The Absolute BEST Use of $20 You'll Ever Find.

[Rockhound]

I'm attending college and don't have time in my schedule to work full time. I go to school Monday, Wednesday and Friday 8am-4pm, work on the other days besides Sunday. If I had the extra money, I'd probably get a truck or something to haul around stuff or whatever. So, please don't think 'alot' of people own more than one vehicle.

That's cool man - it takes an incredible amount of effort to get through a schedule like that.

I guess I was also thinking about those people that either aren't 'members' yet or are and don't post often, too. I mean, I came across this forum prior to purchasing our Versa, as I wanted to get a feel for any problems folks were having. I'm sure there's the occasional passerby, so to speak, that browses this stuff too. But I hear where you're coming from regarding the active membership.

thank god they didnt and bought me a nissan

I hear you. My parents bought me my first car, and although it was pretty used up as it was all they could afford, that scrappy B13 Sentra really engendered lasting respect for Nissan for both me and my dad.

it's polarizing. If it wasn't the case then there wouldn't be a lot of members here.

I dunno, is that really the primary cause? It might scare a few folks off, but I think it also may have to do with the fact that the Versa is still a relatively new car in the states and lacks the same devoted following of Nissan's other more established cars. I think those of us that spend time on a forum devoted to the car we drive are in the minority - and maybe there just hasn't been enough time for the Versa to establish itself as a car with that kind of ownership identity...

...not trying to debate here - just that I've thought about the lack of participation on this board too.

It's probably a good thing for me though - I have the tendency to spend too much time on forums!

[APEXi240]

if my parents bought me a hyundai for my first car id laugh at them. thank god they didnt and bought me a nissan, which led to my love of nissans and the purchase of my new V

(still kinda wish i got a GTI though) haha

If you were my kid and you actually scoffed at what I purchased you, you wouldn't get anything. I would not even pay for your bus pass.

[frankoV]

If you were my kid and you actually scoffed at what I purchased you, you wouldn't get anything. I would not even pay for your bus pass.

You've got that right!

As one of the "older than 25s" I say "when I was your age" [smacks gums together ] . . . well, I don't know the age of these young whipper-snappers . . . bought my own first car -- a '60 Ford Fairlane . . . it had been sitting in a farmers field and the first thing I had to do was clean the straw and dust out of it -- then I could worry about getting it road-worthy. No expectations of help; none given.

Four wheels, cheap transportation was all I needed -- and got.

Back to the OP: remember the Pony? A rust-bucket within 6 months -- Korea is not Winnipeg! otoh, Hyundai has come a long way since then. They had a reputation and went about changing it -- as opposed to GM, who had a reputation and rested on it.

Finally [end of diatribe] an econobox is an econobox. I like my V -- my son likes his gf's Corolla [my daughter wishes she could afford a car] -- we like what we like. go to a Hyundai forum and I imagine you'll see the "why would anybody buy a Nissan" threads.

Personal preference, my friends [but I too think the $20 is worth it].

[MinisterofDOOM]

Finally [end of diatribe] an econobox is an econobox. I like my V -- my son likes his gf's Corolla [my daughter wishes she could afford a car] -- we like what we like. go to a Hyundai forum and I imagine you'll see the "why would anybody buy a Nissan" threads.

True, but at the same time...only so much of automotive taste is subjective. Some cars simply are superior. A Hyundai owner asking the question you pose faces the answer "Well...Nissan built the B13, one of the best damned econocars in history." A Nissan owner asking "why would anyone ever buy a Hyundai" stumps the chumps, because Hyundai has established no credentials at this point beyond keeping up. Sure they're rocking the midsize market which is particularly hot, but in the land of econocars they're just the "other guys." Up against competition like the 3 and Civic, they're like dachsunds in a greyhound race. Plus, while the rest of their lineups have outgrown the "lets stand out by being ugly because we need to get noticed" syndrome, their compacts are still uglier than a horse's rear end. The Elantra is terrible looking...it's like a Corolla that got bad plastic surgery...like a Corolla Joan Rivers.

BTW, I'd kill for a '60 Fairlane. I'd kill extra people for a slightly later one (round tail lights).

