Tein HE's???

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Does anyone know if Tein HE's are a discontinued product, or just special order from Tein in Japan? If still being produced, who can get them?

I've seen Tein Flex's recommended as replacements for the HEs due to the threaded shock body, but I really have my doubts about the damping on the Flex's. I believe they can handle springs up to 7/6, but I have my doubts about the ability of the shock to gracefully handle that.

I'm really becoming a big fan of being able to adjust ride height without changing the load on the springs. It just seems like the "right" way to lower the car.

My other option of Koni Sport + Tein PBM's + various OE replacement parts + RS-R "race" springs will end up being more than the HE's and almost as much as the Flex.

Post by **tktrthomas1** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

teins are supposedly discontinued but you can still order them through http://www.phase2motortrend.com . thats where i got mine and i paid 1300 shipped to my door. i think there great , i had kyb gr-2 shocks with sportline springs before. and you cant even compare my old setup to the HE's, the ride just feels alot better

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Hmmm...what kind of wheels do you have with the HE's? I've still got my stock steel S13 wheels and I see the HE's require an offset of less than +38. I believe the S13 stock wheels are +40mm...not good.

Post by **tktrthomas1** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

yeah, i'm using the stock se rims as well... i cant afford nice rims yet..

Post by **Exar-Kun** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

stock wheels wont rub. relax, thats just a general guidline form TEIN.-chet

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Exar-Kun wrote:stock wheels wont rub. relax, thats just a general guidline form TEIN.-chet

Heh...thanks man. I guess I am wound pretty tight today.

Just out if curiousity, what *is* the offset on an S13 base steel wheel?

Post by **Doogz** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

15x6 wheel w/ 40 offset

Since we are talking about Tein HE's i have a question. I have heard rumors of rusting problems with these coilovers. Is there any truth to these rumors?

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Doogz wrote:15x6 wheel w/ 40 offset

Since we are talking about Tein HE's i have a question. I have heard rumors of rusting problems with these coilovers. Is there any truth to these rumors?

I haven't heard about HE's rusting. HA's had some rust problems. From what I've read, regular cleaning during the winter months should be enough to keep them in good shape. Road salt is very corrosive.

Post by **240_Keyy** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

mine haven't rusted. If you go to a 17x7.5 you will have to have a +35 or lower offset to clear...

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

240_Keyy wrote:mine haven't rusted. If you go to a 17x7.5 you will have to have a +35 or lower offset to clear...

Yeah, I misread the info on the Tein site. I believe a wheel 6.5" wide will need an offset of less than +38. I eventually want to get some 16x6.5 Kosei K1's. Hopefully Tirerack is still drilling them for 4 lug S13's. They'll clear the HE's AND big *** Z32 calipers.

Post by **240_Keyy** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Yes tirerack still drills the K1's. I am getting a set of 17x7.5 +35 ET's for my car.

Post by **burgy240** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

I'm about 85% sure I'm gettin HE's next month and if your interested I could get you a decent price if you wanna buy them together. let me know and I will see what I can do. lata

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Where will you be getting them from? I was thinking of ordering from Phase 2 Motortrend.

Post by **Doogz** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

At first i wanted the JIC FLTA2's but then i noticed the sizeable price difference between the Tein HE's and the JIC's and i was all convinced to go HE's. But certain people, who shall remain nameless, have tried to talk me out of this decision. If someone could name off some of the differences i would appreciate it. From what i've heard the JIC's are aluminum and the Tein's are not and the JIC's also have a larger piston diameter...correct me if im wrong please.

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

The HA/HE's are *not* aluminum. I'm not sure about the FLTA2's, but the JIC website says that the bracket is made of aircraft aluminum or hard steel depending on application.

Keep in mind that the FLTA2's are top of JIC's line, while the HE's are most definitely not. I'd say that the RA/RE's would be Tein's equivalent of the FLTA2's.

I'm still not 100% sure about the HE's. The rust issue *is* a concern, even though regular maintenance will probably take care of it.

Edit: I'm not sure about JIC's warranty or rebuild facilties in the US. Tein can do rebuilds here, but I'm not sure of the cost.

Post by **Doogz** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Ok, thanks man. I didn't even think about the possibility of JIC not being able to rebuild them in the US.

Post by **Dori Dori** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Post by **burgy240** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

I contacted JIC and they told me that a replacement tube is $100 but if you need them to rebuild it they will have to send it to japan. I really wanted JIC but the $$$ difference is significant. I was debateing this the last month or two. SOmeone mentioned tanabe coilovers too but I don't know much about them. Once I finally decide which coilover to get I will be ordering from Turbofour in cleveland. Turbofour

Post by **:: orion ::** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

BadMojo wrote:The HA/HE's are *not* aluminum...

HA = Not aluminum.

HE = Aluminum.

And don't be swayed by one bad review - I love my HEs, and have read many other reviews that were favorable.

Hell, one guy mentioned he thought the HEs were WAY better than his FLTA2s...

