The Grey Album???
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MaineExport
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That being said... you have to give him an incentive to drink. There's a plethora of ways to do that.... ask an educator.
This is NICO. I don't have to pull punches or sugar coat anything. Everyone who signed up for this "course" is here of their own free will.
There has been some good discourse under taken here but I think about this art form every day, day in day out for the last 2+ decades.
I certainly bear a burden. I listen to everything all the time. Every commercial, bumper music, elevator music, background music on and on and on... It's my job. However, I have enjoyed the hair tingling shivers of true beauty more than anyone here. That is the privilege of being able to make music for a living. It has a price and it is sometimes dear but all in all I'm coming out ahead. So far. (knock wood)
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VimyJ wrote:Like I've said before, it's "A Brave New World".
Is this your motto or something?
Quote »You're dead on there.[/quote]
Someone has a hard time with sarcasm.
Quote »Where does that come from? Can't I play my screaming salsa music anymore? Or my Mahler 2? [/quote]
Again, missing the sarcasm. My reference was to make a point about your arrogance towards anything that isn't live. Speakers seemto be such an injustice to your tastes.
Quote »If you aren't any good after 20 minutes you'll never work professionally. However, if you've ben a pro player for 20 years then you are probably at least pretty decent (unless you stop practicing and are in a tenured situation somewhere). The more you play, the better you get.[/quote]
You have a knack at missing the point of a message. I tried to put it in the context of music so maybe you would understand the argument, but perhaps I gave you too much credit.
Quote »Modern music? Well if you say hip hop is modern. More like a throw back. I'm asking you to enlarge your critical facilities. Doesn't matter what you listen to to me either. Knock yourself out.[/quote]
Why should I? Are you trying to turn me into you? It is my choice to listen to what I want. Not everyone cares to look at music the same way as you do. Not everyone cares to. You can be critical of whatever music you want. I could care less. But there is no reason to be judgemental of the people who listen to the music you might not like. Everyone has different tastes.
Quote »Soma?[/quote]
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Quote »Hear that Maine? I'm a teacher now. You can lead a horse to water....[/quote]
'Try' is the key word here. Get over yourself.
Quote »Don't be so quick to judge yourself. And, don't sell yourself short. There is a world of sound out there with which you have no experience. [/quote]
Yes, but as I've said from the beginning, I will listen to just about anything. Even if it comes from an orchestra. Hell, my original post was trying to pass the message on to be more open-minded about music. So either you think of yourself as some music god and feel you must chime in so everyone knows it, or my original message struck a nerve because you felt it was directed towards you...
Um, what does insurance adjusting have to do with music. professor?
Actually, the composer, Charles Ives, was a very successful insurance salesman. He made quite a mark among some though I don't especially care for his vision. He did do some interesting things though.
I get over myself every day. I can't even make through my warm up with out making a mistake and I've been doing the same one (with variations) since 1994.
I should have said 20 seconds in my previous post. 20 seconds is a long time in music especially if you are relying on your own resources and not the power grid.
I presume you never read "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley. Definitely worth the read.
Actually, the composer, Charles Ives, was a very successful insurance salesman. He made quite a mark among some though I don't especially care for his vision. He did do some interesting things though.
I get over myself every day. I can't even make through my warm up with out making a mistake and I've been doing the same one (with variations) since 1994.
I should have said 20 seconds in my previous post. 20 seconds is a long time in music especially if you are relying on your own resources and not the power grid.
I presume you never read "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley. Definitely worth the read.
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VimyJ wrote:I certainly bear a burden. I listen to everything all the time. Every commercial, bumper music, elevator music, background music on and on and on... It's my job. However, I have enjoyed the hair tingling shivers of true beauty more than anyone here. That is the privilege of being able to make music for a living. It has a price and it is sometimes dear but all in all I'm coming out ahead. So far. (knock wood)
Who says? What you fail to recognize is that someone else can get the same feeling from a different kind of music. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Why do you feel that we need to fill your shoes in order to appreciate music?
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^good point.^ i think we all need to listen to Nasir Jones. He says more stuff in one line than other people do in a whole album. i know this is probably off the present subject, but after reading the first page (didn't feel like reading all the damn pages), a lot of people were dissing rap/hip hop. If you still think hip hop is crap after listening to one Nas album, your probably just stuck on stupid and still watchin MTV/BET/listening to the radio.
and some 1 on the first page said the re-make of that police song made by puff daddy/p-diddy/ Sean Combs ,i know he re-makes everything and it sux..but, as weak as it was,...did you even listen to the song? i personally don't like p-diddy, but that song ment a lot. .. i just had to put in my thoughts becuz music is one of the best things ever created. 1.
and some 1 on the first page said the re-make of that police song made by puff daddy/p-diddy/ Sean Combs ,i know he re-makes everything and it sux..but, as weak as it was,...did you even listen to the song? i personally don't like p-diddy, but that song ment a lot. .. i just had to put in my thoughts becuz music is one of the best things ever created. 1.
