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Are modern automobiles too perfect, too refined?

I just drove two cars back to back, a 2001 BMW 330Ci convertible and my 1991 Saab 900 Turbo convertible. They’re ten years apart, but the Saab’s engineering and design date back to the 1970s while the BMW, conceived in the 90s, still feels like a thoroughly modern, highly refined, present-day car.

I had a 2004 BMW 325 Ci back in 2008 and at the time, I was convinced that aside from its lack of power, topless motoring couldn’t be much better than that. I looked forward to my 45-minute daily commutes and whether it was snowing or 100F and humid outside, I had the top open and windows down.

The car was t-boned in 2008 when an old woman in a Kia Rondo ran a red light, plowing into my door and doing a bit of minor damage to my left knee.

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Considering how quickly she was moving, the little BMW did a truly outstanding job of keeping my body secured, blocking cabin intrusion and setting off the appropriate side air bags and roll bars. I walked away from that accident with a grin on my face, still shaking a bit, but physically unharmed aside from the left knee (which was resting on the door) and some muscle soreness.

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In my old Saab, I’d probably have a broken hip, broken ribs, and broken leg. I guarantee, I would have been carried away on a stretcher. That isn’t a knock on Saab’s well-reputed, ahead-of-its-time safety engineering, rather, it’s the passing of fourteen years separating the level of advancement between the two cars.

Fast forward three years.
Ian headed down to Florida last week to conduct some business and on the way home, he stopped at a dealer in Tennessee to trade his 2004 Lincoln Town Car, heading home in a 2001 BMW 330 Ci. The two cars couldn’t be more different, one a very traditional American cruiser and the other a sporty convertible from Germany.

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After he arrived in St Louis, I took his newly-acquired BMW for a spin, focusing on curvy 35-45mph roads, trying to relive the magic of the ’04 325 that was totaled years ago.

Something was missing.

Was it dramatically different from my 325? No, and in every measurable way it was significantly better. The 325 took an eternity to reach highway cruising speeds while the 330 soars to 60 in a hair over 6 seconds. The exhaust note is racier, creating a sound that’s both throaty and sophisticated without being annoying. The interior is as well made as I remembered, in the exact same shade of gray as my 325 with that rich, intoxicating BMW smell, deep wood trim, and soft surfaces everywhere. With the smaller wheels and tires, it rides surprisingly well (my 325 was a bit coarse over rough pavement with 18” sport wheels).

On paper, the 2001 330i is a vastly superior car to the 2004 325i that I so fondly remembered. Yet, it didn’t stir my emotions in the way I hoped or expected it to.

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This isn’t the car’s fault. Everything about the E46 chassis is the epitome of what a BMW should be — rigidity, refinement, balance, comfort, and poise. Without going into a full-fledged review (I’ll do that later), the 330 Ci is a 10/10 on all measurable and explicable points.

What has changed, however, is me. As time goes on, as I drive and experience more automobiles from all over the world, my tastes become more specific and in some ways more bizarre. You know those guys who pour $120,000 into restoring Jaguar E-types? They do it not because they’re interested in turning a profit (they never do), they do it because they’re pursuing a specific look, feel, and character that they can’t find anywhere else. They do it for the love of motoring, for the pleasure of the senses.

To a lesser extent, I’ve become one of them, pouring $10,000 into the restoration of my Saab, a badly abused and pretty sad looking 21 year old car that I paid $900 for. But, at low speeds, the Saab makes noises, shakes, buzzes, and talks to me. At every turn, with every touch of the throttle it’s talking to me, telling me about the road surface, the engine, or warning me — “Oh god, this understeer is going to kill us” or “Whatever that smell is, you should probably fix it before we catch fire.” That madness is part of the charm, which is exactly what a crazy person would say.

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I’m not stuck in time or excessively picky — I can experience joy behind the wheel of a 30 year old pickup or a new Mini Cooper, but as new cars hit the market, they feel too similar. All that refinement leads to the loss of steering feedback, neutralization of tire noise, and dullness of little vibrations that normally exude character and anthropomorphize a machine. That passionate pursuit of perfection that Lexus likes to brag about comes with consequences.

