The Facts

[CakeDaddy]

If you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."



*If you grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, yours is a quintessential American story.



*If your name is Barack, you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.



*Name your kids Willow ,Trig and Track, you're a maverick.



*Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.



*Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded. (This is on her resume')



*If you spend 3 years as a community organizer; become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review; create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters; spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor; spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people; become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee' spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.



* If your total resume is: local weather girl; 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people; 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second-highest-ranking executive and next in line behind a man in his eighth decade.



*If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.



*If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and then left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a true Christian.





*If you teach responsible, age-appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.



*If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.



*If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner-city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America 's.



* If your husband is nicknamed "First Dude," with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA , your family is extremely admirable.



OK, much clearer now.

[HashiriyaS14]

I'll sit here and wait for one of the conservatives to post up an identical-but-oppositely-slanted version of the OP, lol.

I happen to agree with most of this version personally, although I admit that one could very easily present a similar but contrary version that would make the GOP look good.

[Cold_Zero]

All I have to say is, "Your Damn Right." Go Palin!

[marlin29311]

Wow, thanks for the indepth and super analytical analysis. I think I just wasted 3 minutes of my time reading this.

[audtatious]

If you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."

You mean the white grandmother that you threw under the bus as a racist? The one you don't seem to have time to visit even when you are in Hawaii? The one whom you never seem to spend time with either personally or with your family until she is on deaths door?

I don't think growing up in Hawaii is exotic just as I don't think growing up in Alaska is exotic. Then again, Obama didn't necessarily spend his childhood growing up in Hawaii either so I guess he can't claim an exotic lifestyle from that perspective.

*If you grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, yours is a quintessential American story.

Nope, just more like the blue collar rednecks that like venison.

*If your name is Barack, you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

Are we talking his birth name? Oh, you mean what he changed it to....Radical? Maybe. Muslim? no.

*Name your kids Willow ,Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

Or high after eating mooseburgers

*Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.

Too general, need to give us more of a statement on this one. Then again, you know what they say about lawyers at the bottom of the sea.

*Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded. (This is on her resume')

Ah, comes from a common mans background. I assume you mean she can't be near as smart as those Dems that graduate from them there Ivy League schools, right? If it were not for those smart Dems the stupid population would have nobody to straighten them out.

*If you spend 3 years as a community organizer; become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review; create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters; spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor; spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people; become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee' spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

WOW. Sounds really impressive until you break down each one.

* If your total resume is: local weather girl; 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people; 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second-highest-ranking executive and next in line behind a man in his eighth decade.

Yep. Being a Governor and having to deal with state issues and budgets are things you don't need when you are a VP. Not having that knowledge is what you need as per Obama supporters.

*If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

I didn't think real Christians were supposed to preach hate? Maybe I simply went to the wrong church. I feel like I missed out

*If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and then left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a true Christian.

Seems to be doing the "do what cha wanna do" philosophy of the liberal left. What's wrong with that?

*If you teach responsible, age-appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

Because Kindergartners all need to know how to put a condom on a banana. Hell, if their parents did not go to Harvard then they probably do.

*If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.

Instead you should teach your children that having sex at 13 is absolutely fine as long as you have a credit card and the address of the nearest abortion clinic.

*If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner-city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America 's.

Never hurts to give things up to make a huge salary at a hospital where your husband is around to make multi-million dollar donations to while having a friend who will go out of their way to make sure you have the house and property that you want but can't afford.

* If your husband is nicknamed "First Dude," with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA , your family is extremely admirable.

The "First Dude" should suffer for that DWI from 25 years ago as he is running for VP...errr...wait....errrr.......Maybe he should have just used cocaine and smoked pot while in a school in which no records are available. That makes you a hero. Having a wife that hates the USA, a minister who hates whitey, a racist grandmother, a buddy who probably wrote your first book who is a proclaimed terrorlst, a buddy who helps you get the property that you want that is a felon and mentors who are known socialists and communists makes you the next Democratic Presidential nominee.



Yes, much clearer now.

[AZhitman]

Cleanup on Aisle 9?

[HashiriyaS14]

Nope, just more like the blue collar rednecks that like venison.

Them's fightin' words, mate.

We white-collar rednecks like venison too. I was liberated of $42 at a DC restaurant this past Sunday for a rack o' Bambi. Mmm Mmm delicious.

Anyway, to the OP, you were asking for it, lol. Again, I happen to agree with you, but Matt just demonstrated that two can play at the game of drawing up a slanted-sounding list of contrasting credentials.

Live and learn.

[audtatious]

Them's fightin' words, mate.

We white-collar rednecks like venison too. I was liberated of $42 at a DC restaurant this past Sunday for a rack o' Bambi. Mmm Mmm delicious.

How about beaver?