[grogman]

BTW, I'd kill for a '60 Fairlane. I'd kill extra people for a slightly later one (round tail lights).[/QUOTE]

i saw a clean ford falcon last night with rims,,,,,,,the mini fairlane lol.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Falcon Van!!

[frankoV]

BTW, I'd kill for a '60 Fairlane. I'd kill extra people for a slightly later one (round tail lights).

That car was great while it lasted!

First, the floor mats were the only thing to keep the snow and rain out -- the floor had rusted through!

The wiper motor was weak -- when someone passed me and splashed my windshield I had to ease off the gas or the wipers didn't have enough power for a clean sweep.

Advanced distributor -- if I didn't plug it in during the winter it wouldn't start unless I towed it into a garage for a day to warm up.

Actually painted it with house paint to cover the mess sitting in the field made.

Front seat springs: non existent.

Even though it was only the late 70s parts for it were hard to come by, so I fainally gave it up -- traded it for a 7x VW Bug. A week later the engine of the Ford blew . . . kept the Bug 4 months, traded it for a Corona which I traded for a . . . well, I went through a bunch of cars for a while.

What a great car for a student, though . . . learned car repair on that thing . . . ah, the days before everything was R-and-R.

[Bubs daddy]

One of the reasons why I chose the Versa over the Fit was that it was a much better looking car than the Fit. For the price, a lot of value as well. I would choose a Versa over an Accent because I believe the Versa to have better materials, better fit and finish and perhaps, better resale as well.

That doesn't mean Hyundai doesn't offer exceptional value and very good fit and finish in other models. I leased a Sonata for a few years. The quality was as good as any Accord or Camry. The materials were exceptional for the price of the car. I got a V-6 and many other standard features in the package that was far more expensive for a Honda or Toyota.

Hyundai had some quality issues early on but as of right now, many of their cars are as good and reliable as any other manufacturer. In my opinion, better than some. Their quality has improved dramatically in the last 5-7 years.

What Hyundai has accomplished in the last ten years is nothing short of amazing. Consumers perception of the company and their cars (some Versa forum members notwithstanding) is far more positive now and with good reason.

I really like the Versa. Again, I would definitely choose it over an Accent because I like the Versa's looks, materials, and fit and finish. But don't think for a second that Toyota, Honda and Nissan don't notice that the Korean manufacturer is closing fast and they know they cannot be complacent. As Rockhound stated, some American manufacturers failed to take the Japanese seriously. Quality and sales came over time. Then years later, GM's market share was half of what it once was.

You can bet Nissan looks at Hyundai as a serious competitor.
Modified by Bubs daddy at 2:20 AM 6/12/2009

[grogman]

You can bet Nissan looks at Hyundai as a serious competitor.

Modified by Bubs daddy at 2:20 AM 6/12/2009

.............for the last part of your quote i have to disagree. nissan is like the lakers and hyundai is like the magic. the lakers know they are there but @ the end the day they still have the upper hand. i saw a newer sonata the other day and have to admit it didn't take long for that design to fall.........hyundai is a bad purchase.....period.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Agreed. Nissan and Hyundai are in different leagues. Nissan is one of the REALLY REALLY big dogs. Hyundai is just barely establishing themselves as not a chihuahua. They have a long way to go before the Sonata threatens the Altima, which is where they need to be before they will be considered serious competition by Nissan. The sonata is WAY behind the Alty in sales. Just a little over half according to may sales reports by both companies. Accent sells about half as much as the Versa, too. The Rogue is outselling the Tucson by FIVE HUNDRED PERCENT. Hyundai's total sales are just barely above half of Nissan's. Not what I'd call serious competition, even if they are a "real" respectable company now.

[Andrews Chalmers]

Uh... Hyundai Automative Group produces more vehicles globally than Nissan, and is currently 5th in the world behind Toyota, GM, Porsche-VW, and Ford.

You guys can bang your heads against the wall as much as you like, or cherry pick sales numbers by specific models to convince yourselves that Hyundai is not "serious competition" or that Hyundai is a bad purchase. But the figures don't lie.

Hyundai made Ward's 10 best engines in 2009 with their new Tau V-8. Nissan got knocked off primarily because it just continually increased the displacement of the VQ series until it transformed the smooth refined engine into something of a brute muscle engine.

Dismissing Hyundai is not going to help the value of your Versa S.

