I have been reading this forum for a while now and would like some people to participate in describing their suspension setups as there seems to be alot of confusion as to what parts need to be upgraded, etc. So please...
What year is your 240?What purpose does your vehicle serve most of the time (Auto-X, Drifting, Track, Daily Driving, etc.)?What suspension components have you replaced?What aftermarket parts on your vehicle would you recommend/oppose?
If you feel like you have anything else to add (comparing to previous parts) please do so. Try and keep this thread on topic (as many of the previous threads like this in the past have gone very far off track).
Suspension Setups
I have a 1998 240SXI use it as my daily driverI've replaced my head unit with a Sony Xplod one, HKS exhaust, upper strut bar and filter, 17" JDM Racing Gears with Sumitomo HTRZs, and Dropzone lowering springs.I recommend the HKS Hiper exhaust, it has a nice mellow tone to it and looks great on 240s. DO NOT get any wheels with an offset higher than +40, those were made for FWD cars.I think that's it....
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driftaholic
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driftaholic wrote:'91 fastbackdaily driver with auto-x/drift abilityST front/rear swaybars, pilor front/rear strut bars, KYB AGX struts, Tein S.Tech springs,Pilot strut bars are hollow. get solid ones (*dang*).
whats the ride quality like with your setup? Stiff, bouncy, too low, bottoms out, etc.
Also on the AGX's do you find that it makes a big difference between the soft and hard settings?
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driftaholic
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-93 coupe-autox/ drift/ track days-j30 LSD-tein HE w/ upper pillow ball mounts & camber plates-ST swaybars w/ poly bushings-300zx brakes/ stainless lines-300zx wheels-s14 5 lug hubs-whiteline bushings: front control arms/ TC Rods/ rear control arms/ subframe/ rear upper arms-Whiteline front and rear strut tower bars
love the setup. It is stiff but that's the way it's supposed to be.
adam
love the setup. It is stiff but that's the way it's supposed to be.
adam
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Structure240sx
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whats up adam, I'm wondering exactly what the rods do: you have the whiteline bushings, what do they do? you have front and rear control arms. are they adjustable? what was the purpose in those? and the upper arms?sounds like you have a good setup, I'm wanting to drift/roadrace, I have autox and like it, and want to have a setup that offers a compromise to both grip and drift driving. many of the japan test drives judge on the car's ability to handle both. thanks for the help!defigh wrote:-93 coupe-autox/ drift/ track days-j30 LSD-tein HE w/ upper pillow ball mounts & camber plates-ST swaybars w/ poly bushings-300zx brakes/ stainless lines-300zx wheels-s14 5 lug hubs-whiteline bushings: front control arms/ TC Rods/ rear control arms/ subframe/ rear upper arms-Whiteline front and rear strut tower bars
love the setup. It is stiff but that's the way it's supposed to be.
adam
I have all the original suspension parts, but pressed whiteline bushings into them. None of the control rods are adjustable. The bushings stiffen up the response and get rid of the sloppy feeling associated with the OE bushings. I really like the setup. It is stiff, but the car isn't my daily driver so I can deal with it. Let me know if you have any questions.
adam
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MainEvent212
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heres what I will be running, but dont have yet..if that helps:RPS13, 1993-Suspension Techniques sway bars f/r-Battle version front t/c rods, rear toe link, upper arm, and forward arm-GP sports, TEIN RS, or Cusco "RS"(similar to tein) coilovers(all offer complete adjustability)-NISMO front controll arm bushings, rear subframe bushings, engine/transmission mounts-Cusco rear C/F strut bar(done)-APex-I front strut bar(done)-Pirelli Pzero corcsa competition tires, 224-45-17 front 255-35-18 rear(or maybe 245-40-17)
purpose it serves: mostly road racing and hard street use..it wont be a pretty daiy driver(great track car...crap for daily driveability..oh well) its not there yet, but hey...thats why its called a project :p
Things I recommend depend vastly on the application(both car, driver and use)....
Things I oppose(C-kwick will argue this with me to the death) -sleeve coil-overs...I dont like them for various reasons already discussed with C-kwick :p
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purpose it serves: mostly road racing and hard street use..it wont be a pretty daiy driver(great track car...crap for daily driveability..oh well) its not there yet, but hey...thats why its called a project :p
Things I recommend depend vastly on the application(both car, driver and use)....
