The CHP sucks!

[Bubba1]

So to summarize, you got tickets for no license plate, (I presume required in CA) and darker than legal window tinting, because...well, you had no front license plate and you had darker than legal window tinting. And it's all the cop's fault because he noticed the infractions while you were driving within the speed limit and ticketed you for those two infractions?

i have a bold and innovative solution that will prevent it from reocurring.
1. Order a front tag and
2. remove the tint.

Listen, just because you disagree with the tint law does not mean you can simply ignore it. You can miss a day of work, fight the ticket and perhaps win the one charge, but recognize that even if you win it , if you don't change the tint, you will likely face the issue all over again with another cop.

As far as cops doling out tickets instead of doing something that you feel is more productive, reember that's the duty he's been assigned to do. If you want to be angry, you need to aim much higher up the food chain than him.

[PoorManQ45]

i have a bold and innovative solution that will prevent it from reocurring.
1. Order a front tag and
2. remove the tint.

Listen, just because you disagree with the tint law does not mean you can simply ignore it. You can miss a day of work, fight the ticket and perhaps win the one charge, but recognize that even if you win it , if you don't change the tint, you will likely face the issue all over again with another cop.

Agreed. These guys are willing to keep paying the fee when they could save that money and put higher quality tint on that blocks just as much heat at as their darker tint.

[fiznowler]

i have a bold and innovative solution that will prevent it from reocurring.
1. Order a front tag and
2. remove the tint.

Listen, just because you disagree with the tint law does not mean you can simply ignore it. You can miss a day of work, fight the ticket and perhaps win the one charge, but recognize that even if you win it , if you don't change the tint, you will likely face the issue all over again with another cop.

Agreed. These guys are willing to keep paying the fee when they could save that money and put higher quality tint on that blocks just as much heat at as their darker tint.

Maybe he likes the way his darker tint looks. I got pulled over for almost the same stuff a while back. The difference is I got pulled over by 3 seperate Missouri HWP within a 2 hour period. I got lucky I only received a ticket for my insurance card being expired by a week and a speeding ticket. The first officer cut me a huge break on the speeding ticket, he dropped it down to 10 over. Being respectful and polite usually helps alot. The 2nd time was for window tint even though my front windows were down lol and he cut across median to chase me. The third was for front plate not mounted they then checked my windows and gave me another warning. Did I pull my illegal tint off and mount my front plate? No. I bet I don't b**** about it the next time I get pulled over either. I prefer to have my windows tinted dark so I accept the fact that I may get tickets for it. If I wanted to get whatever super expensive tint I could just to block heat and not be dark I would do that. You seem to pitch that argument anytime window tint comes up. The thing is not everyone wants to have clear windows that block heat. Some people like to have dark tinted windows.

[Alfador]

Maybe he likes the way his darker tint looks. I got pulled over for almost the same stuff a while back. The difference is I got pulled over by 3 seperate Missouri HWP within a 2 hour period. I got lucky I only received a ticket for my insurance card being expired by a week and a speeding ticket. The first officer cut me a huge break on the speeding ticket, he dropped it down to 10 over. Being respectful and polite usually helps alot. The 2nd time was for window tint even though my front windows were down lol and he cut across median to chase me. The third was for front plate not mounted they then checked my windows and gave me another warning. Did I pull my illegal tint off and mount my front plate? No. I bet I don't b**** about it the next time I get pulled over either. I prefer to have my windows tinted dark so I accept the fact that I may get tickets for it. If I wanted to get whatever super expensive tint I could just to block heat and not be dark I would do that. You seem to pitch that argument anytime window tint comes up. The thing is not everyone wants to have clear windows that block heat. Some people like to have dark tinted windows.

If you want to have dark tint then fine, as long as, like you said, you don't complain about it. Personally I think getting a ticket from being defiant over something cosmetic is asinine,but I that's me. As long as you want to keep paying for immaterial crap like not having a front plate like some kind of roadborn hero, that's just great. Personally I prefer to spend money on actual stuff and not tickets. I gotta agree with him on the notion that willfully getting tickets just because you "like to have dark windows" is awfully silly.