Take a chance - go test drive the Hyundai Genesis, whether in the V-6 or the V-8 configuration. Then head over to test drive a Infiniti G or M sedan, and if you still think Nissan is almighty compared to Hyundai, send me what you're smoking.

[Shad0wXCalibur]

Ya know, without competition, Nissan and other companies wouldn't be trying to one up each other all the time and lowering prices at the same time trying to give you a good vehicle. So be glad because otherwise your precious Versa might not be worth a damn if it was the only sub 15 grand vehicle available and shove it. Without the Yaris, Accent, Aveo, Rio, etc, Nissan wouldn't have much of a reason to bring out their own even cheaper version of the Versa with the 1.6 liter. And then the people who would like a new Versa but can't get the higher end models wouldn't have much of a choice.

[Bubs daddy]

Quote ».............for the last part of your quote i have to disagree. nissan is like the lakers and hyundai is like the magic. the lakers know they are there but @ the end the day they still have the upper hand. i saw a newer sonata the other day and have to admit it didn't take long for that design to fall.........hyundai is a bad purchase.....period.[/quote]I see what you are saying and perception is reality in many cases. For now. It wasn't until I owned (leased) one of their cars that I had positive impression.

Nissan gets the nod in this case because I believe the Versa to be a better vehicle than the Accent.

But I also remember when I saw the name Samsung in the electronics store years ago. Sounded kind of funny, no way would I purchase a product with Samsung on it. Didn't know anything about them.

I have a Samsung printer that's going on 6 years and runs flawlessly. I'm looking at all of this through a Samsung syncmaster 204b LCD monitor that is stunning and has given me reliable service for years. Many of their other products have proven to be very competitive and have a high degree of quality.

There are people on this forum way too young to know but many back in my day laughed at Toyota and Honda. Silly names, silly cars, not to be taken seriously. Not all but most.

Hyundai won't win converts over night. But what they have accomplished in such a short period of time is amazing. Their global sales speak for themselves.

As for being a bad purchase, I couldn't disagree more.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Uh... Hyundai Automative Group produces more vehicles globally than Nissan, and is currently 5th in the world behind Toyota, GM, Porsche-VW, and Ford.

You guys can bang your heads against the wall as much as you like, or cherry pick sales numbers by specific models to convince yourselves that Hyundai is not "serious competition" or that Hyundai is a bad purchase. But the figures don't lie.

Hyundai made Ward's 10 best engines in 2009 with their new Tau V-8. Nissan got knocked off primarily because it just continually increased the displacement of the VQ series until it transformed the smooth refined engine into something of a brute muscle engine.

Dismissing Hyundai is not going to help the value of your Versa S.

Take a chance - go test drive the Hyundai Genesis, whether in the V-6 or the V-8 configuration. Then head over to test drive a Infiniti G or M sedan, and if you still think Nissan is almighty compared to Hyundai, send me what you're smoking.

I'm no butthurt Versa owner. I'm a car guy who's not afraid to admit Hyundai is a good brand these days. Read my many other posts on the subject and you'll find I'm far from biased. I've stated many times my preference over Hyundais midsize sedan offerings over Honda and Toyota. But the Sonata and Azera are not up to par with Nissan's offerings in that realm.

My post simply referred to the North American market, which is what this thread is discussing. But if you want to "cherrypick" world sales numbers, Nissan/Renault is 4th, which comes before 5th.

As for Genesis vs M, that comparison is pointless. They are not the same type of vehicle. M owners do not cross-shop buicks. The Genesis is NOT an enthusiast car, regardless of how well built and fantastically priced it is. But if I want to buy a big mac, a half-price corn dog isn't exactly going to sway me. The Genesis isn't going to steal many M sales. What it WILL do is steal sales UP from people who would have been relegated to "lesser" cars (like ES300s and TSXs).

As for the Tau V8, that's REALLY cool for Hyundai to make that list. But two points come to mind:It has to come in a car I want for me to care andMy 14 year old Q45 has a better V8.

[frankoV]

There are people on this forum way too young to know but many back in my day laughed at Toyota and Honda. Silly names, silly cars, not to be taken seriously.

Datsun makes the list too.

Early Datsuns are reminicent of early Hyundais: cheap rust-buckets.

Improvements have been made by both companies.

[grogman]

Dismissing Hyundai is not going to help the value of your Versa S.