Things I oppose(C-kwick will argue this with me to the death) -sleeve coil-overs...I dont like them for various reasons already discussed with C-kwick :p
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good advice. I am just unsure as to what dealer to buy the whitelines from.http://www.limecreekmotorsports.com/
or:
http://www.pdm-racing.com/
-chetenjuku racing carries the suspension techniques bars.
or:
http://www.pdm-racing.com/
-chetenjuku racing carries the suspension techniques bars.
exar-kun,hey, why do you say it's too stiff? still learning about suspension stuff, gotta look up the sleeved coilover deal. why did you go with front t/c rods instead of rear? would you guys say springs or coilovers for daily driver/roadrace/drift/ultimate sport compact car challenge? (should I make that last bit into a new thread?)
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Hehe, I am not sure what your application is but its all about how much you can tolerate. And how often you take your car off the street. If you are big into racing and have the cash, you would probably benefit from the coils. If not go with something like Eibach Sportline or Whiteline Springs and adjustable shocks. You will get alot of good information with searches on this forums and forums.freshally.com.
most people may "want" a race-spring, which is very stiff, but dont want the ride problem associated with it(IE hurting your butt when you hit a rock in the road)...
-technically, T/C rods only exist on the front.
"daily driver/roadrace/drift/ultimate sport compact car challenge" this is nearly stupfying. you cant prioritize all of those. PICK ONE. what you're asking for is similar to buying a turbo for "max power, low lag, and high low-rpm and high rpm-efficiency"...its not gonna happen. daily driver and road race dont mix, and a drift setup is completely different from any of those others.
it sounds like you dont relaly know what you want, or why you want it. Dont get coilover sleeves, dont ven bother looking into them. Figure out what you really want your car to be for, and dont bull**** yourself. If its a "jack of all trades" a set of eibachs, KYB AGX shocks, and a set of swaybars will do nicely.-chet
-technically, T/C rods only exist on the front.
"daily driver/roadrace/drift/ultimate sport compact car challenge" this is nearly stupfying. you cant prioritize all of those. PICK ONE. what you're asking for is similar to buying a turbo for "max power, low lag, and high low-rpm and high rpm-efficiency"...its not gonna happen. daily driver and road race dont mix, and a drift setup is completely different from any of those others.
it sounds like you dont relaly know what you want, or why you want it. Dont get coilover sleeves, dont ven bother looking into them. Figure out what you really want your car to be for, and dont bull**** yourself. If its a "jack of all trades" a set of eibachs, KYB AGX shocks, and a set of swaybars will do nicely.-chet
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1990 fastbackdaily/some streeti plan on makin it a daily/some street/track(i plan on sacrificing some track stuff to make it a reasonable daily)so far i have eibach pro kit and kyb gr2's all aroundi plan on s/t front and rear sway bars
tha main reason i went with eibach/gr2 is 1) cheap but better than stock and 2) i live in new hampshire so i have to carefully pick what i get due to very unstable surfaces
tha main reason i went with eibach/gr2 is 1) cheap but better than stock and 2) i live in new hampshire so i have to carefully pick what i get due to very unstable surfaces
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tupac03602
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actually i got a question mainly directed towards exar but anyone can jump in, i have been readin alot on tein springs/struts/shocks and they seem to be good because i havent (i dont think) heard any complaints about them but would they be a good setup for track/daily (very lil street too) or do u think they would be too stiff? i live on top of a mountain and there is alot of dips/dives and a multitude of bumps noting big in tha mid summer-early fall but enuf for me to think if u know what i mean.
what's up guys, hey thanks for the advice Matt and Exar (chet?). As with all good advice, it's not exactly what I want to hear, but it's sound. I guess I want to do all, but have a limited budget. I don't expect to have everything overnight, this is a long term project.
autox will be a big part. I do this every time, and with SCCA and ER, but roadracing is a lot more fun. unfortunately roadracing is expensive, and only every couple of months, when I have the money, so more like 4 times a year.
that leaves drag racing, which I like and all my friends are into, and you can go race every weekend, but the 240 is a car that turns, and that's my true love; tests of actual driving skill and balanced handling/performance.. I want to learn to drift also, which I suppose you can do anywhere, but I will reserve that to a parking lot until I get better.