Nope...nope....most men in general like to get some beaver too

[telcoman]

Time to face reality

http://www.businessweek.com/ma...aging

Telcoman

[audtatious]

Lame

[confedup]

All I have to say is, "Your Damn Right." Go Palin!

[telcoman]

Lame

Notice how some here like McCain Palin spend more time not discussing actual issues like the economy, health care, taxes because you cannot win on those issues.

95% of the American families earn less than $250k a year and therefore will see a tax cut under Obama's tax plan.

Over 90 million Americans receive employer based healthcare and will have to pay income tax on their healthcare under McCain's misguided healthcare plan.

The government takeover of the banks is a partial socialism that McCain voted for.

The vast majority of voters are not fools and Obama's poll numbers continue to rise along with strong early voting by his supporters.

No one cares anymore about Ayres, Wright, lip stick and all the other BS the right has been throwing up attempting to avoid discussing real issues.

Telcoman

[audtatious]

Notice how some here like McCain Palin spend more time not discussing actual issues like the economy, health care, taxes because you cannot win on those issues.

Dude, please. We have smashed everything you have posted up and get tired of trying to get you to debate your own points. I could waste my time posting up where you are wrong and like someone with ADD you will go off on a side tangent and never return to the rebuttal.

Not worth my time.

[OriginalWheelman]

95% of the American families earn less than $250k a year and therefore will see a tax cut under Obama's tax plan.

A $30 tax cut maybe. So that's an extra eight cents a day, thanks for covering the tax on my morning coffee Obama.

The government takeover of the banks is a partial socialism that McCain voted for.

It was a necessary step to keep our economy from crumbling. Socialism is a broad stretch. The way I see it, its more than likely cheaper than paying out the $100k per investor from the FDIC.

Obama's poll numbers continue to rise along with strong early voting by his supporters.

Pols don't win elections. People voting early is just silly imo. More self righteous people who need to find a way to feel superior to other people for another day.

[HashiriyaS14]

Pols don't win elections. People voting early is just silly imo. More self righteous people who need to find a way to feel superior to other people for another day.

Polls ARE, however, indicative of likely election results.

Find me a few Presidents who have won even though they were 6 points down in national polls and 100+ electoral votes behind? Take your time, I'll wait.

Traditionally, early voting has been dominated by Republicans (it was in 2000 and 2004).

People generally vote early because they expect to be unavailable on election day, likely not because they want to "feel more important".

[OriginalWheelman]

People generally vote early because they expect to be unavailable on election day, likely not because they want to "feel more important".

Generally, but with this election there is this seemingly trendy push to vote early via the absentee system, just to vote early. That's what I was referencing, not legitimate absentees.

I'll get back to you on polls but you have to remember that this election is dominated by web polls. Web polls are more likely to be bias towards younger people, as they are more tech savvy, and younger people are often aligned with the democratic cause. So I don't take these polls very seriously.

[audtatious]

Even polls like Gallup only survey 2500 people or less. Not saying they are polling improperly but it is known there are factors beyond their control. Online polls are worthless as both the right and left blogs and websites point members to them in order to flood the numbers.

[AZhitman]

Obama's poll numbers continue to rise along with strong early voting by his supporters.

Interesting that you're the only one who has access to this information, given the early ballots are locked up.

BTW, I voted early because I'll be out of the state.

I don't need to vote to "feel important".

[audtatious]

There is a lot more scrutiny going on this election than previous too. Like that house in Ohio that has 13+ out of state people living there who are voting for Obama (some have already cast their votes). It's getting to the point that voting is almost worthless as it requires 3:2 Republican votes to simply get over the voting ethics of the Dems. No, I'm not saying the Dems are the only ones but they seem to have the market cornered in this election.

[HashiriyaS14]

I'll get back to you on polls but you have to remember that this election is dominated by web polls. Web polls are more likely to be bias towards younger people, as they are more tech savvy, and younger people are often aligned with the democratic cause. So I don't take these polls very seriously.

Where did you hear that most polls are web polls? This cannot be further from the truth.

Rasmussen, Gallup, Quinnipiac, Research 2000, CNN, AP, etc are all PHONE polls. Phone polls are actually biased towards OLDER people, as they don't tend to take into account younger voters who only own cell phones and no landlines.

All the major respected polls are done by telephone.

Naturally, you can deny the trend all you want, we'll see on the 4th. Also naturally, if Obama wins, many McCain supporters will doubtless claim widespread voter fraud even if there is no evidence.

[OriginalWheelman]

People still have house phones? o.O How do they decide who to call? You're still at the mercy of the people who want to take the poll. I hate polls personally, especially the ones on the phone that people want you to spend 15 minutes doing. I have better ways to spend my time ty.

