Supercharged KA

Post by **rousie13** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

Has anyone supercharged their KA24DE? I was strongly thinking SR, but I want to be unique. Also, would it be cheaper doing an SR swap or supercharging a KA to get to 300rwhp? My goal for my car is to get 300rwhp, and doing it the cheapest way possible as I'm still in college. Also if you've supercharged, what type of supercharger you use?

Post by **Barney_240** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

Hey wuz up dude.. well has for supercharing the ka24de i haven't heard or seen one done yet. i know there was a company up in Ohio, US trying to supercharge a KA24DE with a vortech supercharger. They have tried various attempts and always ran into problems.

My suggestion is boosting your car (turbo). If you want to stick to the KA24DE.. all you would need is to piece up parts and a nice cheap front mount could get you 300rwhp with no problem.

It's all up to you dude.. like you said your in college and college = money.

-Barney aka Anthony (my real name)

GOOD LUCK BRO!

Post by **Megaseth** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

Super charging the KA would be difficult because of the location of some of the parts for the motor and SC setup. The SC and Manifold would be the biggest problem. even if you remove the battery, you still have very little room. But like you and Barney said, its all in the money. if you want to invest the time and money, then go ahead, but its not an easy setup and you might just loose a lot of money trying to do it.

Post by **MaineExport** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

Custom fabrication of a SC for a KA would cost more than buying an already built SR. A turbo kit for your KA would cost about the same as a stock SR. One you start pushing enough boost to bring the KA up to 300rwhp, you need to consider building up the internals. It's just not an engine that's made to put out those numbers without a rebuild and beefy internals. The SR will tune up to 300rwhp without any need to open the engine. BUT, once you get past 300+ then once again... you have to start building up the internals.

No matter what you do it's gonna be expensive. The cheapest route to 300 hp seems to be the SR.... but there are arguments that could pull you either way. It really boils down to personal opinion.

Post by **rousie13** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

That kinda sucks as I was looking forward to a supercharger. I want the power as soon as you hit the gas with no lag. Kinda looks like I'm going with the SR unless I find a kit or someone to supercharge my KA.

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

i know its kinda pricey, but have you considered an rb25det??, not super cheap, but the way SR's are now (so popular) they are becoming more pricey, but still very few people do RB swaps, so they are relativley cheap (for the engine anyway) and with that you'd be pushing 25ohp ish and have 6cyl!!, just a thought, also, the CA has superman strength internals and can handle 3oohp too, so you have many options, supercharging the KA seems to be one of the more expensive ones tho

Post by **rousie13** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

Yeah I know all of my options. The RB and supercharged KA would be my engines of choice, but not sure that I can afford them this winter, as my engine has 165k and the clutch isn't too great. So thats why I was looking at doing it this winter, otherwise I save up until the following winter. Why does the KA have to be so hard to supercharge?(sad face if I knew how to do it)

Post by **trpower7** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

If you are in college you frankly can't afford any of these options. Unless you want to just be a slave to work the whole time. I'm in college too, I know. Don't be enchanted by $3K swap stories, etc, it's just not that cheap. Do some more research and define your goals a little more, and don't jump the gun when you get some money, any option to get 200+ hp is going to be a substantial amount, and a supercharged KA is almost completely out of the question on any kind of college budget.

Post by **MainEvent212** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

what about one of those vortech centrifugal SC's?

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

or u could just start ripping EVERYTHING out of your 24o and save 5oolbs, then itd feel like you had 2oohp and it wouldnt cost a dime!!

Post by **Megaseth** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

mainevent212 wrote:what about one of those vortech centrifugal SC's?

It still has to do with the placement of the intake manifold, Throttle body, SC, belt and MAF. there is very little room to put anything where it needs to be. but im sure it can be done, buts its going to be hella difficult and hella expensive.

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

yea, IMO, not worth all the money

Post by **rousie13** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

Yeah I got that impression. I thought it would be a lot easier than it actually was, I guess I can scrap that idea. Back to the drawing board.

Post by **skydragoness** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

trpower7 wrote:If you are in college you frankly can't afford any of these options. Unless you want to just be a slave to work the whole time. I'm in college too, I know. Don't be enchanted by $3K swap stories, etc, it's just not that cheap. Do some more research and define your goals a little more, and don't jump the gun when you get some money, any option to get 200+ hp is going to be a substantial amount, and a supercharged KA is almost completely out of the question on any kind of college budget.

excellent replyi've been swooned by talk of SR's and CA swaps for cheap. but i don't have the money or time to commit to such a project.plus i autocross, so i've debated that going turbo would make things a bit more difficult for me, i'll be put in a tougher class, and then there's turbo lag, since the autocrosses i go to are low-speed.

but anyhow, on a college student budget, stick with n/a for now, lots of bolt-on's do help the KA pack a little more bite

and working on suspension components is rewarding too.

you've also got to consider what you plan to do with the car, race? or street driving? etc etc

Post by **cnichols** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

Megaseth wrote:It still has to do with the placement of the intake manifold, Throttle body, SC, belt and MAF. there is very little room to put anything where it needs to be. but im sure it can be done, buts its going to be hella difficult and hella expensive.

