Tea Party? 56K warning

[480sx]

Last cartoon ftw.

[audtatious]

BTW, where are all the news reports of people getting arrested? I have heard there was 1 arrest somewhere but there seemed to be no broken windows, fights or other vandalism like you see when the leftist extremist groups get together. Are these right extremist groups simply wussies?

[szh]

Sorry! I have to keep going with the cartoons. This is so apropo:



to the cartoonist!

Z

[szh]

Regular listeners to the Howard Stern show are all familar with the term "Tea Bagging"

To those of you out in the boonies, I'll help you all out here

Fox noise did an outstanding job promoting the tea bag party

Fair and balanced my a**

I think many of those that turned out were mostly sore losers over the November election?

Tch, tch. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

(Above quoted post was edited to clean it up ...)

Z

[Cold_Zero]

Sorry! I have to keep going with the cartoons. This is so apropo:



to the cartoonist!

Z

Apparently in her rush to make the Tea Party attendants look like fools, CNN's Roesgen, forgot that the $400 Obama tax credit that she so duly lifted up, was:1. Was taken from the person (taxed) and is now being returned2. Printed by the Treasury and now the recipient is now on the hook for the debt.

Either way, there are no free-bees

You can tell that people are scared s***less. When 15 legal Mexicans show up to a park to protest our Immigration Laws, it’s a mass rally and a national movement. When thousands and tens of thousands of people show up to a rally to a Tax/Government Spending Rally, it is:1. Mocked by the media2. The numbers are skewed to show less people3. It is called an Anti Government or Anti Obama rally4. The major law enforcement agency in the land issues warnings that invoke imagery of an old movement 10 years ago, with out any real credible threats.5. Attendants to the rally are made to feel like bad parents for taking their children6. It is described as right wing, angry, hateful, subversive and racist.

[telcoman]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/fu...24273

[WDRacing]

Regular listeners to the Howard Stern show are all familar with the term "Tea Bagging"

To those of you out in the boonies, I'll help you all out here

Fox noise did an outstanding job promoting the tea bag party

Fair and balanced my a**

I think many of those that turned out were mostly sore losers over the November election?

I edited your post, clean it up Howie. This isn't 240 Gen...

[telcoman]

Not to bad bro, how have you been? I actually got a promotion at work two weeks ago.

Congrats on the promotion

So you'll be earning more money and paying less taxes with the Obama tax cuts.

Nice

[audtatious]

Drink it Howie

[Cold_Zero]

Congrats on the promotion

So you'll be earning more money and paying less taxes with the Obama tax cuts.

Nice

Thank you! Yes my big whopping $400 tax cut from Obama. I guess that amortized over 26 pay checks is $16 a pay check! Yahoo! Let me go stimulate the economy. At that point, why not just keep the money, Uncle Sam, not monetize it into the National Debt and pursue real sound economic policies.

[BusyBadger]

At that point, why not just keep the money, Uncle Sam, not monetize it into the National Debt and pursue real sound economic policies.

Because the people out there that think $400 is a lot of money, aren't not smart enough to see the big picture and think that the Pres is really looking out for them are also the ones that put him in power.

P-Bo is feeding his dogs table scraps and they're happy about it.

[smockers83]

I was watching Fox News the other day and some lady anchor, no idea who she was, but it was obviously her segment/show, had commentators talking about "proof" that taxes are too high.

Their proof was the fact that, at record rates since such and such a year, people aren't filing their taxes on time because they can't afford them. They partially attributed it to the down economy, but mainly pointed to taxes being too high, trying to deride Obama's tax plan. I call complete BS on this one and I'll tell you why.

Feel free to correct me because maybe I don't have my story straight. Anyway, what we were taxed under for this April were the Bush taxes which are set to expire in 2010, which would be when Obama's tax plan is set to take place, as there is a one-year policy lag between administrations. So, in essence, these people, right wingers on Fox News, were deriding Bush's taxes but trying to say they're Obama's tax increases. It's not an issue of whether taxes are too high or not right now, it's the friggin economy. People just can't afford it, they don't have the money. Should they have planned a little better, sure, but at this point in time with the way the economy is, they just don't have it.

Now, at the same time, from everything that I've heard, Obama's tax plan is to reduce taxes on the majority of Americans while increasing them on people who make $250,000+. In order for filing extensions and people not paying on time at record rates, this would have to occur in the majority of Americans, the people who make <$250,000. It would be this majority that would be having a hard time to pay taxes in this economy. I'm not saying the other people don't find it difficult, but they probably find it a little less difficult than the majority. So if they want to deride Obama's tax increases, I don't know, it just doesn't make sense at all. If the commentators were posters on this forum and they came in here making their arguments, I probably would have torn them a new one.

Now, this brings me to the tea parties. I can understand the reasoning for them due to the alarming increase in government spending, but what tax increases are you guys protesting? Future taxes are going to have to be higher in order to pay for this, is this it? Because, again, if I have my story straight, the majority of people should not be seeing a tax increase, and according to the business dude on FN (I forget his name, but he's one of the few I like), he didn't meet too many rich people at these things.