[Empty V]

If you want to have dark tint then fine, as long as, like you said, you don't complain about it. Personally I think getting a ticket from being defiant over something cosmetic is asinine,but I that's me. As long as you want to keep paying for immaterial crap like not having a front plate like some kind of roadborn hero, that's just great. Personally I prefer to spend money on actual stuff and not tickets. I gotta agree with him on the notion that willfully getting tickets just because you "like to have dark windows" is awfully silly.

I'm not complaining about getting a ticket, I'm complaining because of how aggressive they're being right now. But I guess you don't understand the lingo from an awfully silly roadborn hero. Thanks for the education skippy. BTW the money you talking about spending on "actual stuff and not tickets" is a whopping $10.

[fiznowler]

The front bumper I would gladly mount if my car was set up for it. I am not going to drill a hole in mine since it doesn't have it already though. I plan on getting a new bumper and I am going to sell the one on the car. Drilling holes in it probably wouldn't make it worth any less but for now I am not going to worry about it. My new bumper will have a plate mounted on it. Window tint on the other hand... I prefer my dark tinted windows so they will stay that way.

[Jesda]

So to summarize,

That's not really the core issue with the situation. The issue is the risk taken and the hazard created to issue a ticket for two minor things. Whatever he was trained to do, he's doing it, but it doesn't seem to produce any real benefit for the public.

[Bubba1]

So to summarize,

That's not really the core issue with the situation. The issue is the risk taken and the hazard created to issue a ticket for two minor things. Whatever he was trained to do, he's doing it, but it doesn't seem to produce any real benefit for the public.

Disagree, it's all tied in. If he had not tinted the windows darker than legal, or decide to run without a required license plate, the cop would have had no reason to pull him over in the first place. I agree the cop seemed wreckless based on the description, but unfortunately, that can happen when you draw attention to yourself with the illegal tint and missing plate.

[Jesda]

Its not the core issue. At most, its only part of a sequence of events.

A ticket for tint -- okay, whatever. We can discuss the value of that law.
A ticket for tint that involves a police vehicle flying across the highway -- that's not safe if it happened as described, especially in California traffic.

Or maybe Californians should already be used to people doing lane changes that way

[PoorManQ45]

A ticket for tint that involves a police vehicle flying across the highway -- that's not safe if it happened as described, especially in California traffic.

Anyone want to quote Greg from one of the many times he has stated that Police officers are sent through driving school and know how to handle their vehicles?

[Razi]

Yet they can't stop a vehicle that has the throttle stuck open.

[Empty V]

I just got back from the gym and one of my workout buddies is a DEA agent and he got pulled over the other day too. They're going nuts, that's my point.

[Jesda]

PMQ:
Being trained to manage the movement of your police vehicle isn't the issue. The issue is making a somewhat risky decision for something really minor. If that's what really happened, then the department should probably discourage it.

Since EmptyV didnt rob a bank or pose a threat to the safety of those around him, the public is a bit less safe when the police do this for minor reasons.

[Empty V]

BTW all of the captain obviouseseses in this thread that keep pointing out that I broke the law, you're right. But at what point did I say that my tint or lack of front plate was legal? A tint and or front plate ticket is not something that you need to stop someone for. It's a fix-it ticket that is should be tacked onto a moving violation. Why waste the states money on something that will generate $10 instead of $300+? At the end of the day the CHP is a business. So all of you guys with your inspection perfect vehicles and flawless records can suck a fatty-booba-latty.

[dusred]

stfu noob

Ah, the defense of the ignorant...

Ironic. Chastising me for having no defense when you just said "Ugh. . . This BS again" to my argument.

[Bubba1]

BTW all of the captain obviouseseses in this thread that keep pointing out that I broke the law, you're right. But at what point did I say that my tint or lack of front plate was legal? A tint and or front plate ticket is not something that you need to stop someone for. It's a fix-it ticket that is should be tacked onto a moving violation. Why waste the states money on something that will generate $10 instead of $300+? At the end of the day the CHP is a business. So all of you guys with your inspection perfect vehicles and flawless records can suck a fatty-booba-latty.

