be obtained without people understanding the basics.Mods, thanks for the input and understand that there actually are people out there like me who understand why you do what you do. Keep up the good work.And for everyone else, just work together to make something great outta this forum.
With that comment "who really cares that a topic was delt with in a 3 or 4 year old post thats old information and perhaps new things have be discovered about that topic since" , says a lot of what kind of members we have to deal with. If we mods took that approach it would sound like this:burnout 180 wrote:i agree almost everypost ends up getting locked because it was delt before in the past. who really cares that a topic was delt with in a 3 or 4 year old post thats old information and perhaps new things have be discovered about that topic since
so i think we sould stop locking post because it was delt with before because this isn't a libray its a forum. So give us the freedom to use this forum as it should be used. which is to ask questions and comunicate with felow ca owners.
thats all.
+1iliketocrash wrote:i'm sorry but is it necessary to start pointing fingers at people? (ie: "I see the members that are posting on this thread and believe me, one of them wants to be spoon fed every drop of information there is and I won't be the one to do it.") On another note, C-Rad didn't say anything about his ebay promoting threads being locked and i think it unfare to bring that in as an example. so his original statement i still feel is completely valid. No one was complaining about the mods or any particular mod, we were just voicing our opinions on the recent actions being taken. The mods do their best and it shows. Its obvious that the mods themselves care about the community on weren't just random appointed people like on some other forums. And no, the mods don't get paid. So if being a mod aggravates you so much to the point that you can't handle some constructive criticism then just walk away, nothing is obligating you to stay. And in know that a lot of times people complain about nothing but this topic in particular i don't feel is "nothing". Don't take this the wrong way though, i'm by no means trying to drop a hint for any mod to quit.
As for the whole CA maintainance thing, well yeah, everyone needs to fix something because its an old engine and unlike some motors not everyone and their mother has one so you can't just ask your neighbor for help. So if this forum is strictly for performance and not for repair issues then it should be named so "CA Performance". I think that we should group together and make a similar site to http://www.vfaq.com to help deter over asked questions. I'll even start the thing myself. If anyone has anyone wants to write up anything simple about common repairs or wiring issues then send them to [email protected] Other than that i'll start work on it myself but it'll take a long time if i'm the only one working on it. So now i'll just sit back and see how many people flame me for all this.
Okay, so i am down with this site.. are you going to add small info like " RB26 Injectors from R32s bolt in, no need for adding a special ballast resistor to drop impedance to suit the CA computer? "iliketocrash wrote:As for the whole CA maintainance thing, well yeah, everyone needs to fix something because its an old engine and unlike some motors not everyone and their mother has one so you can't just ask your neighbor for help. So if this forum is strictly for performance and not for repair issues then it should be named so "CA Performance". I think that we should group together and make a similar site to http://www.vfaq.com to help deter over asked questions. I'll even start the thing myself. If anyone has anyone wants to write up anything simple about common repairs or wiring issues then send them to [email protected] Other than that i'll start work on it myself but it'll take a long time if i'm the only one working on it. So now i'll just sit back and see how many people flame me for all this.
You are entitled to your opininon! If you really want to help spoon feed every new member that comes onto NICO's CA18 forum, then why don't you start an alternate site and point them in that direction. With this, you'll be in control and run it the way you want. The problem here is simple in the fact that new members pop-up and ask a question that's been beat to death and disappears never to be heard of again. But yet at still, we have a thread that valuable members' time is being wasted on answering it. So that's where we come in as moderators, we oversee, interject, police, contribute, take away or edit, lock as we see need, up to and/or delete on some instances.iliketocrash wrote:i don't see how the site wouldn't be good. it wouldn't be a question of weather or not NICO has the info itself because it'll state on the page that it was created by the CA Nico members. on top of that it would hopefully do away with all the minor maint questions including and not limited to, ca18de cam, water pump, pulling ecu codes, weather or not an sr downpipe will bolt up, how to time your vehicle, etc. Hopefully then the only questions regarding those topics will be for clarification. And in know you guys are all big on not "handing" people information but either you find a way to deter them or you can continue to endure tiresome threads and people whining about not being able to find the info the need in thread searches because a lot of the threads dealing with common topics are inconclusive because they've been shut down because they've been beaten to death. why make more work for yourselves as mods by having to constantly regulate the forum when you can take a big chunk out of the problem by simply giving those who want to be spoon fed exactly what they want, to an extent of course. We should pride ourselves in trying to support our ever growing community and being organized and friendly. besides the spoon fed people will eventually learn on their own that being spoon fed can only ever really get you so far so why shut them down before they even get started? i'm just talking about making a site for what should be common knowledge for any CA owner but isn't because its a foreign engine and only slowly gaining popularity. i'm sorry if i'm making it sound as if i'm trying to force my opinion on anyone here but i just felt i should better explain myself before anyone completely writes me off. either way, no hard feelings on my end. i think this is a productive conversation.