The BMW 330 Ci isn’t at all overly refined, but it is a bit too serious, too sure of itself and too darn perfect. My clunky old Saab, once you take the romance out of it, once you disconnect it from the novelty of Swedish culture, is a sluggish bucket of bolts with enough emergency parts and tools in the trunk to make a killing at a swap meet. The Saab is cheerful, like lemonade, Jolly Ranchers, and puppies on four wheels. The BMW, on the other hand, punches children in the face when its had too much to drink.

The 330i is an all around outstanding car, plenty comfortable for routine motoring and interesting enough to add spice to daily commutes. But I may have fallen out of love with it, and it is by no means the car’s fault.

A good convertible exposes you to the road, the mechanical actions of the powertrain, and the outside environment. The lack of insulation and refinement, rather than detracting from the experience, contribute genuine character and make going slow a thing of pleasure. Call it “going slow, fast.”

Other cars do this too. The Mazda 3 and Mazda Miata have steering that could be described as “chatty,” constantly updating the driver through his hands on the status of the road.

Among luxury cars, the E39 BMW 528i, with its rack and pinion steering and balanced chassis, is one of the best-driving sedans of all time, if not the fastest or most spacious. The current 5-series, by comparison, delivers Lexus levels of refinement but has been criticized by the press as being less BMW and more Mercedes, emphasizing comfort and quiet over motoring pleasure.

The Cadillac CTS-V, in its first generation, was a semi-luxury muscle car that was rough around the edges, a genuine driver’s car with realistic room for five and the heart of a lion. The second-generation V, which arrived in 2009, is faster and more sophisticated but a bit dull to the touch, like a musical recording on a sound system that offers more bass but noticeably reduced treble. You need treble to enjoy music. You need treble and sizzle to enjoy cars.

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Soon, I will be posting a review of a 2004 Lexus LS430 that I spent three days in, which by any reasonable measure may be the world’s most impressive mass-produced luxury car. Despite being thoroughly impressed, I have no affection for it. It’s far too clinical, bordering on sterile, but I’d still recommend it to anyone for its comfort, quality, and dependability.

My point, the purpose behind this long-winded discourse, is that sometimes perfection is a fault. Refinement isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be. Like women, I appreciate little flaws, quirks, and idiosyncrasies, someone with a story to tell. As much as I adore polished characters like June Cleaver, I’d be bored with her within a week. Likewise, I’ve never been excited by Toyota Camrys.

I realize I fall far outside the norm and understand that 80% of the auto buying public are sensible, reasonable, and practical comfort seekers who have greater concerns and interests than their mode of land transportation. But I don’t write for them and this isn’t Consumer Reports. I didn’t sit here putting this article together for the boring fatties that subscribe to CR. [DOES NOT APPLY TO JOEL. LOVE YOU BRO.]

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Forget perfection. To hell with refinement and quality surveys. Find a car that makes you smile.

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I know what you mean. I would'nt take this

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in trade for this :nono:

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Great write-up. I have to say that the best modification I made to my car was coilovers. Instantly felt more connected to the road and the car. Say whatever you like about Altima Coupes or CVTs; I love mine, creaky moonroof and all.

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And once again, the wise words of Jesda resonate through the intarwebs.

Very nice write up, sir. I completely agree with every single point you made. I've dumped about $3200 into my $600, 18 year old 240 vert, and it STILL begs for more money, just to get it back to its former glory. And I'll gladly pay it, because its good at what it does, which is putting an insane grin on my face as soon as the roof disappears behind the back seat.

When I was a valet I drove TONS of new cars, luxury cars, sports cars. But at the end of the day, sitting back in my car was a great feeling. I drove a 6-speed 370z once, and it was PHENOMENAL. All the power in world (to me at least) available to me a movement of my right foot, a gorgeous interior, cool electronic gadgets everywhere. I loved it, but like you said, it was kind of numb. Given, it "talked" to me more than numerous e46 convertibles that I've driven, it still didn't talk to me as much as my 'vert, and it just made me feel disconnected somehow, like I don't have to think about anything.

Bueno article bro, also, Convertible owners unite!!1!11!

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Well put sir. Your thoughts are spot on. Well done.

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Jesda, your blog is the only thing in my RSS feeds that I make a point to read every new article. Thank you!