The USCC is kinda farfetched, but it shows the caliber of car I want to build. I'd like also to do some shows, and I'm trying to decide which kit I'll go with. (don't worry, I'm still a dsm'er at heart and my car won't be rice) The engine swap won't happen for a couple of years, and I'm debating on even touching the engine at all until then, or just working on suspension.
Does this help at all? As before, your constructive critisicm is welcome and wanted. Hope this thread isn't too long......
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autox will be a big part. I do this every time, and with SCCA and ER, but roadracing is a lot more fun. unfortunately roadracing is expensive, and only every couple of months, when I have the money, so more like 4 times a year.
that leaves drag racing, which I like and all my friends are into, and you can go race every weekend, but the 240 is a car that turns, and that's my true love; tests of actual driving skill and balanced handling/performance.. I want to learn to drift also, which I suppose you can do anywhere, but I will reserve that to a parking lot until I get better.
The USCC is kinda farfetched, but it shows the caliber of car I want to build. I'd like also to do some shows, and I'm trying to decide which kit I'll go with. (don't worry, I'm still a dsm'er at heart and my car won't be rice) The engine swap won't happen for a couple of years, and I'm debating on even touching the engine at all until then, or just working on suspension.
Does this help at all? As before, your constructive critisicm is welcome and wanted. Hope this thread isn't too long......
Duke's gonna wup up on Ku! :ylsuper
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tupac03602 wrote:do u think they would be too stiff?
Yes. A common misconception about Coilovers is that; since they can be adjusted, I can make em hard for racing, and soft for daily driving.
Not true, with Teins (and many others) you can either select hard or harder. May be a large genereralization but I think alot will agree with me on this one.
Tupac:TEIN makes nice quality stuff, their springs are set up in a way that I like, being a linear rate spring. AS far as their shocks and struts, I assume your talking about coilovers...goto teins page and find which setup is what you want. most people are best served by something like the HA or HE...but even that is a fairly stiff spring setting.
As for AJ-Spec: If your on a budget,and want all the things you describe, I would save up until you could get a setup like the TEIN HA, or something similar like the JIC FLT-a2. You wont be able to have a good drag race setup as well as a drag setup, they require bastly different spring and dampner settings. while a coilover might help this, no coilover is THAT adjustable. FOr autocross and most road racing on a budget, a set of TEIN springs and AGX, or koni adjustable shock would serve you pretty well given the budget restrictions. Otherwise, supposing you save upo over 1500 dollars, I would check into the race-spec shocks..like apex-I n-1, GP sports, TEIN RA/RS, ZEAL b6, Cusco R. The reason GP sports is in there is because of its spring setting and adjustability. Its the coilover I am personally leaning toward for my car(road race) given its relative in-expensiveness..-chet
As for AJ-Spec: If your on a budget,and want all the things you describe, I would save up until you could get a setup like the TEIN HA, or something similar like the JIC FLT-a2. You wont be able to have a good drag race setup as well as a drag setup, they require bastly different spring and dampner settings. while a coilover might help this, no coilover is THAT adjustable. FOr autocross and most road racing on a budget, a set of TEIN springs and AGX, or koni adjustable shock would serve you pretty well given the budget restrictions. Otherwise, supposing you save upo over 1500 dollars, I would check into the race-spec shocks..like apex-I n-1, GP sports, TEIN RA/RS, ZEAL b6, Cusco R. The reason GP sports is in there is because of its spring setting and adjustability. Its the coilover I am personally leaning toward for my car(road race) given its relative in-expensiveness..-chet
why tein over jic? I think I like the sound of flt-a2's and some nismo bushings. yeah, it will be stiff, but I really, really hate being to soft. stock control arms, but for daily driving, will t/c rods bust my ***? I read on the jic's with bushings, and they said it was stiff, but not won't shake the fillings out of your teeth. watch out for potholes, as anyone with firm setups or lowpro tires or 18's would say.
btw, what are upper a arms?
btw, what are upper a arms?