If you are new, you need to be looking at the sticky section that is there for your convenience. If you felt the questions are valid (to you), the person that asked that particular question possibly failed to use the search button or use the sticky section which in my opinion answers just about every question needed to know about CA maintenance. You don't just jump into a forum because you're new to it and start asking questions comparing one engine to another because I'm pretty sure no matter where you go, the flaming will begin or the thread will be locked or deleted.ceniack wrote:
+1
i am pretty new to this area of nico as i have finally decided that i want to do a CA into my hatch. and i was kinda shocked at the number of posts that had been just locked (from what seemd to me to be very valid questions), almost frightened me to wonder if it would even be okay to ask a question, even after searching.
Couldnt be more true. Besides SXOC and NICO, there is really no other place to go for any form of valid information.boost_boy wrote: From what I heard from other members, all the other forums piss on the CA18DET and its owners. Most others that do have CA discussions, speak of performance oriented topics. But when they want to talk about how to pull ecu codes from the computer, they more than like get forwarded to NICO's CA forum!
Not everyone in our community is displeased and to the individuals who put forth an effort to use the available search tool before bringing simple questions to the table, I personally commend all of you. No one is trying to be a ding-a-ling when it comes to helping, but if no one's taking heed to the information that has already been pre-established for readers with simple questions, we all have failed.flohtingPoint wrote:My 2cents:
This is easily my most favorite directory in the forum. The knowledge base here is quite laden with CA18 scholars that I cannot help but boast to my companions that it's without a doubt the best sub forum I've come across in a long time. Granted, you may not get your answer you're looking for right away, but like Dee says, the search button could very well supply you with an answer much quicker than it would take for you to wait to be told to do just that by one of the veterans here.
Yes, it was necessary to point fingers (as you so call it) because it's a human way of establishing the foundation for a solution. Why generalize when you can just point out the source of an issue and address it. If you can't tell which member I was referring to, then you must not have read. I'm pretty sure I also quoted this member as well as replied to said quote; hence the reason why I said if the shoe fits, wear it.iliketocrash wrote:i'm sorry but is it necessary to start pointing fingers at people? (ie: "I see the members that are posting on this thread and believe me, one of them wants to be spoon fed every drop of information there is and I won't be the one to do it.") On another note, C-Rad didn't say anything about his ebay promoting threads being locked and i think it unfare to bring that in as an example. so his original statement i still feel is completely valid. No one was complaining about the mods or any particular mod, we were just voicing our opinions on the recent actions being taken. The mods do their best and it shows. Its obvious that the mods themselves care about the community on weren't just random appointed people like on some other forums. And no, the mods don't get paid. So if being a mod aggravates you so much to the point that you can't handle some constructive criticism then just walk away, nothing is obligating you to stay. And in know that a lot of times people complain about nothing but this topic in particular i don't feel is "nothing". Don't take this the wrong way though, i'm by no means trying to drop a hint for any mod to quit.
As for the whole CA maintainance thing, well yeah, everyone needs to fix something because its an old engine and unlike some motors not everyone and their mother has one so you can't just ask your neighbor for help. So if this forum is strictly for performance and not for repair issues then it should be named so "CA Performance". I think that we should group together and make a similar site to http://www.vfaq.com to help deter over asked questions. I'll even start the thing myself. If anyone has anyone wants to write up anything simple about common repairs or wiring issues then send them to [email protected] Other than that i'll start work on it myself but it'll take a long time if i'm the only one working on it. So now i'll just sit back and see how many people flame me for all this.
Ok, well, in that case....instead of locking a thread, DELETE IT. That way when someone types in 'install' or 'wiring' into the search, they don't get 2386 locked threads and 2 that actually contain an answer.boost_boy wrote: Not everyone in our community is displeased and to the individuals who put forth an effort to use the available search tool before bringing simple questions to the table, I personally commend all of you. No one is trying to be a ding-a-ling whne it comes to helping, but if no ones taking heed to the information that has already been pre-established for readers with simple questions, we all have failed.
Dee
WE can do that, but guess what's going to happen now, people are going to be starting yet another thread asking what happened to their first thread. It's a vicious cycle and I really want to find a happy medium. If you guys really looked at some of the stuff that was locked by my colleagues and I, you'll see that questions were asked and answers were given with closing statement like "that's what I was looking for" or "thanks for the help" or problem solved.c-rad wrote:
Ok, well, in that case....instead of locking a thread, DELETE IT. That way when someone types in 'install' or 'wiring' into the search, they don't get 2386 locked threads and 2 that actually contain an answer.
i have been reading the sticky's if you will have noticed, i have only started one thread in here, lol, and that was asking for your e-mail or for you to e-mail me so i could ask you a couple questions (couldn't find it on your profile)boost_boy wrote: If you are new, you need to be looking at the sticky section that is there for your convenience. If you felt the questions are valid (to you), the person that asked that particular question possibly failed to use the search button or use the sticky section which in my opinion answers just about every question needed to know about CA maintenance. You don't just jump into a forum because you're new to it and start asking questions comparing one engine to another because I'm pretty sure no matter where you go, the flaming will begin or the thread will be locked or deleted.
Dee