What about removing the A/C and using the holes where the compressor mounts to the block for mounting a centrifugal blower?

Relocate the Power Steering a little and switch to an electric fan....what's stopping you? Just run a pipe from the supercharger to the throttle body, an oil feed line to the supercharger, and an oil return line. Find a belt that will work and I really don't see why it's not possible.

Am I forgetting something?

Post by **rousie13** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

Good idea Chris, I might have to look into it. I want an electric fan anyway, and remove my A/C. While I'm at it, maybe remove the power steering, just kidding. I'll take my car to a local guy who works on engines and see what he has to say about the supercharger. Who knows what will end up happening with my car's motor.

Post by **APEXi240** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

depends on what you want to use the car for.

If its an S13, just put an RB20 in it. Complete motor (and clips in some places) can be had for 1500-2000.

Post by **JESTER** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

Two words, Nitrous Oxide.

It is cheap, effective, and you only have to worry about it when you use it.

With proper fuel managment it is perfectly safe (if your engine is in good shap), and you dont get too carried away.

Check out some of the nitrous thread in the all motor forum.

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

do a search for supercharged ka there are a couple threads and I know there is one guy on the boardds who has done the supercharged ka.

Post by **trpower7** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

Yeah, alot of this info is bogus and not a good idea for someone as novice as the poster seems. A supercharger isn't NEAR as simple as just removing the A/C compressor, you would have to fab a braket to use those holes, somehow fab a pulley that uses the KA's belt for that location, you would have to choose a blower that worked for your specific application, not to mention all the fuel hassles that go with FI or even nitrous. It's talk like this that gets kids in over their heads. For a college student, something like this is very nearly out of the question. Period.

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

I believe it was a powerdyne supercharger the guy used.

Post by **LaureltheQueen** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

My first car's name was Barney......

Rode in a supercharged GSR. i liked it more than the turboed civic that it runs with alot.

Post by **skydragoness** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

trpower7 wrote:Yeah, alot of this info is bogus and not a good idea for someone as novice as the poster seems. A supercharger isn't NEAR as simple as just removing the A/C compressor, you would have to fab a braket to use those holes, somehow fab a pulley that uses the KA's belt for that location, you would have to choose a blower that worked for your specific application, not to mention all the fuel hassles that go with FI or even nitrous. It's talk like this that gets kids in over their heads. For a college student, something like this is very nearly out of the question. Period.

:Werdyou got to be realistic.with the way my budget is working right now, i've got to save for months to just get an exhaust. and it took me 3 months to get the agx's/sportlines.. it's all over a long period of time.

Post by **trpower7** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

Absolutely. I'm on a FIVE YEAR plan to get my car to where I want it. FIVE YEARS. But I've got realistic, time set, budgeted goals, like any student or non-professional looking to upgrade will have.

Post by **cnichols** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

trpower7 wrote:Yeah, alot of this info is bogus and not a good idea for someone as novice as the poster seems. A supercharger isn't NEAR as simple as just removing the A/C compressor, you would have to fab a braket to use those holes, somehow fab a pulley that uses the KA's belt for that location, you would have to choose a blower that worked for your specific application, not to mention all the fuel hassles that go with FI or even nitrous. It's talk like this that gets kids in over their heads. For a college student, something like this is very nearly out of the question. Period.

I'm not an idiot...of course you would have to fab a bracket to use the holes...I'm just saying that the location would be about the only one I could think of if he's set on doing this. I agree that it would be better to use a turbo...no question about that.

Budget wise for a college student...I think any serious performance mod except nitrous is out of the question...or should be if you have any sense. Forced induction and cheap should NEVER be used in the same conversation.

Post by **skydragoness** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

trpower7 wrote:Absolutely. I'm on a FIVE YEAR plan to get my car to where I want it. FIVE YEARS. But I've got realistic, time set, budgeted goals, like any student or non-professional looking to upgrade will have.

that sounds like me allright.

Post by **rousie13** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

I know see the the supercharger is way out of my league on this car anyway. I also know that any major mod's you do to the engine is going to cost, and can't be done for "cheap", unless you want sh** sitting under your hood. I was just thinking about purchasing the engine and working on it over a period of time, and then having it installed, but right now it's just me thinking about what I want to do next with my car. I'm either debating engine or suspension, but my car has a lot of miles so thats why I was leaning towards the engine.

Post by **SloMoe** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

I know Unstable-hybrids was working on a SC kit for the 240, but last I heard it was on hold, because they were too busy with other projects, and didnt wanna fund it. But if you got some extra cash that you wanna spend im sure they will continue development on it. More info here http://www.unstable-hybrids.com/

Post by **Megaseth** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

i wouldnt mind getting just a stock KA EorDE, it depends on space and size, and trying turboing it and SCing it. that would be a helluva project but so damn cool when you lay down a constant 300hp in all rev ranges. or maybe even a SR20DE for just supercharging.

Post by **Zebrahead** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:34 am

Barney_240 wrote:My suggestion is boosting your car (turbo).

The term boost can be used for both turbo's and superchargers, considering they both use compressors to force compressed air into a motor (the term "boost"). The only difference is a turbocharger is exhaust driven, while a supercharger is crank driven.

Nick.

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