The Internals im gonna get.

[nismofly]

Jsut because ive finally got some money. Someone without any wants to put me down.

rofl! you said toki doesnt have any money!

thats why hes got a '99 and an '01 porsche 911 and an '88 944 turbo on top of his turbo s13 hatch

[BlackFlag_s13]

^^^ Lol, Just what I was gonna say, toki is much richer than alot of us on this forum...

You use the excuse that you've nevr built a KA before, but from the way you're talking it sounds as if you've never built any engine before.

To reiterate you will most definately want at least a .20 overbore. Stand-Alone engine management is definately something I'd consider if your goals are as lofty as 500whp. If a stand-alone is too expensive you might also have a look at the new-ish Greddy E-Manage Ultimate, which is a piggyback/stand-alone hybrid. Why would you spend 800 now for a ECU tune and an SAFC when eventually you will need to spend the 1500 for an EMS. Spend the 1500 now instead of the 2300 over time. As for the injectors, 1000cc's (96 #) are way overkill if you are to be starting with a T3/T4 at medium boost. 72 # injectors are good untill about 524hp. As mentioned before, Deatschwerks has great prices on injectors and are a NICO sponsor. Also I might suggest you use a Z32 MAF, because in reality (correct me if I'm wrong) the Cobra MAF's cannot flow that kind of power and JWT splices them to trick them into being able to sense that amount of airflow. This makes the MAF less accurate, IMO a Z32 or RB25 MAF would be the way to go... Good Luck

[nissanfanatic]

Quote »Why would you spend 800 now for a ECU tune and an SAFC when eventually you will need to spend the 1500 for an EMS[/quote]Oh IDK... maybe because he will prolly spend twice that before his car is boost-able...Like he is actually going to be capable of using its added abilities without a dyno or a professional tuner? NO... But a Tuned ECU is plug and play. No first timer needs a standalone. Tuned ECU is plenty capable of supporting his goals.. Even the 72lb/hr JWT tune would support his goal.

[nismofly]

structure240sx did make 523 rwhp on a jwt tune with the safc refinement

[DET_Monster]

trav, this is gonna cost some serious dough,

since its a DD, get a GT30Rget on turbo240.com under forums, groupbuys, ivan is selling *complete* engine kits that include everything you will need to build up the motor. take it to a machine shop to be assembled, or have ivan do it.

get jwt prog. for 72lb inj, z32 maf

fuel setup rail, inj, and walbro

and have good boost response, and a lot of power

have a nice day

[DET_Monster]

trav, PM me on Ka-t.org

[BlackFlag_s13]

I didn't ever say that high HP wasn't possible with an ECU tune and SAFC... Maybe I misunderstood him but I thought he said he was going to get and ECU and Piggyback now, and eventually upgrade to an EMS. I din't intend to put reflashed ECU's down or anything, lol, just trying to save the kid some money.

[TravBear2]

trav, this is gonna cost some serious dough,

since its a DD, get a GT30Rget on turbo240.com under forums, groupbuys, ivan is selling *complete* engine kits that include everything you will need to build up the motor. take it to a machine shop to be assembled, or have ivan do it.

get jwt prog. for 72lb inj, z32 maf

fuel setup rail, inj, and walbro

and have good boost response, and a lot of power

have a nice day

Thanks for the info. So the 72lbs would be plenty to push around 500? ALso is the z32 a direct bolt up or do i have to get some wierd connection for it to mate with the KA INtake MAni? Ill look into the turbo240.com kit. The only thing is that i want to put this together myself. I want to learn all i can about the motor. ALso im not big on paying others to do things for me.

rofl! you said toki doesnt have any money!

thats why hes got a '99 and an '01 porsche 911 and an '88 944 turbo on top of his turbo s13 hatch

Oh well. I dont know him and he doesnt know me. But he decided to assume. So i did so back.

Thanks for the ideas..