The CHP's job is law enforcement. not selective enforcement of bigger dollar fines. Did it occur to you the cop might have had orders to look for certain types of infractions? Cops out this way are routinely ordered to target cars with expired inspection stickers or people talking on cell phones (small $ fines). The fact that the fine is small compared to say wreckless driving is irrelevant.


There's no argument that the way you described the event, the officer drove overly aggressively given the severity of your offenses. Should come as no surprise that there are some bad driving cops out there. But the percentage of bad driving civilians represent a FAR bigger percentage of civilian drivers when compared to bad driving police officers. I'm very sorry you encountered it, but the bottom line is you dramatically increased the odds of it happening by your decision to run easy to see illegal setups. PLUS, you will probably encounter the same problem again unless you get off your "fatty-booba-latty" and fix them.

And as far as the size of the fine, if you decide to continue to keep the illegal set ups, the police will make up the revenue on sheer volume. . At some point, you'll need to ask yourself if the hassle is worth it.

As a one of those jerks who keeps their car legal, and maintains a clean driving record. it seems shocking I have no issues with cops at all. Go figure.

[PoorManQ45]

Ironic. Chastising me for having no defense when you just said "Ugh. . . This BS again" to my argument.

Ugh... This BS again...

You can get legal tints that stop more heat then your dark tint.

You should take that "Tint tax" money and save up for Huper or F1 tint.

I listed two options that would be more efficient then your statement about requiring illegal tint in 115 degree heat.

A tint and or front plate ticket is not something that you need to stop someone for. It's a fix-it ticket that is should be tacked onto a moving violation. Why waste the states money on something that will generate $10 instead of $300+?

LOLWUT? Do you oppose the police pulling people over for not wearing their seatbelt too? That's not endangering anyone but themselves...

Also, the a fixit ticket requires you to fix the issue or pay the fine. It sounds like you're going to pay the fine. Did he write a $10 ticket?

[AppleBonker]

The CHP's job is law enforcement. not selective enforcement of bigger dollar fines. [...] The fact that the fine is small compared to say wreckless driving is irrelevant.

I would agree to an extent. As someone who HAS illegal tint on his car, I'm not too opposed to the occasional fine/ticket. Cost of doing business, I suppose. It also keeps the rest of my driving in check so I don't get tagged for everything in the book.

But the percentage of bad driving civilians represent a FAR bigger percentage of civilian drivers when compared to bad driving police officers.

But HERE is where my problem lies. You just claimed yourself that there are tons of drivers on the road who are dangerous. So you're completely ok with a LEO avoiding targeting those drivers (who may potentially KILL someone) in order to get the guy with window tint? To be quite honest, with how picked on I was in Chicago for having dark window tint, I don't loose any sleep when an officer gets shot. If their priority is targeting petty criminals and not those guilty of more serious crimes, gang members shooting cops will be inevitable. And, in my opinion, they've pretty much earned it at that point. Sounds cold, but that's how I feel.

[Bubba1]

The CHP's job is law enforcement. not selective enforcement of bigger dollar fines. [...] The fact that the fine is small compared to say wreckless driving is irrelevant.

I would agree to an extent. As someone who HAS illegal tint on his car, I'm not too opposed to the occasional fine/ticket. Cost of doing business, I suppose. It also keeps the rest of my driving in check so I don't get tagged for everything in the book.

But the percentage of bad driving civilians represent a FAR bigger percentage of civilian drivers when compared to bad driving police officers.

But HERE is where my problem lies. You just claimed yourself that there are tons of drivers on the road who are dangerous. So you're completely ok with a LEO avoiding targeting those drivers (who may potentially KILL someone) in order to get the guy with window tint? To be quite honest, with how picked on I was in Chicago for having dark window tint, I don't loose any sleep when an officer gets shot. If their priority is targeting petty criminals and not those guilty of more serious crimes, gang members shooting cops will be inevitable. And, in my opinion, they've pretty much earned it at that point. Sounds cold, but that's how I feel.