Now, taxes are going to have to increase. But does that necessarily mean we need to increase tax rates? No, the government needs to figure out how to generate the maximum amount of revenue, but that doesn't always correlate with higher tax rates. I wish administrations looked at taxes empirically instead of politically.
Modified by smockers83 at 5:06 PM 4/19/2009

[audtatious]

The tea parties are to protest all the additional spending that the Gov is throwing out. Sure, some are going to pinpoint Obama and some are going to speak out against the Gov in general.

Guess if someone feels that spending more to get out of an economical downturn is the proper thing to do then they will think anyone who protests at the tea parties are idiots.

You are correct, the taxes today are for 2008. Not sure if the tax code itself has been changed other than some percentages since Obama took office?

Wonder what the Gov would do if all the top earners filed for an extension. We all know those who get a refund have filed.

[JustinStrife]

The tea parties are to protest all the additional spending that the Gov is throwing out. Sure, some are going to pinpoint Obama and some are going to speak out against the Gov in general.

Guess if someone feels that spending more to get out of an economical downturn is the proper thing to do then they will think anyone who protests at the tea parties are idiots.

You are correct, the taxes today are for 2008. Not sure if the tax code itself has been changed other than some percentages since Obama took office?Wonder what the Gov would do if all the top earners filed for an extension. We all know those who get a refund have filed.

The Government would find other ways to increase their taxes or pass the taxes onto us.

The Government always gets it's cut.

[audtatious]

The Gov is supposed to be our representatives so they don't need a "cut". It seems you must be a spendthrift to get any representation today.

[JustinStrife]

The Gov is supposed to be our representatives so they don't need a "cut". It seems you must be a spendthrift to get any representation today.

You've heard the stories. You've seen the video clips. You've read/heard the opinions of the Average American. The U.S. Government is one big baby-sitter.

[smockers83]

Alright, so I was right for the most part on the party protests.

I don't really think most of the people there are idiots at all. Spending is alarmingly high and some of it is controversial. But at the same time, government money is currently replacing the private sector's money that has been pulled out. In a recession, this is necessary in order to keep economic volatility low. As we have learned throughout history, a more stable economy is much better and preferable than a unstable, highly volatile one. So with that in mind, some spending is inevitable. How much, well that's what these parties are all about.

[audtatious]

There is no real precedent to establish whether Gov money (out of Joe Citizens pocket) is actually necessary to stimulate Joe Citizen to resolve economic volatility. Not that I know of at least.

[brizanden]

The Gov is supposed to be our representatives so they don't need a "cut".

Or so you would think, but i think its obvious that thats not how it works anymore. Im just confused on this whole thing. So the tea baggers are people protesting taxes? If that is the case i find it hard to believe that no "liberal" people would be in on this.

Also i find it very interesting that Fox who blatenly lies (we can go with miscontrous the truth if you guys prefer) to its viewers in order to support the government's every decision would so openly support the anti-government position.

Idk i think people need to stop thinking politics and just start doing whats best for our country. Now is not the time to be bashing each other for views. We need to come togther as a country, but i think due to wealth of knowledge now accesable we are jsut gonna continue to find ways to b**** at each other and say who is right the whole time destroying ourselves to the point where the united states turns into a russia (post industrial disconnected wasteland of a super power, not failing communist country).

[Cold_Zero]

Im just confused on this whole thing. So the tea baggers are people protesting taxes? If that is the case i find it hard to believe that no "liberal" people would be in on this.

Is it that hard to believe that Liberals think for themselves? I will admit that most Liberals think that Big Government is the answer to this country's problems and not part of the problem. But I know plenty of Liberals that at the end of the day, want to hang on to more of their paycheck. It's not that outrageous of a thought.

Quote »Also i find it very interesting that Fox who blatenly lies (we can go with miscontrous the truth if you guys prefer) to its viewers in order to support the government's every decision would so openly support the anti-government position. [/quote]This is a misguided statement. TEA Parties anti government? NO the TEA Parties are Anti BIG Government. Get it right. The concept of the TEA Party is simple, we are Taxed Enough Already. So bigger government and bigger government spending with the ensuing higher taxes that would have to be raised to pay for the spending and debt management is what people are protesting.

Quote »Idk i think people need to stop thinking politics and just start doing whats best for our country. Now is not the time to be bashing each other for views. We need to come togther as a country, but i think due to wealth of knowledge now accesable we are jsut gonna continue to find ways to b**** at each other and say who is right the whole time destroying ourselves to the point where the united states turns into a russia (post industrial disconnected wasteland of a super power, not failing communist country).[/quote]Spoken like a true ideolog. Turn brain off citizen and do what Dear Leader Chairman maObama says! Arbeit macht frei!