[huguetpj]

Yes I believe we all started from the bottom. But no, I did not started asked "advanced" questions without even knowing that my block can handle a 0.040 overbore before getting weak (says the FSM, first thing to buy before even thinking about turboing)... and it'll handle more but not for high boost. Nor did I question the answers I was given with a simple... I just don't wanna overbore my block.. don't really have a reason but I don't want to.

Now, back on track. My post was just as a heads-up that I believe you are trying to get way over your head here and it's going to cost you in the long run. Try to research and get answers for the basic stuff... or if you have the money, have Ivan build you a block.

I admire the way you wanna learn about your car, I share your passion as much as anyone else. It's just that I think you are targeting a bit too high without first asking the simple questions... or even doing a search.

Good luck on your project.

[huguetpj]

By the way, no pun intended but just saying you wanted 10.5 CR pistons and TITANIUM rods for turbo set off my ricer alarm... sorry if this is not the case.

[TravBear2]

By the way, no pun intended but just saying you wanted 10.5 CR pistons and TITANIUM rods for turbo set off my ricer alarm... sorry if this is not the case.

Definatly not the case... Also where did you research all the info you learned? Ive looked on the net but of course there are a lot of trash sites out there that dont really teach you anything. And searching in the forums here i cant really find much other then "This part broke. Help Me' posts

[virus77]

When I started reading forums back in the days I would go to the oldest page on the forum and click evey thread that looked interesting till my eyes bled late every night. Theres lots of good info out there if you dont suck and the internet.

[lilskyline240]

When I started reading forums back in the days I would go to the oldest page on the forum and click evey thread that looked interesting till my eyes bled late every night. Theres lots of good info out there if you dont suck and the internet.

Same way i started too....just good use the SEARCH button

[MarkEmark]

you're gonna wann run 9:1 or 8:5:1's for a ka-t.... no rods are needed UNLESS you want over 450 hp and something NOT daily driven... i would rethink ur list a lil bit more

Not true. Three of us destroyed engines with stock rods at power levels below 450 hp. Perhaps all of ours were anomolies, but chances are, they weren't.

My rods self-destructed at probably ~300whp. No over-revving, 1000 miles on a freshly built engine, NEVER abused. Foster's destroyed at 430 whp, Virus destroyed at ~350 or so whp. Titanium rods, however, are entirely unnecessary.

Also, i'm pretty sure Toki's signature about the porsches is a complete joke...

[nissanfanatic]

Research here:

http://stealth316.com/1-tech.htmhttp:// ... /tech.html

Both in the second sticky down.

[nissanfanatic]

Stock engines put out 300whp+ on a daily basis. NTM Elks 240 over on ka-t.org making 400+whp at the wheels right now on a completely stock bottom end. A lot of things can happen to cause parts to fail. Tampering being one. Maybe its the fact that from the factory, everything is assembled correctly for the setup. Like that stock rods are supposed to be torqued using angular tightening method and not just ft/lb method....Simply put, it just varies...

But I also say just go ahead and upgrade rods... Its no fun having to go back into the engine when you want more...

[TravBear2]

Not true. Three of us destroyed engines with stock rods at power levels below 450 hp. Perhaps all of ours were anomolies, but chances are, they weren't.

My rods self-destructed at probably ~300whp. No over-revving, 1000 miles on a freshly built engine, NEVER abused. Foster's destroyed at 430 whp, Virus destroyed at ~350 or so whp. Titanium rods, however, are entirely unnecessary.

Also, i'm pretty sure Toki's signature about the porsches is a complete joke...

Like i said. I just want something that can handle it all. I wont be using it all. But as i learn more and am able to handle more, then ill be glad its there.

Research here:

http://stealth316.com/1-tech.htmhttp:// ... /tech.html

Both in the second sticky down.

Ill check them out thanks.

[Jeff240sx]

http://www.jimwolftechnology.c...s.asp

Wow under there products section they have a Cobra MAF for a KA? Hmm maybe that was what i was talking about.

EDIT: Found the part number for you. To make it easier for you to find.