I did not say necessarily dangerous. I said there are more "bad drivers" among civilians. That was to support my point that cops are generally far better trained in car control than civilians. As someone who witnessed an officer arrive first at the scene of a horrific accident I was in, (16 yr old street racer ran a red light and T-boned me), who not only not helped save the life of my passenger, but helped stop the kid from escaping, and did everything necessary to convict him in court, I'm disgusted by your statement about being indifferent to cops getting shot just because you yourself got ticketed.


Perhaps it would take a life threatening situation of your own to make you realize how wrong you are about cops.

[AppleBonker]

Like I said, it's a harsh sentiment, but that's more or less how I feel. I generally feel worse when I see roadkill in the street than hearing about people dying on the news. Maybe it's because I'm pretty sure people in general are inherently evil.

Maybe it also has to do with my time spent living in Chicago. I was pulled over countless times for window tint, and once for loud music. At the same time, I can say with a great deal of confidence, a much more serious crime was occurring somewhere in Chicago (and, more than likely, there was one occurring within a few blocks). Now, while the cop was taking the time to write me the ticket, there was no one attending to the more serious crime. There's only so long I can watch the news and see story after story after story about some kid getting shot on his walk home from school, or some driver killing another person because they were drunk/on the phone/texting/etc. The officers should be out there attempting to prevent this, yet all I ever saw was a hard focus on tinted windows (likely because the fine is now up to $250/violation). And people will cross the street (illegally) with a child in their arms right in front of a police officer.

So honestly, until I see an increased focus on actually improving safety of the residents/visitors/officers of Chicago RATHER THAN bringing in money, I doubt my opinion will change much. And the sadder part still is that I know quite a few officers, and all of them are great people. Maybe it's the system that's borked (as you said previously), but whatever it is has made me immune to hearing this news. It probably has to do with me thinking more can be done to prevent these things and it isn't. THAT is what pisses me off.

[AppleBonker]

Oh, and for the record, I find my indifference particularly disgusting too. Unfortunately, that doesn't change it.

Edit: Though it's not about just my ticket. I'm ok with the ticket. It was illegal, and I deserve the ticket. Sure, I get frustrated about the cost, but I knew that going into it. My anger is from the focus on petty crimes when there are far more important things to be concerned about. And that goes well past me and hits ALL people in Chicago at any given time. Love the city, but hate the legal/political issues.

[Jesda]

Perhaps it would take a life threatening situation of your own to make you realize how wrong you are about cops.

That's a non-sequitur. We're not talking about a life-saving event.

If I go to a bank and ask for a loan they don't care if I've saved three puppies.

[93coupe]

I take a leave of absence and come back to threads about people whining of headaches and pickles and LEOs pulling people over for illegal stuff. Yikes.

Didn't you get banned?

[Empty V]

I take a leave of absence and come back to threads about people whining of headaches and pickles and LEOs pulling people over for illegal stuff. Yikes.

Didn't you get banned?

And why did you come back?

[93coupe]

I missed your wit?

[brahmaleo]

Man I am so pissed right now. I got a ticket for a carpool violation that wasn't my fault. I was in the fast lane and some idiot tried coming in my lane so I swerved to the next lane which happen to be the carpool lane which I was in for no more than 10 seconds and went in front on the next car to get back over and long and behold a CHP about 100 ft away sees me come out of the lane and pulls me over assuming I was in it the whole time. I don't ever get in the carpool lane when I'm not suppose to but this time I had no choice. I tired to explain to him but he didn't care. This guy didn't want to hear it. He was an arrogant prick. Now is this fair to me or what. $271 for something I could not prevent. He gives me his smart a** remark "that's why we have rules" umm yeah how can you avoid that by letting the car hit me and get into an accident instead. These punks give the good ones a bad rep.

[Nicodomeus]

HOLY zombie thread batman!

[float_6969]

It's like crusty, dusty, zombie thread!