the ultimate street car challenge...

Post by **nissanrcer240** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

did any1 see the new SCC ultimate street car challenge, the nissan skyline came in 2nd.....right behind the 82,000 dollar dodge viper,i think it did pretty good myself...since im sure alot of you dont read scc this is the order they listed them in:

1. viper(977)

2. skyline(972)

3. supra(957)

4. eclipse(797)

5. subaru WRX(791)

6. MR2(689)

7. Acura type R integra(581)

8. mitsu 3000gt(506)

9. Laminar SRX-7(426)

10. Datsun 510(354)

of course all these cars were modded but they all had to be street legal. i just thought that was interesting to see the skyline hang with 80 sum thousand dollar cars.

Post by **red240ne** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

Are those numbers HP numbers?? If so, how'd they get 797 out of an eclipse?? That doesn't seem possible out of a 1.6L POS.

Post by **nissanrcer240** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

no no no...im sorry i should've clarified that ......those are the point ratings to show how close some of them were.. sorry for the confusion

Post by **red240ne** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

what the hell is a laminar?

Post by **s14=pimpin'** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

damn Vipers!!

Post by **TheProfessional** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

POS eclipse. watch out man, DSM's have some SERIOUS balls, by the way the 4g63 is a 2.0 liter i believe just like all of our sr20's... and they have AWD. but why would a viper be in a "compact car challenge".... the whole SCC challenge is a bunch of BS.

Post by **s14sr20det** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

Id take a Skyline GTR R34 over Viper any time.I still think Skyline GTR is alot better car then a Viper.

Post by **240_Keyy** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

DOH you just ruined it for me, my mag hasn't arrived yet. I might as well just die now...........

Post by **nismo_man** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

oh yea a skyline is better than a viper

Post by **BB Turbo** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

red240ne wrote:Are those numbers HP numbers?? If so, how'd they get 797 out of an eclipse?? That doesn't seem possible out of a 1.6L POS.

Quote »4g63s are a 2.0 lt. i think[/quote]

No No No, the 420A is the non turbo dsm, in the 90 to94 models, they came with a 1.8L, and 95'99, they cam with a 2.0L, the 4G63 comes in the EVOLUTION and the eclipse, talon and laser and came came with a 2.0L, with 210 hp in in either AWD or FWD, the non turbo came with 140 hp for the 1st gen dsm and 155 for the 2nd gen.

Post by **BB Turbo** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

By the way, one of my brothers cars is a talon n/t, with a hahn stage 2 kit, he hasnt touched th internals yet, and hes pushin 290 on 10 psi, he runs high 13s,low 14s, with the stage 3, he'll have 375 hp, but wit some engine work, and run low 13s high 12s, both engines are very good when done right

Post by **Onizuka** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

red240ne wrote:what the hell is a laminar?

basicly a very light RX7

Post by **Just another 240** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

i always had this in my mind, what/how does it consider to be a STREET LEGAL car??? oh, and one of my friend just bought a 1st gen body talon with an evo 4 motor in there for 5500. (just wanna to throw this in)too bad he don't have plates for it yet.

Post by **Onizuka** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

it is street legal probably because 1) the guy can crashtest the car as much as he wants because he makes it -or- its registared as an rx7. 2) all the mechanicle parts are from US market cars.

Post by **Antyoo** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

"of course all these cars were modded but they all had to be street legal. i just thought that was interesting to see the skyline hang with 80 sum thousand dollar cars."

from what i have heard, the skyline aint that cheap either

btw, why is the viper there? it does not belong there

Post by **midwestdrifter** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

too many jackasses read scc that is why there is a viper.

Post by **sil80drifter** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

how in the WORLD did type R ever beat rx-7? it should have been right on top there with skyline and viper..in fact i like to think of the fd as a lightweight viper with a rotary...

sil80

Post by **Emperor** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

Not to defend SCC, but the rating system they use to judge cars are in many different catagories. It's not just horsepower, its being the "ultimate street car" as they put it. Just out of curiousity, is the GTR really considered a compact? and then what is the definition of compact car? Also, you guys remember last year what won?... yeah so it happened again basically.

Post by **Onizuka** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

Emperor wrote:Not to defend SCC, but the rating system they use to judge cars are in many different catagories. It's not just horsepower, its being the "ultimate street car" as they put it. Just out of curiousity, is the GTR really considered a compact? and then what is the definition of compact car? Also, you guys remember last year what won?... yeah so it happened again basically.

the skyline may be heavy, but its not big.

Post by **Emperor** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

Have you ever seen a viper?....