Seriously, now is exactly the right time to be talking and to be politicking to make sure we put our country on the right path. Not to have a bunch of bad spending programs and domestic policies rammed down our throats. The only reason why the Liberals, Obamallamas and the Main Stream Press don't want any discussion on the issue or dissent for that matter is because they want President Obama to succeed.

What I can’t understand is why the same people that were proclaiming that, “Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism” and called for Impeachment and death to the President under the Bush Administration are somehow shocked that someone could be against the policies of the President of the United States. To somehow think that it could be unpatriotic and subversive it is to want President Obama to fail with his policies. Talk about moxie, Flip Flop and Change In Course.

[audtatious]

Because it is OK to have dissent against what they see as opposing viewpoints but the other way around is not fair nor to be tolerated.

[RiceRocketGal]

I didn't go to any of them but I certainly support the movement. I must say, however, as a conservative I feel a bit hypocritical listening to our people talking about how patriotic it is to protest and dissent after they spent 8 years calling protesters and dissenters "America-Haters", etc.

I wish we could take the theater and the actors out of politics. I wish we could come together and protest without Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck cheering us on. I wish the other side could speak their minds without it becoming a battle cry for the likes of Michael Moore and Al Franken. I wish the media would stay out of our government and stop pimping out the downfalls of our nation to the highest bidding advertiser.

If the media would stay out of these things I would be more likely to attend them. As it is... it just feels like a performance... and I'm not much of an actor.

[brizanden]

Spoken like a true ideolog. Turn brain off citizen and do what Dear Leader Chairman maObama says! Arbeit macht frei!

Seriously, now is exactly the right time to be talking and to be politicking to make sure we put our country on the right path. Not to have a bunch of bad spending programs and domestic policies rammed down our throats. The only reason why the Liberals, Obamallamas and the Main Stream Press don't want any discussion on the issue or dissent for that matter is because they want President Obama to succeed.

Im not at all saying listen to the government always and fully. i completely disagree with that as you do. Im saying that all us citizens need to come together to make a stand to do what is best for our country as a whole. Not argue over wether the left or right is right... Because i seriously think the only way the government that has ridden away from the people will listen to us is if we stand united and say what we really want. Instead we stand around and trash each other so they look down and say, "oh they dont even know what they want, but dont worry we know better then them so we will do everything (and be corrupt and unfaithful to america's needs)".Thats just my opinion and i try to read into things and pick my own views not be consitently left or right winged in my opinions.
Modified by brizanden at 11:43 PM 4/20/2009

[CakeDaddy]

Telling someone else how to raise their child...spoken like a true leftist.

You really dont deserve a reply , but............ You appear to be the typical right wing basket by drawing your own conclusion when I clearly said, "please reconsider........"

My point was simple..... How would you explain this to a 6 year old if you somehow just walk upon it? <-- rhetorical question.

[480sx]

"Look kid, thats a guy dressed in a costume to try to be clever and make a point. Hes drawing attention to himself, trying to get people to see him. That way, people will want to read what he has to say on the sign"

Im pretty sure no childhood innocence is going to be lost or traumatization is going to occur. In fact i think it would make a good impression on a kid and get one thinking. The whole atmosphere of such an event is one everyone, regardless of age should take place in. Democracy at its finest.

[audtatious]

You really dont deserve a reply , but............ You appear to be the typical right wing basket by drawing your own conclusion when I clearly said, "please reconsider........"

My point was simple..... How would you explain this to a 6 year old if you somehow just walk upon it? <-- rhetorical question.

How yould you explain this to a 6yo if you somehow just walk upon it?

[Cold_Zero]

You really dont deserve a reply , but............ You appear to be the typical right wing basket by drawing your own conclusion when I clearly said, "please reconsider........"

My point was simple..... How would you explain this to a 6 year old if you somehow just walk upon it? <-- rhetorical question.

I would be happy to Explain this guy (dressed as Satan) and the concept of the conspiracy theory of the "New World Order" to my daughter (3.5 yo), than having to explain to my daughter why the Burger King commercial has Sponge Bob Square Pants dancing with women with square butt shaking all around.

[RiceRocketGal]

I would be more inclined to say..

"See hun, A bunch of Americans were upset about the way our government was handling out country and our money... so they decided to get together and protest in hopes of showing the elected officials in both parties that the voters want our country back... but then people like this jack@ss showed up wanting all the attention for themselves and turned it into a partisan circus...

Hunny the lesson to be learned is that if you and your teddy bears are gonna have a tea party.. don't let anyone know cameras will be present... because if you do every attention hungry idiot on the block will show up and ruin your tea party."

[Cold_Zero]

Good one

[smockers83]

There is no real precedent to establish whether Gov money (out of Joe Citizens pocket) is actually necessary to stimulate Joe Citizen to resolve economic volatility. Not that I know of at least.

Doesn't have necessarily to be money to stimulate Joe. Part of the calculation of GDP includes a government component, so when the consumer component begins to fall, the government can ramp up its spending to offset the consumer, thus reducing volatility.