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I'm not going to argue w/ you (especially about Sean Combs) becuz its obvious you're never wrong about anything....no offense....but NE wayz, the only reason why Tupac & B.I.G. are dead is becuz of Diddy & Shuge Knight only thinking about MONEY. so i guess in a wayi do agree w/ you on the publicity stunt..but the song still ment more than just that.
Anyone care to explain why rappers have a proclivity to shoot each other? Is it because one finds another one so much better than themselves that their livelihood is threatened? Or is it because one finds another so devoid of talent that they deserve to die? If you're capped by another rapper, should you consider it a compliment? What is it about rap that raises the stakes to dirt naps?
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VimyJ wrote:Anyone care to explain why rappers have a proclivity to shoot each other? Is it because one finds another one so much better than themselves that their livelihood is threatened? Or is it because one finds another so devoid of talent that they deserve to die? If you're capped by another rapper, should you consider it a compliment? What is it about rap that raises the stakes to dirt naps?
It's not rap that causes them to shoot each other. It's the type of lives that most rappers live. Like most people, the core of who they are doesn't change because of money or fame. And in fact, I'd speculate that many hang onto so much of their pride that to look weakened by fame and money forces them to act that way. We lost two great artists over very needless hatred that stemmed from a he said/she said issue. Namely that Biggie set-up Tupac. There may have been some other issues, but this is the big one, since Tupac got shot in the incident. I only hope that others learn from this. The world is certainly big enough for all of us.
C-Kwik wrote:It's not rap that causes them to shoot each other. It's the type of lives that most rappers live. Like most people, the core of who they are doesn't change because of money or fame. And in fact, I'd speculate that many hang onto so much of their pride that to look weakened by fame and money forces them to act that way. We lost two great artists over very needless hatred that stemmed from a he said/she said issue. Namely that Biggie set-up Tupac. There may have been some other issues, but this is the big one, since Tupac got shot in the incident. I only hope that others learn from this. The world is certainly big enough for all of us.
Come on! They're idiots! That's why they shoot each other.
Desparate for fame. Fame at all costs. The world isn't big enough for two Wizards of Oz. Don't look behind the curtain or you'll see emporers with no clothes.
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ok...people are always talking about rappers killing rappers....how come no body ever talks about rockers killing rockers. No not two of em' shooting at eachother, but one shooting (up) himself. how many rappers have you ever heard of dying becuz of an overdose? how many rockers (or wut ever they're called)? thats right. so if you're trying to say rappers are dumb for shooting at eachother, (even though it hardly ever happenes) at least their smart enough not to kill themselves.
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J-Live, one of the greatest rappers ever. He was a 3rd grade teacher. (probably was a drug dealer)
Mos Def, a classically trained actor who switched to rapping.
Talib kweli studied film at N.Y.U. before becoming a rap artisthose sound like uneducated drug dealers to me. for every 50 cent theres one of these guys but you wouldn't mention that would you?
It's occured more times than rappers shooting each other, in fact the only time i know of it actually becoming violence is big and tupac. i have no idea why it's not an issue. the only o.d. that was really covered by the media was kobain. of course big and tupac would get more publicity then most of the artists that shoot up and killed themselves. big and pac where better artists then all of them except maybe kobain Brad Nowell and hillel slovak and definately more famous then all of them except maybe kobain(at time of death not after). vimy wouldn't admit to the stupidity of these guys.
Mos Def, a classically trained actor who switched to rapping.
Talib kweli studied film at N.Y.U. before becoming a rap artisthose sound like uneducated drug dealers to me. for every 50 cent theres one of these guys but you wouldn't mention that would you?
.BuLLeTdrift wrote:ok...people are always talking about rappers killing rappers....how come no body ever talks about rockers killing rockers. No not two of em' shooting at eachother, but one shooting (up) himself. how many rappers have you ever heard of dying becuz of an overdose? how many rockers (or wut ever they're called)? thats right. so if you're trying to say rappers are dumb for shooting at eachother, (even though it hardly ever happenes) at least their smart enough not to kill themselves.
It's occured more times than rappers shooting each other, in fact the only time i know of it actually becoming violence is big and tupac. i have no idea why it's not an issue. the only o.d. that was really covered by the media was kobain. of course big and tupac would get more publicity then most of the artists that shoot up and killed themselves. big and pac where better artists then all of them except maybe kobain Brad Nowell and hillel slovak and definately more famous then all of them except maybe kobain(at time of death not after). vimy wouldn't admit to the stupidity of these guys.
