The Difference Between You and I

[emo_tactical9]

This thread made me LOL. Hard.

[HashiriyaS14]

But religion IS something one must consider when electing a President. America was founded on Christian beliefs. Those beliefs are my beliefs so it is easier for me to accept a leader with the same beliefs vs one that differs.

I'm not shxtting on WD in particular here, but someone questioned why I wrote what I did, and I offer that given the above phrase, plus a later endorsement for McCain, there's no way to possibly misconstrue this as anything other than inferring that McCain holds "Christian Beliefs" wherein Obama does not.

That's why I then made the comment I did, as from what I can see, there is no other way to interpret that statement.

[WDRacing]

Stop the rape of America...Vote McCain

[rn79870]

The point was that the left handed Liberals that are siding with Obama will be pandered to more with him as President vs if McCain were to become President. The far left are the people that I argue with, not particularly Obama himself, but a group of people that he will represent more so then McCain. So Obama doesn't have to be Muslim or have any faith for that matter, but he'll pander to those that support him.

Change won't hurt this country Brian, it will straighten it out and get it back on the track. You might even find out that you like it when we "liberals" push a few buttons and pull a few levers. Heck, when we're done, the economic engine is going to start first time every time and run like a Swiss watch.

[WDRacing]

It's not the Liberals I'm against Bob, it's the left handed ones...

[rn79870]

Stop the rape of America...Vote McCain

Parsing that statement it appears that you are anti-Bush since he's the one raping America. That must mean that you're equally fed up with the Republican agenda and want change. Wanting change means that you must support the candidate that supports change over the one that wants more of the same thing you've called rape. Thank you for your endorcement of Obama.

My work here is done. Next...

[audtatious]

Bobs favorite animal in his world



I had to do it

[rn79870]

I'd like to see your military version of the picture, the one ready for the glue factory...

[audtatious]

I don't see unicorns. Just welfare people who make poor decisions and want the rest of us to support them cuz they deserve it

[rn79870]

Sorry jonbyrd, I deleted your post. Posting an explanation and a link to instructions for build a system that turns water into fuel isn't forum appropriate here. Try general chat, they really like that type of posts there.

[smockers83]

You mean the change to want change to the change he holds dear?

Obama is a typical Chicago politician. What does a Chicago politician do? Anything he needs to to try to get elected. He started out his campaign from a pretty radical standpoint in order to garner support from those kinds of people who want to war today, want social health care, etc. Now he's talking about less-extreme policies. What am I to base all these changes on and the changes in his viewpoint and his small history?

To be fed up with Bush is not endorsing Barack. I'm fed up with Congress more so than Bush (and so is the rest of America ). We have a suffering White House and a suffering Congress. Pelosi is forcing her own agenda on the whole of the House and extended, the whole of the country! GHTFO!

[audtatious]

Change can be bad change or good change but it's change nonetheless. Change is needed so whether change is good or ends up being bad change then it won't matter because there was change and that change always means things changed which is good.

Right?

[rn79870]

Yes, change is not change if things don't change but it is change when things do change. I think that's what Smocky meant.

[skylndrftr]

Obama is a typical Chicago politician. What does a Chicago politician do? Anything he needs to to try to get elected.

fixed below...

Obama is a typical politician. What does a politician do? Anything he needs to to try to get elected.

and also

McCain is a typical politician. What does a politician do? Anything he needs to to try to get elected.

as for Pelosi...your point? Shes not exactly forcing anything more than the republicans were. At least its coming from the congress who more closely represent the people as opposed to the white house like we saw up until two years ago.

[smockers83]

I dunno, people form Chicago will tell you differently.

as for Pelosi...your point? Shes not exactly forcing anything more than the republicans were. At least its coming from the congress who more closely represent the people as opposed to the white house like we saw up until two years ago.

If the Congress more closely represents us and she's forcing her own agenda on the House, doesn't that make her just as bad as Bush? Just throwing that out there. And exactly what is your argument here? At least its coming from the Congress? But the Congress has a lower approval rating than Bush and Pelosi is the Speaker of the House, so your argument goes right out the window there. She won't even let issues get voted on to even be considered by committees, issues that should be voted on and ones that the people want to be voted on. She's responsible for the failure of the House, she should be held just as accountable as Bush and is just as problematic. She's also 3rd in the line of command. She discounts the disapproval of the Congress to the single point that they didn't end the war like Democrats promised. And our leaders represent us? The failure of the Congress reaches far beyond that. Must I continue on Negative Nancy?

What exactly did the Republicans of the Congress force upon us? And don't say the war because when the war was proposed, the vast majority said bring it.

