The Golden Rule

[qship96]

Shoot from the hip Wes, we know what has been keeping you from all things Q......whats her name????

[maxnix]

First off, I'd like to apologize for my inactivity..

No one is forcing you to say anything, so if theres nothing constructing being said, why say it? IT doesnt help anything!

I was really hoping that since we are dealing with a slightly older demographic that if I or anyone "in charge" was gone for any length of time that maybe we'd be able to handle ourselves so we can share the same sandbox.

Good to see you back, Wes. Hopefully we can help you with your nagging issues with your Q45.

Some people just like to read their own posts featuring some vitriolic but irrelevant commentary that assuages their inferiority complex. So sad, but I guess we can only expect bleed over from the Hyundai forums.

Unfortunately, since the market value of the car has fallen so low, we get a lot of low ballers who think it is cool to have a imported V8 until they understand it is not a Chevy and it requires intelligence to care for it. They slap on a few NAPA parts, don't understand why they don't work, post a few irrelevant posts about how they've worked on modded Chevy's and Hondas all their life (all 5 years of semi-adulthood), then post their cars for sale wth a few "minor" issues and then are gone forever.

3 or 4 years ago, this topic would never have been broached.

[maxnix]

^ I can do what ever the hell I want with my car as long as I don't drive it on public roads.

The laws made are laws pertaining to public roads. If I want to build a car for Racing and only drive it on the track I have the right to do so.

No new information here.

You can even enter a destruction derby if you want!

In fact, many "new" (3rd and 4th) owners do, only it's very slow, on public roads, and they are their car's own worst enemy.

So back to the cars..........please!

[96Qowner]

I'm currently the "full time" Moderator for this forum, so any complaints are my fault.

I'm an old guy and I've been posting on forums for many years, so I'm not much into the high drama that so many seem to enjoy. I detest having to break up arguments between people who claim to be adults. I figure that people who act like A-holes must enjoy being A-holes, and through the years I've come to realize that nothing I do is going to change that. I just ignore them and hope that others can learn to do the same. Yes, nothing requires anyone to post if they have nothing to say. But, again, I've never noticed that pointing out such an obvious thing changes how people behave on an online forum. Yes, people post things in a manner that they never would in r/l.

So, uh huh, we could issue warnings to folks, and delete posts, and even ban people. But I see very few offenses worth banning a member - mostly just irrelevant, self-serving posts that are not at all helpful to the original poster. Do we ride this forum with a hard hand? Why? On the one hand, we want easy natural banter. On the other hand, we don't want people to be A-holes.

Since we're all grownups (most of us) we're responsible for what we say. On a searchable forum, the things we say never disappear. They're all there to study, whereas in r/l a person can claim that he didn't really say what he said and no one can go back and replay and study it - it just passes. Not on a forum. The people who post like A-holes are always going to be known as A-holes. Suit yourselves.

I delete posts that consist of nothing but an insult. That rarely happens. What happens, as Mike says, it that people just refuse to be terribly helpful. So, as a Moderator, how do I force people to be helpful? I don't. That's the choice of each and every one of the regulars that take their time to volunteer to be helpful. They're volunteering.

Yes, part of the change we're seeing is the aging of the G50 and the Q45 in general. We're getting more of the kind of owner that doesn't respect the car as most of us respect it. What used to be a $6000 car is now a $800 car. Few new buyers of G50s give a rat's behind for bringing the car back to its magnificent glory, so it's frustrating for those of us who appreciate it for what it is.

Also, every problem, every quirk, has been thoroughly examined in past threads, and most of us remember that. Those who used to be very engaged and helpful have just gotten tired of patiently going through every step for a new owner. Our posts grow shorter and less detailed. We use shorthand. We tell people to take a look at the GD manual, for pete's sake, or, gosh, try searching maybe, huh? Not terribly helpful to a newbie. But don't forget what happens when someone comes here with a great attitude and a sincere desire to listen to Q45 experts.

Most recently, heatherin951 came to us with a troubling transmission problem. She has listened, followed up on our advice, tackled the problem in a rational step-by-step process and is narrowing it down. She got great help. It used to be that most new posters came with that attitude and were impressed and grateful for the advice. That is changing, and it's frustrating for the regulars. Yes, many of the new posters are just looking for an excuse to be all offended and to argue with us - not helpful to anyone, so we have to take on an additional burden of patience.

I've never really understood why people take the time to post if they don't have anything helpful to say, but I've also noticed that it continues, year after year, on any particular forum you choose to read - that's just the way online forums are. I would advise people who roll their eyes at yet another post about something we've covered a gazillion times to do a search, since we know the threads are there, and offer them for the newbie to read, instead of issuing useless, unhelpful opinions about him or his desire to put dubs on his ratty old valve-cover smoking, suspension rotted, piece of crap G50.

No Moderator is going to change this forum by greeting a newbie if the rest of us don't step up.

Mike, again I say you are one of the most valuable posters on this forum. Perhaps others might like to be as helpful. If not, nothing will change no matter how much anyone cajoles or complains.

The Golden Rule - nice way to put it.

[Jesda]

Well Jesda at least you expended some effort !!!!!! What are you driving now?