Take a chance - go test drive the Hyundai Genesis, whether in the V-6 or the V-8 configuration. Then head over to test drive a Infiniti G or M sedan, and if you still think Nissan is almighty compared to Hyundai, send me what you're smoking.

why did you buy a nissan? if you are so in love with the hyundai brand you should have bought one of those. i never considered buying a hyundai and still wouldn't. if i have a chance to buy a nissan for a low price i would do that way over a hyundai. why are hyundais even thought of comparable to the nissan. it's funny how you hyundai apologists go straight to the stats and magazine reports. i read the stats on the v before i purchased it. for really, i bought the v because there was no hype on the v. no arse kissing by the magazine companies. i made my decision solely on the idea that the v was a better car for less money than everything else. please go to the hyundai forums they are waiting for you.

[Rockhound]

why did you buy a nissan? if you are so in love with the hyundai brand you should have bought one of those...

...i made my decision solely on the idea that the v was a better car for less money than everything else. please go to the hyundai forums they are waiting for you.

Seriously, more of this crap from you?

When are you going to open your eyes and act your (supposed) age? This isn't an insular pro-Nissan, hate-everything-else forum, last time I checked. Most of us are mature enough to be car enthusiasts and to simply shop the market for what we perceive to be the best value, period.

And obviously, the people you keep putting down in your incomprehensible, no-grammar-whatsoever rambling bought a Versa for goodness' sake - get that through your head!

Most reasonable, mature adults can say something to the effect of "I bought a Versa and love the car, but there are plenty of other competitive vehicles on the market" and leave it at that.

Just because some of us are confident enough with our purchases to admit that there are other compelling purchases out there doesn't mean we're not loyal to Nissan or that we need to join a Hyundai forum.

And Grogman, have any of your posts ever elevated above useless troll-like provoking? I can't see that they have.

[grogman]

This is where I typed something stupid and WD was nice enough to edit it for me.

[Andrews Chalmers]

[WDRacing]

This thread has been edited by "The MAN"...

Open threats will never be allowed on NICO. Get along or GTFO is my personal rule...

Debate and discuss anything you want, but do so in a manner that remains civil. Or you'll be riding the bench for a few days.

WD

[biggie]

This is where I typed something stupid and WD was nice enough to edit it for me.

And banned a week for personal attacks.

Everyone can debate intelligently without personal attacks. Turning to such tatics shows ignorance. This is for everyone.

[G_whizz]

This thread has been edited by "The MAN"...

That's still up for debate...

[WDRacing]

That's still up for debate...

As staff members we should really stay on topic Seanzy. Lead by example kinda thing...

But since you strayed...

Did you get that present I sent you?

[G_whizz]

NICE!

[iluvmyVersa08]

And banned a week for personal attacks.

Everyone can debate intelligently without personal attacks. Turning to such tatics shows ignorance. This is for everyone.

Thank you for editing the comment. I read that post this morning and was shocked that someone would threaten to find and kill somebody based on their personal opinion.Thanks for checking the boards and banning members when need be. I think personal attacks are completely unnecessary ... everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but threats are totally uncalled for.

[Bubs daddy]

Since it's temporary, wouldn't it be more appropriate to call it a suspension instead of a ban?

[WDRacing]

We'll let you call it anything you want

[frankoV]

Since it's temporary, wouldn't it be more appropriate to call it a suspension instead of a ban?

Take your choice . . .





It's a week where we don't have to skip his posts/rants/whatever they are called.

[now . . . back to being nice . . . ]

[biggie]

Take your choice . . . It's a week where we don't have to skip his posts/rants/whatever they are called.

Its now forever, he won't be back.

[Rockhound]

Its now forever, he won't be back.

For what it's worth (and it's a little late now) I'd like to apologize for my comments. I've been under a lot of stress at work lately, and I obviously took out a bit of my frustration in my post, which was in poor taste. I'll try to not let that happen again.

I never saw his reply, but that is a bit scary hearing what he apparently said. Makes you wonder some times.

I do stand by the fact that I feel that this forum should be a place where we can talk about other cars/manufacturers without having to endure the mocking/taunting/boasting that often accompanies such topics. I'm as big a Nissan fan as anyone, but I love talking cars regardless of make or model.