Tein HE's???

Post by **Dori Dori** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

So it's said 'Tane'?

Which magazine did you see that in?

Post by **Doogz** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Holy ****! I thought you guys would answer quickly and then make fun of me for asking. I didn't know this was a topic of much confusion

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Dori Dori wrote:So it's said 'Tane'?

Which magazine did you see that in?

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe it did sound like "tane" when they answered the phone. I know it's not "tine" and pretty sure it's not "teen", so...

Post by **HighwayStar22** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

My vote is for "Tee-en". BTW how many levels of adjustment are in the HE's? I can't find info anywhere. When I do my fronts I get 24 clicks. Am I to suppose they have 24 levels of damping adjustment? I thought they had 16. I'm not sure. Any help would be appreciated. I know it doesn't belong, but anyone know where to get a hood for the S13 conversion?

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

HighwayStar22 wrote:When I do my fronts I get 24 clicks. Am I to suppose they have 24 levels of damping adjustment? I thought they had 16.

The manual that's on Tein's site says "USE ONLY LEVELS 1-16. Exceeding level 16 may damage the damper."

Post by **magicmanjk808** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Dori Dori wrote:From the little Japanese I know, I'm would say 'Tee-en' or 'Teen' because 'ti' in Japanese should sound like 'Tee' and the 'e' and the 'n' should sound like 'en'.:peace

that would be right if it was "tien", but it is spelt "tein". it is pronounced "tane"

sorry if i sound like a jerk, its not meant that way.

Post by **HighwayStar22** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Thank you BadMojo. You prolly just saved me from screwin up my HE's. Later on.

Post by **HaveBlue** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

i know this is very subjective and has been discussed before but i just want some more opinions about it:

What are the HEs like for street use? too stiff? or not too bad?

HB

Post by **Exar-Kun** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

that depends on what you set the dampening to, and your personal taste, allong with other considerations. IE, a TEIN HE with all stock rubber bushings may ride better than the HE with(my future setup), all solid heim joint adjustable suspension peices and alluminum or derlin bushings...-chet

Post by **HaveBlue** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

true. I have poly bushings in the tc rods and i need to do the MOOG tie rod ends and some kind of coilover setup. trying to decide between the flex and HEs. both come with camber plates and are fully adjustable so its a tough choice. daily driver and light track use (i know those dont go together).

HB

Post by **HighwayStar22** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

For daily use HE's might be a bit much. But like it's been said, It all depends on how stiff you like it. I like a stiff ride and the HE's give me that, but by no means is it unbearable, especially if the dampening setting is on the lowest level.

If you plan to use it on the track, HE's. I recommend nothing less. I love them and will use this setup at the 240SX convention on ATL. Motor Speedway, plus the Hyper-Fest drift nationals. BTW.....Be at the convention, or we will hunt you down.

Back to the point, HE's man. Later on.

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

HighwayStar22 wrote:For daily use HE's might be a bit much. But like it's been said, It all depends on how stiff you like it. I like a stiff ride and the HE's give me that, but by no means is it unbearable, especially if the dampening setting is on the lowest level.

What do you currently have your HE's set at? Is the lowest setting overly bouncy?

Post by **HighwayStar22** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Mine are set to 10 right now, like I said I like it stiff. I tried the number one setting and it's not too bad. Big bumps can be a problem becuase of the spring rate, kinda feels like bo-bo coilovers, a little bouncy. But over all, it's not bad.

Post by **Dori Dori** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

To end the aluminum/not aluminum discussion, I wrote Tein an email asking what they were made of and here is their response (I also asked if they were monotube like the RA):

Quote »In regards to your question. Both the HE damper and the RA damper are fully body aluminum, and they are both monotube structures. Our Ra setup is made for gripping style driving and our HE setup is made for drift style driving. Here is a link to more information on the HE kit that we offers.http://www.tein.com/hedamp.html Please contact anyone of our sales atthe office for further assistance. Thank you for your interest in TEIN High Performance Suspension Products[/quote]There you have it. They are in fact aluminum bodied AND they are monotube design.

Also, in regards to the dampening settings...beyond 16 clicks is used by tein when rebuilding your struts. That's it! So don't turn them past that!!

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Dori Dori wrote:To end the aluminum/not aluminum discussion, I wrote Tein an email asking what they were made of and here is their response (I also asked if they were monotube like the RA):

You sir, rock! The HE's are definitely an excellent value. Also for those who are worried about the high spring rates on the street, you can buy new springs for the HE's from any authorized Tein dealer for $50 a piece.

I'm probably going to buy the HE's and two 6 kg/mm springs for the fronts. That way I can start with the softer setting for the street and bump up to 8/6 if I really have to. 6/6 is what the Basic and SS run so it should be pretty streetable.