Post by **Onizuka** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

Antyoo wrote:"of course all these cars were modded but they all had to be street legal. i just thought that was interesting to see the skyline hang with 80 sum thousand dollar cars."

from what i have heard, the skyline aint that cheap either

btw, why is the viper there? it does not belong there

a very lightly modded skyline at that

like midwestdrifter said, too many jackasses read SCC. thats why there is a viper.

Post by **Repo Man** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

BB Turbo H C S15 wrote:No No No, the 420A is the non turbo dsm, in the 90 to94 models, they came with a 1.8L, and 95'99, they cam with a 2.0L, the 4G63 comes in the EVOLUTION and the eclipse, talon and laser and came came with a 2.0L, with 210 hp in in either AWD or FWD, the non turbo came with 140 hp for the 1st gen dsm and 155 for the 2nd gen.

This is NOT correct, at least partially incorrect. The 4G63 is the 2.0 turbo that came in the DSM's. The early ones are stronger than the later ones. From '95-'97 the Mitsu engines had a big problem with crank walk. I could spout a lot of info regarding this engine, but this is not a DSM board. There were also different n/a engines, but no one really cares about those.

The EVO is also powered by the 4G63 with a big 16g turbo. I posted a large amount of information regarding the EVO not too long ago. You may search for it if you are interested.

As for the USCC, why is it a bs competition? The Viper is a killer machine, no one can question that. So is the Skyline. The one in this test was an R33, NOT an R34. It was rather modestly modded compared to the Viper which was completely rebuilt. But why would it not belong in this competition?

The car that didn't belong was that dumb arse VR4 Spyder. That guy claimed to have over 600hp, but had half of that, was slow as all hell, and drove like a fairy. Why has no one mentioned that? The Viper stomped arse, that's why it won, but not by much. I too would rather have a GT-R than a Viper, but that doesn't mean the Viper didn't belong. Come on.

Another big misconception about the USCC is that it has to be sport compacts. It doesn't. It's all about the ultimate street car, hence the name.

Post by **nametakennow** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

5 damn points. The GT-R should have won. Alright, so I'm a fanatic, the Viper didn't make any sense. It's Sport Compact Car, they do compacts, and anything import really, NOT FRIGGIN VIPERS.

Post by **TrueSlide** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

Well, you cannot change who one, sure I would of liked the GT-R to win, but considering it was up against like repo said a rebuilt viper, the skyline showed its stripes. At least it didn't get beat by a honda or dsm

btw, off subject, is the eclipse a import?!? I heard from dsm guy, that there are no eclipses in japan. Can anyone verify this, cause to think about it I have never seen a picture of a japan eclipse.

Post by **RYNO_s13** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

What Repo didn't mention about the VR4 was that the snail the guy claimed to have in his 600hp+ car doesn't even exist. the contest seemed well rounded.

Post by **miteymax86** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

Yes, there are no eclipses in Japan, they get the even more underpowered but far sexier FTO.The cars in the USCC are determined by voting from the readers on the car they want to see in there, just like the Mustang and the Ferrari in last years competition.They judge everything from comfort, cleanliness, engineering, to the gamut of HP, hot lap time, 1/4time, and emissions. I may have missed one or two tests, but they really go for everything. The SRX-7 lost to the Type R because it wasn't as well-rounded a car, at least by SCC standards. Anyway, SCC is a decent mag, I just wish they could've kept quiet about the 240 being a sweet car until I had bought one!

Post by **miteymax86** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

Not to mention that the SRX-7 really isn't even an RX-7 but is more of a Lotus Seven with a turbo rotary

Post by **Onizuka** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

miteymax86 wrote: Anyway, SCC is a decent mag, I just wish they could've kept quiet about the 240 being a sweet car until I had bought one!

Thats funny. i bought my s13 about a week before they came out with that one on how to make a really cheap s13 silvia. after that prices went way up it seems.

Post by **Repo Man** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

RYNO_s13 wrote:What Repo didn't mention about the VR4 was that the snail the guy claimed to have in his 600hp+ car doesn't even exist. the contest seemed well rounded.

Sorry there Ryno, I guess I didn't study the magazine quite as intensely as you obviously have. That car sucked regardless of what turbos it had.

Again, the contest was NOT LIMITED TO SPORT COMPACT CARS. IT WAS THE ULTIMATE STREET CAR CHALLENGE, WHICH MEANS IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANY CAR THAT WAS VOTED IN BY READERS.

Post by **nissanrcer240** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:51 am

Again, the contest was NOT LIMITED TO SPORT COMPACT CARS. IT WAS THE ULTIMATE STREET CAR CHALLENGE, WHICH MEANS IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANY CAR THAT WAS VOTED IN BY READERS.

yeah wut he said /\ / \ l l

the ultimate street car challenge...

the ultimate street car challenge...

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