IMAFC-COBRA

You'd have to work really hard to come off as more of an a) schmuck and b) idiot.I have a cobra maf on my JWT ecu. I know exactly what it is, thanks.

The cobra MAF will only read about 300hp left alone. That's why JWT incorporates a signal splitter in the ecu tune, which degrades the signal by lowering the resolution, and isn't good for the high hp numbers. I don't know anyone in the 500s using a cobra sensor. JWT is experimenting using a Ford Lightning sensor, and will most likely be using that for the 96# ecu tune.So.. as I said before, call JWT and ask what sensor(s) work with the 96# tune. And 72# injectors I wouldn't push past 500hp daily. You'll never get there, but just in case...

How did I learn? I was on the 240 wagon before NICO existed. I turboed my KA when there was 1 kit, and a handfull of KA-T owners, and 350hp was the KA record; 4 years ago. -Jeff

[huguetpj]

Definatly not the case... Also where did you research all the info you learned? Ive looked on the net but of course there are a lot of trash sites out there that dont really teach you anything. And searching in the forums here i cant really find much other then "This part broke. Help Me' posts

So hopefully you'll stick around long enough to learn In the 3 years since I've been here I've several newbies come and go. It takes gust to stick around

How did I learn? Same as Virus did... or even worse... I use to be here day in and day out and read every single thread posted on KAT forum. Unfortunately I don't like the new forums so I've been a bit of stranger since they installed them. It's just a bit hard for me to keep track of threads without the email notice and jump to first new post link.

Anyway, hopefully you'll get answers to your questions. It's sometimes a bit hard to search through all the bad posts... but there are many good ones out there. I usually look for the most replies.

I turboed my KA when there was 1 kit, and a handfull of KA-T owners, and 350hp was the KA record; 4 years ago. -Jeff

How times change... huh Jeff? What was that first kit? Fmax? XS Eng?

[babowc]

goddamn, chill people..no reason to get all angry and offended on the web, just tell him whats wrong with his idea without offending him... not such a hard thing to do.

[toki]

rofl! you said toki doesnt have any money!

thats why hes got a '99 and an '01 porsche 911 and an '88 944 turbo on top of his turbo s13 hatch

I dont know if you're just playing in to the joke or not, but so he doesn't get confused, I'm just an 18 year old kid.

the fact you are ready to just throw money with ****, and then NOT listen to everyone telling you you are wrong is what puts you in the more money than brains catagory. The simple fact you couldn't grasp you need to bore a block with significant milage on it shows what kind of learning curve you're on. But dude, please, if you have all this money go build your 10.5:1 400whp pump gas motor. I would love to see that one dyno pull you get out of it.

edit: and learn the exact same way I and most everyone else did here, search, read and have patience. You should want to know exactly how everything in and on your car works if you have this 'passion.' Take nothing anyone says on forums seriously, research your own facts.

[TravBear2]

I dont know if you're just playing in to the joke or not, but so he doesn't get confused, I'm just an 18 year old kid.

the fact you are ready to just throw money with ****, and then NOT listen to everyone telling you you are wrong is what puts you in the more money than brains catagory. The simple fact you couldn't grasp you need to bore a block with significant milage on it shows what kind of learning curve you're on. But dude, please, if you have all this money go build your 10.5:1 400whp pump gas motor. I would love to see that one dyno pull you get out of it.

edit: and learn the exact same way I and most everyone else did here, search, read and have patience. You should want to know exactly how everything in and on your car works if you have this 'passion.' Take nothing anyone says on forums seriously, research your own facts.

Thats why im here... I dont have the car yet. Im waiting to sell my truck before is do this. That is why im asking questions and trying to learn. Ive searched these forums. But like i siad above all i get is a bunch of crappy *** posts that consist of someone needing help fixing something that is broken. Good info, but not what im looking for right now. And like I said, if i was all money you would be making my motor not me. Try searching for upgraded internals or something like that. Not sure exactly what different things i put in but....