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The CTS-V is an excellent example. I love both generations, but the first-gen was absolutely a musclecar, where the second is a powerful luxury car. The first-gen was loud, but it offended people. It was brash, but it offended people. The second-gen makes a lot more power, but is much more subtle.

Lincoln intentionally kept the exhaust note of the LS8 very quiet, which is a waste, because it sounds brilliant. They didn't want to offend the geezers who'd be buying them new.

I think the real problem here, Jesda, is that the kind of people who can afford $60k+ worth of performance sedan are largely the same kind of people who run for the yellow pages when the sink drips and sleep with toupees on the nightstand. The cars are made to appeal to the quirk-loving minority we belong to, but our minority can't make them sell. So there's the sweet spot, where we still get our fun but the cars still move off lots.

I really want an LS2 CTS-V. I also really want an STS-V. Neither of them was afraid to be a monster.

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Another excellent read. I like refinement in certain cases, but ultimately I don't want the car to be perfect.

My car is going on 12 years old now and while some of the noises it makes annoy me, I still love the feeling I get when I drive it. If I ever replaced it, I would likely replace it with a newer version of it, being either an Altima 3.5 or a Maxima, but I simply keep driving it because I don't see any reason to. Until it gets wrecked, or becomes unsuitable for driving, I will likely continue to drive it. While a newer Maxima might be more refined and have better features, I enjoy the character of something that doesn't try to protect me from everything. My car gets horrible traction in slick conditions, but it means I have to be more involved in driving and pay attention to what the car is doing. It sucks the joy out of motoring when the car does everything so well, that you have to do nothing at all.

I ultimately would love a 1st gen CTS-V or a Pontiac G8 next, but would also be happy with a G35 6spd sedan as well. The reason being, the only thing I would change about my car is it being wrong wheel drive and it doesn't have a manual transmission. The automatic is nice most of the time, but I really miss being able to hammer through the gears whenever I felt like ripping on my previous vehicles.

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Jesda wrote: I didn’t sit here putting this article together for the boring fatties that subscribe to CR. [DOES NOT APPLY TO JOEL. LOVE YOU BRO.]
Love you too bro. ;) Excellent article.

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Right on Jesdar!!

I love cars made before 2000... I feel like somewhere after 2005 everything became soft, dull and numbing to drive (and to look at). I have ADD, I need feedback from my car to keep my attention/focus (like how a short wheelbase car like a Miata demands your focus when driving through torrential rain on the highway :biggrin: ). I think Japanese and German cars of the late 80's and through-out the 90's have a lot of soul.

You need to test drive a E36 M3 if you haven't already. I had the pleasure of autocrossing one and I would giggle everytime I drove up to the start line (and blip the throttle of that sweet S52) and when I came through the finish box. :)

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Jesda should be writing for Hemming's Sport and Exotic car.

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Enjoyed the article Jesda......I have a couple of newer model refined cars(and very recently had a brand new MB C coupe for a weekend as a service loaner), however driving the J30t still brings a smile to my face. There is just something about that car (as the french say "je ne sais quoi"). That's why I'm still keeping it.

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Hi there cutie

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audtatious wrote:Hi there cutie
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You've got a very crazy Jack Nicholson type face on in that pic.

Great write up, now come drive my Miata and don't hold back.

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After a few weeks of driving my new genesis coupe I hopped in the Q of doom to run some errands this afternoon. I gotta say the Q still impresses me every time I drive it, the interior is comfortable, driving position is great and infinitely adjustable, and the controls are all in the right positions. My one complaint is the harsh ride, but that has something to do with the lowering springs and likely a set of blown struts. Once I find a set of factory springs and struts for cheap she will be back to perfect. Oh and did I mention THA POWEEEEEERRRRRR!

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Hi there cutie
That was a screenshot from the training video Jesda made for Nala called "10 Techniques for When She Says No".

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"With bonus how-to DVD!"

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Step one: Prepare for the confrontation with chili and cauliflower.

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hmmm, I should just make this easier on me and start hitting up your blog. Move to New Meixco, plenty of houses for sell.