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J-Live, one of the greatest rappers ever. He was a 3rd grade teacher. (probably was a drug dealer)
"Mos Def, a classically trained actor who switched to rapping.
Talib kweli studied film at N.Y.U. before becoming a rap artisthose sound like uneducated drug dealers to me. for every 50 cent theres one of these guys but you wouldn't mention that would you?"
Hey, it just makes my point. These guys aren't musicians. None of them are. They're grade school teachers or drug dealers. I have no qualms about refering to them as poets but musicians they're not.
Suicide is a different concept than homocide. Ego fueled murders? Upon what are their egos founded that raises the stakes to murder? Why is eminem fueding with that other guy to the point that it is attracting police attention? Egos based on what?
"Mos Def, a classically trained actor who switched to rapping.
Talib kweli studied film at N.Y.U. before becoming a rap artisthose sound like uneducated drug dealers to me. for every 50 cent theres one of these guys but you wouldn't mention that would you?"
Hey, it just makes my point. These guys aren't musicians. None of them are. They're grade school teachers or drug dealers. I have no qualms about refering to them as poets but musicians they're not.
Suicide is a different concept than homocide. Ego fueled murders? Upon what are their egos founded that raises the stakes to murder? Why is eminem fueding with that other guy to the point that it is attracting police attention? Egos based on what?
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I know you love the dictionary so here we go...
mu·si·cian ( P ) Pronunciation Key (my-zshn)n. One who composes, conducts, or performs music, especially instrumental music.
per·form ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-fôrm)v. per·formed, per·form·ing, per·forms v. tr.To begin and carry through to completion; do: The surgeon performed the operation. To take action in accordance with the requirements of; fulfill: perform one's contractual obligations.
To enact (a feat or role) before an audience. To give a public presentation of; present: My theater group performed a three-act play.
mu·sic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (myzk)n. The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre. Vocal or instrumental sounds possessing a degree of melody, harmony, or rhythm. they seem like musicians to me.
And on the homocide so far i know of 2. you show me some other ones. Humans f*** up, some people attract police attention. Tommy lee beat the **** out of pam. Sid Vicious killed someone. bad apples arent limited to a genre they are a part of the human race
mu·si·cian ( P ) Pronunciation Key (my-zshn)n. One who composes, conducts, or performs music, especially instrumental music.
per·form ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-fôrm)v. per·formed, per·form·ing, per·forms v. tr.To begin and carry through to completion; do: The surgeon performed the operation. To take action in accordance with the requirements of; fulfill: perform one's contractual obligations.
To enact (a feat or role) before an audience. To give a public presentation of; present: My theater group performed a three-act play.
mu·sic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (myzk)n. The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre. Vocal or instrumental sounds possessing a degree of melody, harmony, or rhythm. they seem like musicians to me.
And on the homocide so far i know of 2. you show me some other ones. Humans f*** up, some people attract police attention. Tommy lee beat the **** out of pam. Sid Vicious killed someone. bad apples arent limited to a genre they are a part of the human race
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I love defining the terms involved in a debate. Your defintions bolster my case as there is litle melody, harmony or manipulations of timbre present in Rap. It's called rapping not singing. It derives from the Rasta dub poets. Don't be fooled by the record labels who call a thing something that it is not. They're just interested in profiting off you as you well know.
"and every example i named plays an instrument to top it off, not that if they didn't it would make them any less a musician."
If they don't play an instrument and don't sing, how could they be a musician based on the definitions you kindly provided. Poets? Certainly.
"and every example i named plays an instrument to top it off, not that if they didn't it would make them any less a musician."
If they don't play an instrument and don't sing, how could they be a musician based on the definitions you kindly provided. Poets? Certainly.
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you didnt respond to my little tidbit about violence.
manipulation of timbre i understand the lack there of to manipulate timbre, vocally, i suppose it would have to be sung even though you can to a lesser degree just speaking (i think? actually your expertise would be helpful if you could help me with more than my general knowledge of timbre) but melody and harmony? you can correct me because you are the expert here but there isnt a lack of melody they sounds are organized so they relate to each other while still relating to the peice or idea a whole. and harmony in its simplest term is being pleasing to the ear. It may not be pleasing to your ear but my ear is doing just fine.
manipulation of timbre i understand the lack there of to manipulate timbre, vocally, i suppose it would have to be sung even though you can to a lesser degree just speaking (i think? actually your expertise would be helpful if you could help me with more than my general knowledge of timbre) but melody and harmony? you can correct me because you are the expert here but there isnt a lack of melody they sounds are organized so they relate to each other while still relating to the peice or idea a whole. and harmony in its simplest term is being pleasing to the ear. It may not be pleasing to your ear but my ear is doing just fine.
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