*edit* I've come back to this to expand a little more. The fact that the Congress more closely represents the people than the White House. Lets run with that even more. If this is true, and which it has to be because 435 members of the House is definitely better than 1 for a whole country, then allowing a vote on issues such as oil should be allowed. Voting is a core principle in our way of life. If we aren't allowed to vote on issues by the Speaker of the House, and by we I mean our representatives in extension of ourselves, what in the hell does that say about the House, or our government for that matter? Just because she doesn't like it means we all can't like it? Let the people vote on it for Pete's sake! I'm honestly more outraged at her than Bush, her and the "Do Nothing Congress." In terms of power over the people, she could have more power over the people than the president. The president has to recommend legislation to the Congress in order for it to be passed. She can decide whether or not to even consider a vote on something, something that's being based on her agenda, not for the betterment of the people. Bush can sign executive orders into action, but there are checks and balances to those, they are used sparingly, and are only used in certain situations. A president who starts issuing orders just to issue orders to get his way becomes an abuse of power and is terms for impeachment. Pelosi on the other hand, can again decide whether a vote to consider legislation takes place or not in order to get her way. This is what she has been doing. Christ, she's worse than Hillary and she's 3rd in command. If the House and Senate are to more closely represent the people, then why prevent that from happening?

And to discount the disapproval of Congress to a single point? That is way out of touch with the American people and an excuse for her poor job as Speaker. If we want to bring an end to partisan politics, maybe it starts with the speaker and not the president, because if the speaker is pushing the agenda of one side or their own agenda, automatically partisanship is involved and there is no need for that in representing the people. Want to blame some of the problems on Bush, why don't we shift some of that blame over to Nancy as well? For everyone's sake I really hope the GOP takes over the Congress again just so that Pelosi doesn't get re-elected as speaker. Or maybe the Dems will become smart and realize that Pelosi needs to be taken for a walk and nominate someone else.
Modified by smockers83 at 9:18 PM 7/20/2008

[smockers83]

Yes, change is not change if things don't change but it is change when things do change. I think that's what Smocky meant.

What I meant was that he'll talk change until you're deaf in the ear.

But in all seriousness, wanting change just to have change doesn't really mean anything. You have to be careful in what you wish for, as the saying goes.

[rn79870]

Sort of but...If you've got a pile of steaming poop in one hand and an unknown in the other, it's pretty hard to imagine the unknown hand not being the better choice when it comes time to scratch your nose.

[smockers83]

Haha, touche!

But to go along with people as of late complaining about the news and how its reported, question Obama and his viewpoints on policies objectively instead of just trying to guess at it or endorsing it without knowing it. You can't just blindly walk into change.

[WDRacing]

Parsing that statement it appears that you are anti-Bush since he's the one raping America. That must mean that you're equally fed up with the Republican agenda and want change. Wanting change means that you must support the candidate that supports change over the one that wants more of the same thing you've called rape. Thank you for your endorcement of Obama.

My work here is done. Next...

Parse this statement Spinmaster B...

You can twist and distort facts all you want, what you end up with is nothing but lies. But being as you're a stoich supporter of KNOWN liar it's really no surprise.

Obama goes around preaching for change and hope, what he means is give me power through the rape of America. He can and will say anything he can in order to be elected.

You people are all Sheeple that are willing to grasp at any rope thrown just to further your left handed party politics and force your idea of change on Americans.

Go ahead and stand behind a man that represents rape and quit at all costs. Be proud, support a liar a cheat and rapist...vote Obama.

Or stop the rape and lies and vote McCain.

Now your done...

Take your lies and crazy talk somewhere else, we're all full here.

[audtatious]

You can't just blindly walk into change.

Absolutely

[ishkabibble]

You can't just blindly walk into change.

Sure you can!

[audtatious]

and Obama supporters will prove that

[rn79870]

Parse this statement Spinmaster B...

You can twist and distort facts all you want, what you end up with is nothing but lies. But being as you're a stoich supporter of KNOWN liar it's really no surprise.

Obama goes around preaching for change and hope, what he means is give me power through the rape of America. He can and will say anything he can in order to be elected.

You people are all Sheeple that are willing to grasp at any rope thrown just to further your left handed party politics and force your idea of change on Americans.

Go ahead and stand behind a man that represents rape and quit at all costs. Be proud, support a liar a cheat and rapist...vote Obama.

Or stop the rape and lies and vote McCain.

Now your done...

Take your lies and crazy talk somewhere else, we're all full here.

Brian, you keep forgetting one very important thing. We only have 2 choices. One (McCain) is too old to change. The other (Obama) wants to change a system that is failing at every turn. If you are happy with things the way they are, vote McCain and you'll not have to worry about any change at all. He'll continue everything you now have. No spin here, simple truths. However, if you are not happy with the way things are going, consider a change. No spin there either, simple truth.

[audtatious]

What specifically is he going to do to change it? So far, I have seen no concise plans or details, only generalities of what he plans to do. No mention of how to get there nor how to finance it all nor the effects on the economy. Without raising taxes on everyone you gotta take all the financial requirements his generalities call for from somewhere. Pulling troop out of Iraq is a drop in the bucket compared to what cost his change may require so where does it come from?

[heliochrome85]

part of me is curious as to what you wrote. by the mood of the post, it seems it wouldnt have been something i'd subscribe to. something tells me you arent alone in your feelings though. i hope someday you will meet people that can change your view of life and redeem people of my faith as people of yours have done for me.

/muslim//1st generation syrian-american///just came back from socialist baathist syria////see less problems in syria than i do in "free" america.