PS - I got the ride in one of those: "E Types". It's somthing everyone needs to try. This guy had it for years and plenty of great stories to go along with driving the sexiest this on four whels,

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My dad had a 3.8 liter E-type when he was my age. I wish he still had it today (and so does he!).

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MinisterofDOOM wrote:My dad had a 3.8 liter E-type when he was my age. I wish he still had it today (and so does he!).
There's nothing like the thrill of driving an old Jag sports car and the agony of owning one. My dad owned a 1956 XK140 for many years (when I was a kid) , what a sexy car. It always drew a crowd. He always said it was his favorite car to drive....when it ran well. The problem was that it rarely ran well, and was the single most unreliable car he ever had. It spent a lotta time in the shop. I wished he had kept it too.

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A33 wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eWIrBOc3zE[/youtube]

:chuckle:

Then there's the old joke that the best two days of owning an old Jag are the day you buy it and the day you sell it.

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Bubba1 wrote:Then there's the old joke that the best two days of owning an old Jag are the day you buy it and the day you sell it.
:chuckle: So true

I have always had a love for Jags though. I've always wanted an late 90's XJ, but my wife always says no because "It looks like an old mans car" :rolleyes:

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I've always loved the XK8 Coupe too:

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Of course I have an obsession with big luxury cars and any type of wagon anyways. I'm honestly surprised I haven't bought something in that category yet...

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Thank You Jesda,

You have expressed the feeling of many gearheads with a simplicity and elegance that most people can't. It extends to more than luxury vehicles as well, and just as you said, "This isn’t the car’s fault."

As I grow older and more financially able to buy newer and newer cars, I keep coming back to the dreams of the past. Why did I love my 1991 Honda CRX so much, Why can't I get that again? But then I remember how much work and discomfort comes with an older car. My 1993 BMW 325i was infinitely more rewarding to drive than my friends e46 328i. It was rough and uncomfortable and ugly, but it felt like it had soul. Now I drive a 99 subaru outback and I wish for death. I hate everything about this car except the fact that it allows me to get to work.

Thanks for the write-up. You should get paid for this. Seriously, you have a non-biased journalistic approach while being opinionated, it is an art.

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Good writeup Jesda.  I definitely agree with you on all accounts, however it seems different nationalities of cars were in their primes at different time periods.  I think the best German cars were in the 80s, the best Japanese cars were in the 90s, and the best American cars were in the 2000s.
 
Case in point-  Look at any 80s MB and tell me (taking into consideration the time period) that is what an MB *should* be.  Also, anyone who drives an old E28 or E30 will love how those cars react.  I had an 84 533i, and it was a blast to drive with its 180HP, despite only having 4.5 gears (3rd gear didn't work).  It still looked good, you could tell it was old but still demanded respect for what it was.  It was probably the "easiest" car to drive ever, the visibility out of that car was incredible.  If I was a cop and someone driving an E28 claimed that a car was in their blind spot, I would give them a ticket for having a blind spot in their brain, because there are no blind spots in an E28.
 
Earlier this summer, in looking for an additional car to my Q45, I drove a few new Infiniti's and have to say I had the exact same sentiments as you did with the BMWs.  While the car was impressive as a sum of its parts, there wasn't anything "connecting" anything.  Driving a new G37, while it was "fast", "refined", and so on, just didn't feel right.  After I got back into my Q, I had this feeling of "home".  Like I belonged there.  It's like going to the strip club and getting a lap dance; its good for a little while but nothing there is worth hanging onto for a long time.  I would dare say that the 90-95 Q45 and 93-97 J30 are the best cars Infiniti has made, or may ever make, with a close second going to the 03/04 M45.
 
I finally settled on an 05 CTS-V to supplement my Q.  I've had it for a couple weeks now and I drive both cars on and off.  The Q has a better driving position, then engine is much more responsive despite having 100HP less and 1 less gear.  In a time period where GM didn't really know what they were doing, they really hit the nail on the head with the 04-07 CTS-V.  I believe its truly the only car with modern technology that is simple and "mechanical" enough to satisfy those who demand a level of "character" in their vehicles. 
 
Im glad I have both a CTS-V and a Q45.  They are so similar, yet so different.  I enjoy driving both of them roughly equally, but for completely different reasons. 


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