[HashiriyaS14]

People still have house phones? o.O How do they decide who to call? You're still at the mercy of the people who want to take the poll. I hate polls personally, especially the ones on the phone that people want you to spend 15 minutes doing. I have better ways to spend my time ty.

Ok, that's great. Your distaste of polls is noted.

My point is that you had said they didn't mean anything and I am asserting that you are "mad hella wrong".

They DO matter and there IS a clear lead. Deny it or change the subject all you want, but it is what it is.

[AZhitman]

if Obama wins, many McCain supporters will doubtless claim widespread voter fraud even if there is no evidence.

Like the Gore-tards did in 2000?

BTW, +1 on the polls discussion. There's no way around it.

[HashiriyaS14]

Like the Gore-tards did in 2000?

Yep, precisely like that, you'll get no argument from me there. I also happened to be voting and campaigning for W that year, so I enthusiastically lambasted the "Gore Tards" at the time.

That was a fantastically close election though, people always cry foul in very very close elections.

Somehow, I feel like even if Obama gets 350+ EV, people will be crying "fraud", when that would quite plainly have to be the most monumental instance of fraud in the history of humanity.

[AZhitman]

...even if Obama gets 350+ EV, people will be crying "fraud", when that would quite plainly have to be the most monumental instance of fraud in the history of humanity.

No argument here, but to play devil's advocate:

Aren't we currently SEEING the "...most monumental instance of [voter] fraud in [modern] history..."?

I'd argue that we are.

[480sx]

OP - Fun post

Wow, thanks for the indepth and super analytical analysis.

WOW. Sounds really impressive until you break down each one.

Please, break all that down down to where it is insignificant.

Are you so foolish as to believe that McCains history as a 'leader' makes him more qualified to take the seat? Explain that to me.

Ah, comes from a common mans background. I assume you mean she can't be near as smart as those Dems that graduate from them there Ivy League schools, right? If it were not for those smart Dems the stupid population would have nobody to straighten them out.

A common mans background is to bounce around the US to five different colleges(Hawaii being one of them) never attending a single one for more than on average ~1.75 semesters?

Who said anything about intelligence here? Talking strictly about educational backgrounds. However, since you bought it up, you have seen her talk right? I dont care if your being baited or not, theres no legitimate excuse. What the hell is the relevance to your last comment?

Being a Governor and having to deal with state issues and budgets are things you don't need when you are a VP.

Your almost 100 percent correct here. Maybe there are a few 'state issues' that might have some parallels with the job of a VP. Maybe.

Seems to be doing the "do what cha wanna do" philosophy of the liberal left. What's wrong with that?

In recent years, this actually seems to be coming out of the GOP a lot more than democrats. How many affairs, bathroom stall misunderstandings, and outright BS has come out of the GOP in the last 8 years? LOTS.

Oh and by the way, 'do what you wana do' is more of an American philosophy. Freedom to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. First amendment. 2nd amendment. Need i go on?

Because Kindergartners all need to know how to put a condom on a banana. Hell, if their parents did not go to Harvard then they probably do.

What the hell is this?

Instead you should teach your children that having sex at 13 is absolutely fine as long as you have a credit card and the address of the nearest abortion clinic.

I have seen so much democratic campaigning on just this exact thing.

Maybe he should have just used cocaine and smoked pot while in a school in which no records are available. That makes you a hero. Having a wife that hates the USA, a minister who hates whitey, a racist grandmother, a buddy who probably wrote your first book who is a proclaimed terrorlst, a buddy who helps you get the property that you want that is a felon and mentors who are known socialists and communists makes you the next Democratic Presidential nominee.

So much of this is BS. Yea, he did drugs going through school and wrote a book. K. Does it make you a hero? Who the FVK said that. We all grow up in our own unique ways.

His wife hates the USA? Listen to yourself, do you really believe that?

WHO DOESNT HAVE A RACIST FAMILY MEMBER?!?

The terrorlst ties? Give me a freaken break. That has been discounted so many times in so many ways, you dont even fully stand behind the statement.

Is there something wrong with the idea of socialism or communism? Look at how the idea of Democracy has manifested.

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[CakeDaddy]

The terrorlst ties? Give me a freaken break. That has been discounted so many times in so many ways, you dont even fully stand behind the statement.

Is there something wrong with the idea of socialism or communism? Look at how the idea of Democracy has manifested.

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They love to beat that ole horse. Maybe the repubs should hire SNL to come up with some new material. Hell, Sarah Palin is already in pretty good with SNL, right? So, get to work repubs and bring something new to the table.

[480sx]

Mis post

[AZhitman]

Are you so foolish as to believe that McCains history as a 'leader' makes him more qualified to take the seat?

Isn't that what we're electing? A leader?

Damn. All this time I thought we were shopping for a new hat rack.

[480sx]

Yes?

My point was simple. McCain has no real history as a leader. He is a career politician, not a leader.