LOL, indeed! I actually got $10 from various NICO members! All of it went toward the chain guides. A very generous person on this forum did the work for me at his farm and allowed me to make payments for his labor cost. I was often broke back then.

Every damn day I miss that stupid Q, and I'm glad a NICO member currently owns it.

[maxnix]

1.) I delete posts that consist of nothing but an insult.

2.) That rarely happens.

While we certainly appreceiate your time dedicated to the forum, I concur that 2.) indeed rarely happens when 1.) occurs.

I don't see how one, much less a moderator, could miss so many "You suck!" postings unless they are not being read. Perhaps you need help to monitor even the useless threads? I know that it is painful to read some of the trash threads on this board, but someone has to. Additionally, many misspellings and inappropriate thread titles are rendering this Forum less searchable every day.

Not to criticize your effort at all, but I think you do need some assisstance. If you don't set the standards, then they will slowly decline as they have over the last few years. The Forum needs someone to buck up besides the few remaining original members, or we will become just another typical fanboy board with no relevance to anything but newbie maladjusted personalaity ventings.

As I have said, 3 or 4 years ago, this topic would not have needed broaching.

[96Qowner]

Since we're all grownups (most of us) we're responsible for what we say. On a searchable forum, the things we say never disappear. They're all there to study, whereas in r/l a person can claim that he didn't really say what he said and no one can go back and replay and study it - it just passes. Not on a forum. The people who post like A-holes are always going to be known as A-holes. Suit yourselves.

Do a search for all posts by maxnix, Brian.

[captainluigi]

I'll give a big AMEN to that!

[Infinitiguy19]

I don't why I am going to post this but here goes:

Brian is an original who beleves in keeping the Infiniti (Q45,J30 ect...) pure OEM which is great, But he gets mad at dumb people which is understandable because if you devote your free time (for free by the way) to people who don't want to read the service manual for starter or even older posts by great people such as him. Then you would act like him.

but what people don't understand is just ignore his bad attitude and use what advice he gives and put it towards your car.

So people like Q45tech, Qship96, Maxnix and me may sound like A-holes (Not my word by the way) but I am sure we all mean well.

I will admit With my first car (1991 Q45) which I miss everday I was an idiot here, I read my old posts like (does the trip odometer tell you how much fuel you have left. And many more threads). Hell I still post bad titled posts but I think I am much less of an idiot when it comes to this board because of the above posters who "sound like A-Holes" but I read some posts, Read the FSM damn near have the important stuff memorized and now I am a better person.

Thats my .2 cents.

[AZhitman]

It's real easy to be a critic when you drive your car to the dealer, drop it off, and offer some semi-helpful but unsubstantiated guess on what you think MIGHT be wrong with your car...

We have 3 types of Q45 owners in here:

There are the old-school Q owners who worship at the "Altar of Dennis" and I can appreciate that - Dennis has been a godsend for this forum and the hundreds of people he's helped over the years.

Then there are the "faux ballers" who picked up a cosmetically passable Q for $1500 and plan to do everything BUT maintain it properly, and expect a magic wand from us, the experts.

Most people who own a Q45 fall somewhere in between. I was one of them.

If someone comes in here looking for help, offer some direction to the best of your ability, or don't post. Simple as that.

Keep your snide commentary to yourself unless your mechanical acumen exceeds theirs (Dennis gets a free pass on snide comments, simply because his are actually humorous).

Likewise, we don't suffer fools gladly. But I can guarantee you that we probably miss a TON of opportunities to be helpful to people because their FIRST impression of us is a bunch of broomstick-in-the-arse curmudgeons.

When the day is done, the 90-96 Q45 is NOT the Saturn V rocket. It's NOT as complex as many here (including myself until very recently) have made it out to be. My G35 Coupe is a technological tour de force in comparison, and I'm not afraid to break out the FSM and tools and do what the dealer techs do.

Remember, most dealer techs probably would have preferred to be engineers, physicists, chemists, doctors, lawyers, or designers. We all have the capacity to learn what they know and to comprehend these mechanical bits.

[bullittandy]

Would it be okay if we cut the sh*t?

There are only a few people who are regularly and consistently insulting. They are in no particular order:MaxnixQ45techqship96

I think that this and all the other threads like this should be dedicated to them. If the message was very clear that no amount of information excused poor manners then I think we'd be all right. However, I'm Scandanavian and have a natural built in problem with "authority."

[qship96]

Would it be okay if we cut the sh*t?

There are only a few people who are regularly and consistently insulting. They are in no particular order:MaxnixQ45techqship96

I think that this and all the other threads like this should be dedicated to them. If the message was very clear that no amount of information excused poor manners then I think we'd be all right. However, I'm Scandanavian and have a natural built in problem with "authority."

Andy, thats the pot calling the kettle black isnt it??? Plenty of posts of yours here insulting maxnix in threads where it is totally inappropriate and out of line....threads where you arnt even involved in you jump in with your negative comments....maybe the dirty diapers are clouding your judgement here just a little?????

[oldmako]

Would it be okay if we cut the sh*t?

There are only a few people who are regularly and consistently insulting.

Ayup!

[Jesda]

You all smell like cabbage.

[yodawill2000]

MMmmmm .Corn beef and Cabbage ownz joo.