Thanks Dori Dori!

Post by **Dori Dori** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

You're welcome.

Just so you know, you should be able to special order any tein coilover with whatever spring rates you want. The springs don't come with the coilovers and those are just pre-selected rates. If a shop says you can't do that, find another shop or contact tein. I know when I bought my RA's, I was asked what s/r's I wanted, but I chose to go with the pre-selected ones.

A little advice too...before you order those lighter springs, call Tein and make sure you know what the minimum is. I know some manufactures don't recommend going any more than 1kgf/mm under the pre-selected rates. Also, I don't think the lower spring rate will make too much of a difference. I could actually make the ride worse depending on how the dampers are valved. Anyway, good luck.

Oh, and check this out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...02322

Post by **:: orion ::** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Also, so there is no confusion on adjustment...

There are 24 clicks. If you call fully counterclockwise (softest) #1, and full clockwise (hardest) #24 , you SHOULD NOT use #1-8.

They say do not use more than 16 clicks from full clockwise. So, turning counterclockwise, getting softer as we go, do no go back more than 16 clicks from 24.

It's backwards from what you'd think...

Later - Brian

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Dori Dori wrote:A little advice too...before you order those lighter springs, call Tein and make sure you know what the minimum is. I know some manufactures don't recommend going any more than 1kgf/mm under the pre-selected rates. Also, I don't think the lower spring rate will make too much of a difference. I could actually make the ride worse depending on how the dampers are valved. Anyway, good luck.[/url]

Well, according to this http://www.tein.com/hedamp.html there's a +2/-2 range for both front and back.

I did speak to Tein a few days ago and they would only sell extra springs @ $50 each. They wouldn't "custom order". Maybe they've changed their policies since you ordered your RA's.

The HE's seem like a real bargain. It might not be so bad to have 8 kg/mm spring and 6 kg/mm springs for only $100 extra. If I ever feel the need to go really stiff with the fronts, I can just pop the stiffer springs in.

One more question...the springs on the Tein's with threaded bodies aren't pre-loaded, are they? Can I assume this means that they're installed with the spring snug and *not* compressed? Not having to use a spring compressor would make the whole thing really easy.

Post by **Stee Flo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

actually i think the proper pronunciation for Tein is more like "ten". The name Tein stands for Technical(Te) Inovation(in) i think. If you sound it out, it seems to sound like the number 10. Ive still always pronounced them "tee-in" ha.

Post by **Dori Dori** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

BadMojo wrote:One more question...the springs on the Tein's with threaded bodies aren't pre-loaded, are they? Can I assume this means that they're installed with the spring snug and *not* compressed? Not having to use a spring compressor would make the whole thing really easy.

You are correct in your assumtions.

Post by **HaveBlue** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

ive been looking for a while but im still not sure: whats the difference between the flex and the he? just springrates and the EDFC? someone told me that the flex has 2 spring perches, a top and bottom so you can adjust ride hight without changing suspension travel, is this true and is the HE the same? cant tell from the description and pics on Tein.comHB

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

Well, here's what we've come up with so far...someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The Tein HE are aluminum bodied, while the Flex are painted and teflon coated. Either way, not a problem.

The HE are a mono-tube while the Flex are twin tube design. It sounds like the Flex might be damped with an eye towards comfort.

The bottom bracket on the HE is larger, presumably to deal with the extra lateral force from drifting. This could be a problem if you have aftermarket wheels 6.5" wide or more (in this case an offset of < +38 mm is required.

They both are able to change ride height without sacrificing suspension travel. They both have threaded shock bodies, like a true coilover is supposed to.

Other than that, I can't think of anything else besides EDFC and the spring rates.

Oh, the Flex cost a few hundred more.

Post by **240_Keyy** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

1. Correct2. Correct again3. Yep, but it is actually the spring perches that are the problem4. uh huh, right on5. Flex is carpet queen coilover6. see number 5

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

240_Keyy wrote:1. Correct2. Correct again3. Yep, but it is actually the spring perches that are the problem4. uh huh, right on5. Flex is carpet queen coilover6. see number 5

Ah, excellent. Thanks for the correction. I wish I could find some good photos of the HE's. They really look badass.

Post by **240_Keyy** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

go check my webshots site under the parts folder, link is in my sig...

Post by **BadMojo** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:52 am

240_Keyy wrote:go check my webshots site under the parts folder, link is in my sig...

Verrrry nice. Like Car p0rn.

Is that a Cusco oval shaft STB in the background of the Tein HE picture?

Are those Battle Version Adjustable Tension Rods?

If so, how do you like 'em?

Tein HE's???

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