And the only reason i started hitting back is because i was attacked. I didnt come here to get **** from everyone. I know that your gonna get some crap about stuff. But when someone like you tells me that im all money and no brains. then is say **** this. Instead of slaming everyone try to help them. I thought that was what this forum was.

[nissanfanatic]

Stay here for two years, and then come back and look at this post.

[Jookmasta]

so u need to get lower compression pistons.........um get the head worked while ur at it..............z32 maf...............800cc injectors or 700cc injectors would be fine for u. it will save cost on the fuel rail so just get the deatchwerks. i would get an adjustable fuel pressure regulator while your at it. crower cams would help. factory head gasket is fine (obviously get a new one).

[TravBear2]

Stay here for two years, and then come back and look at this post.

Oh im sure ill be like WTF? But it will be because of this post that i learned some things. So its not all bad.

[virus77]

Stay here for two years, and then come back and look at this post.

QFT

[TravBear2]

800cc injectors or 700cc injectors would be fine for u. it will save cost on the fuel rail so just get the deatchwerks.

So a set off 800c injector would be able to get me up to the 500 range?

[Chaotic_Warlord]

but im tellin u right now, a 500hp, or even 400hp daily driver...is NOT a smart plan....

Why do you say that, seems to me there are more than a few 400-500HP daily drivers out there.

I don't usually post in the KA-T forums since I am just KA and no T, but I do read a lot of the posts in here; which is how I learned that stock rods are not a good idea if you want to turbo your KA. I just want to mention something else, I don know if anyone else saw it but... back on the 1st page about halfway down dude said and this is a direct quote (cue slow motion voice)

I dont have the car yet and am asking questions so that i can learn.

I understnad your passion for cars believe me dude I started out with an '84 Old Cutlass, then an 89 240, a 91 Mazda MX6 and a 96 Galant, I have owned some cars that have practiically no aftermarket support at all, you just try to find parts for a 1G MX6, aint gonna happen. I may ask questions but I have quotes and knowledge to back up what I'm asking and I also own the car I am asking questions about. I'm not trying to be a d!ck here but some of the flack you've recieved you asked for. I understand wanting to learn thats part of the reason why I'm on here, but you have 51 posts, and you are backtalking guys who have more than a couple hundred, and I'd be willing to say that the bulk of those posts aren't GC thread whoring because these guys pretty much stay in here.

Now I will say that while I was planning on getting 9:1 standard bore for my car through this thread I have learned that maybe I should just suck it up and get the .050 over bore pistons because I am trying to build up a block that has more than 200K on it.

Maybe I'll just save the money I was gonna use on parts and just buy the full built block that PhatKa-t is selling on his site. Hey if it works for him and his buddies to push 638HP to the wheels and didnt grenade then by golly I'm sure it'll hold 350 to the wheels for my car. Though I may peek on occasion at what 34PSI feels like.

[TravBear2]

I may ask questions but I have quotes and knowledge to back up what I'm asking and I also own the car I am asking questions about. I'm not trying to be a d!ck here but some of the flack you've recieved you asked for. I understand wanting to learn thats part of the reason why I'm on here, but you have 51 posts, and you are backtalking guys who have more than a couple hundred, and I'd be willing to say that the bulk of those posts aren't GC thread whoring because these guys pretty much stay in here.

Why do i have to own the car? Im trying to learn this all so that when my truck sells, i wont be trying to play catch up. Ill know what to get and wont have to sit around doing it later. And i have owned a 240. I had one for 3 years but had to sell it to a friend when i moved.

Just because i have 51 posts doesnt mean anything. Doesnt mean that i havent read anything. And defending myself isnt considered back talking. If someone comes out and tells you that your ****ing stupid and dont know ****, are you just gonna sit there? I dont think so. Im trying to learn and all i got was ****... If it was a stupid idea it doesnt mean im stupid, it means that from their years of experiance they have learned that what i was asking didnt work. So just say, probably not gonna work. Not that hard to do.