I know 'dousan' is not a fan of the HEs, and is pretty vocal about it, but they are VERY good for the $$$ - Don't discount them without doing a little more research.

Later - Brian

Post by **Dori Dori** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

I believe you are wrong about the aluminum.

Post by **:: orion ::** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Quote »TYPE-HE high performance damper is reasonably priced and makes it possible to set, which attaches importance to drift(side way) control...

Note: Use of ultra light and strong aluminum - A7050 which is also used in airplanes.[/quote]

From here...

:pface

Plus, I have a set on my S14...they are quite nice.

Later - Brian

Post by **:: orion ::** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

BTW - Here's the thread form over on Zilvia.net about the guys who loves his new Tein HEs, after owning a set of Cusco coilovers and the JIC FLTA2:

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showth...29660

But here' the important text:

"i had JIC FLTA2 japan spec that i used for heavy track, daily drive and drift use for 2 years. i alternate my JIC FLTA2 with my JIC SF1 and Cusco Comp2. i sold my comp2 last year (i liked it but my friend really needs it) now i got stuck with SF1 and FLTA2.

i retired my SF1... ( actually for sale now) the FLTA2 has been abused at the tracks a lot.. it's actually come to a point that my JIC has become too soft for my driving style and my car setup.

now... i got tein he. so far, the best coilovers i have ever owned.i haven't tuned it yet, but it feels pretty good compared to all the coilovers i had in the past (cusco comp2, jic flta2 and sf1).

i highly recommend it... i will do a full review complete with pictures of my recommended setting for drifting. stay tuned..."

Later

Post by **HighwayStar22** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

I have Tein HEs on my 1992 240. I love them. BTW Who knows the damping level on the HEs? I've had mine for two weeks. I thought it was only 16 levels but I've counted the clicks when you turn the adjustment knob and I count 24 levels. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Later.

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

:: orion :: wrote:I know 'dousan' is not a fan of the HEs, and is pretty vocal about it, but they are VERY good for the $$$ - Don't discount them without doing a little more research.

Yeah, I've read Dousan's opinions on the HEs, but quite honestly I wouldn't want springs as stiff as the ones Dousan is looking for.

My main concern was with the spring rate and the rust issue. After some thought, I think the 8/6 spring rate will be fine for me with proper damping and the rust issue should be preventable with maintenance. I'll find some kind of rust inhibitor to put on the threads of the shock body and I'll keep 'em clean, especially during the winter months.

One more question for ya...I'm I correct in assuming the the Tein HE's replace everything from the mounts (I know they've got the pillowball mounts) on down, excluding the bolts that connect the whole thing to the knuckle.

If that's the case, I'll just pick up some new bolts and replace 'em for the hell of it. They're most likely a bit corroded anyway.

Is there anything else I'm forgetting?

Orion...BTW, your car rocks! Forced induction on a KA brings tears to my eyes...in a good way. They're happy tears.

Post by **Dori Dori** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

I don't think that website is correct. The tein site says nothing about them being aluminum, but it does for other products (Tein RA). Why would they neglect to mention that (being that it's a good thing)?

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Dori Dori wrote:I don't think that website is correct. The tein site says nothing about them being aluminum, but it does for other products (Tein RA). Why would they neglect to mention that (being that it's a good thing)?

I don't have 'em yet, but nothing I've read has lead me to believe that the HE's are aluminum. The manual actually mentions that the threaded part of the shock body is coated with some kind of oil to prevent corrosion.

I'm just gonna do my best to properly maintain them and find something to keep on the threads to inhibit corrosion.

I just want to mention that Tein's customer service has thus far been awesome. They've promptly answered everything I've asked them by email and are very polite on the phone.

FYI, you can get different rate Tein springs from authorized dealers for $50/spring. The website lists the acceptable spring rates for each damper. The HE"s *could* run a spine jangling 10/8, but I'm sure 8/6 will be plenty stiff for me. My original Koni/RS-R plans were gonna be something like 5/4.

Post by **Doogz** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Great info on the HE's guys and i think after hearing all of this that i'll end up getting the HE's after all and save myself some money. One more stupid question while we are at it...How in the fug do you pronouce Tein is it "Tee N" or more like "Tine" with a long "I" cuz i've heard both ways and i wanna figure out which is right

Post by **240_Keyy** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Doogz wrote:How in the fug do you pronouce Tein is it "Tee N" or more like "Tine" with a long "I" cuz i've heard both ways and i wanna figure out which is right

yes indeed, which way...

Post by **Dori Dori** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

From the little Japanese I know, I'm would say 'Tee-en' or 'Teen' because 'ti' in Japanese should sound like 'Tee' and the 'e' and the 'n' should sound like 'en'.:peace

Post by **bob marley** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

That's how I used to pronounce it, then I was looking at a tein ad in one of those magazines and they say its tan. The A is pronounced like it is a long vowel (back to elementary school here). Like the word aim for example.

Johann

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