Subframe spacers vs. pineapples. vs. nismo subframe bushings, also coils vs. agx

[deuceforty]

spacers are 42 on ebay, pineapples are 55, the nismo subframe bushings are like 180... my subframe bushings are shot, i get wheel hop like mad and the back end is just SOFT. (people who have seen my car know what im talking about)..also, im weighing out the differences between KYB AGX's with tein s-tech lowering springs as opposed to megan or stance coilovers...

help? id like to hear each side...

[D*star]

)..also, im weighing out the differences between KYB AGX's with tein s-tech lowering springs as opposed to megan or stance coilovers...

Im weighing out the differences between an orange and a rhinosaurus.

[deuceforty]

Im weighing out the differences between an orange and a rhinosaurus.

nice reply smartass, i could do that for anything, if you cant contribute some knowledge, please dont reply.. its a serious question

[Kataki_]

I don't have much experience with all the stuff but from what i can tell people all can correct me if i am wrong. but you should probably go with the coilovers. from everything i have read seems coil overs are more solid and better than a spring/strut combo mainly due to the fact from keep in mind this is a 16 year old who only knows a little because of lack of experience. that the coilovers are stiffer and prematched to what they do Stiffer springs means the car will not get as much fender rub where a spring/strut combo has chances of the springs being off balance with the strut or vice versa causing a oddly handling ride..don't know if that is right but that is my take on it and i don't realy know on the bushings i would just say replace them with nismo if you have the cash because i would think going with Nissan after market would work best, and probally fit the best. not saying this is the truth but just my best guess on it so don't qoute me

[E7-S14]

If your bushings are shot Spacers/collers wont help you. nor will pineapple spacers

Buy the Nismo Replacement bushings (which is harder rubber than stock)and pair them up with subframe Spacers/collers of your choice.

My subframe bushings are shot so what i did was buy Full polyurethane bushings for my car and Kazama collers/spacers and Nismo subframe bushings

The Lower end Stance and Megans make goos entry level coilovers if your low on cash..althought most peopel will say go stance

my advice..Buy the Nismo bushings and pair them with Subframe collers of your choice andskip the Spring and strut setup and buy coils.. Megans or Stance Basics are 800-950 which should be in your price range.

[Kataki_]

Well i was close enough nismo>other stuff Coilovers>spring/strut still can someone tell me what all i said that was wrong? sorry to jack thread i am trying to learn here

[E7-S14]

Well i was close enough nismo>other stuff Coilovers>spring/strut still can someone tell me what all i said that was wrong? sorry to jack thread i am trying to learn here

lol

Nismo is actually the only replacement Subframe busings piece that i know of..(the only diff between the nismo and OEM is nismo rubber is harderIve checked many places for OEM bushings but couldn't find any..iv also heard that you cant even buy OEM subframe bushings..so thank god for NISMO

your other choice if you don't go with the Nismo subframe bushings would be Full Aluminum subframe bushingsThe aluminums ones are great but In car noise and ride harshness would greatly increase(im still thinking about getting the aluminum ones..)

the main reason people go with Coilovers is for Full adjustability .. Spring over strut combos will always be softer than a coilover damper kit..

[nwmrkt]

If your bushings are shot Spacers/collers wont help you. nor will pineapple spacers

Buy the Nismo Replacement bushings (which is harder rubber than stock)and pair them up with subframe Spacers/collers of your choice.

My subframe bushings are shot so what i did was buy Full polyurethane bushings for my car and Kazama collers/spacers and Nismo subframe bushings

The Lower end Stance and Megans make goos entry level coilovers if your low on cash..althought most peopel will say go stance

my advice..Buy the Nismo bushings and pair them with Subframe collers of your choice andskip the Spring and strut setup and buy coils.. Megans or Stance Basics are 800-950 which should be in your price range.

might as well go full aluminum bushings if you gonna buy new ones plus spacers.

[E7-S14]

did i mention the in car Noise and ride harshness will be increased a good bit..add that to Megan tracks..+ i have already have Kazama subframe spacers.. id have to find a buyer for those buggers.

but yeah.. im still considering it..they are cheaper..and i have a high tolerance level.. but this is all part of it.. the choosing..

[D*star]

nice reply smartass, i could do that for anything, if you cant contribute some knowledge, please dont reply.. its a serious question

WHAT IM SAYING YOU ****ING IDIOT, is that your extremely vauge comparison is between two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT things, as well as one that every other goddam noob on this forum has posted about, the only thing similar between coilovers and spring/strut is they suspend the car, they are like night and day to eachother, the price is on opposite ends of the spectrum also. And theres a reason why coilovers cost 1 GRAND more. Ive owned both, so believe me, i could contribute alot, but it would be utterly pointless as its like comparing an Orange to a Rhinosaurus. God what an idiot.

[deuceforty]

WHAT IM SAYING YOU ****ING IDIOT, is that your extremely vauge comparison is between two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT things, as well as one that every other goddam noob on this forum has posted about, the only thing similar between coilovers and spring/strut is they suspend the car, they are like night and day to eachother, the price is on opposite ends of the spectrum also. And theres a reason why coilovers cost 1 GRAND more. Ive owned both, so believe me, i could contribute alot, but it would be utterly pointless as its like comparing an Orange to a Rhinosaurus. God what an idiot.

ok, so please someone else reason with me, everyone else in this thread understood the question and didnt act like a prick, dont think because of my low post count that im just some noob, its a completely valid question.

i asked WHY they are different, adjustability and stiffness were the overwhelming response, obviously the price is different, pointing that out doesn't make you intelligent, nor does repeating that they are very different without actually giving reasons (price excluded) as to WHY they are so different. I have read a few of your posts on here and generally you come off as a conceited prick who loves to pick out "noobs". too bad you didn't find one here

[yokota180sx]

nice reply smartass, i could do that for anything, if you cant contribute some knowledge, please dont reply.. its a serious question

you want a serious answer

search

[Jiggyfry]

Id go with coilovers over a spring/strut combo. I made the mistake of purchasing springs and have regretted it since that day. Depending on your financial situation itll determine which coils you get. Id get the Stance if I could. And for subframe bushings id get nismo.

[Bronze MFP]

WHAT IM SAYING YOU ****ING IDIOT, is that your extremely vauge comparison is between two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT things, as well as one that every other goddam noob on this forum has posted about, the only thing similar between coilovers and spring/strut is they suspend the car, they are like night and day to eachother, the price is on opposite ends of the spectrum also. And theres a reason why coilovers cost 1 GRAND more. Ive owned both, so believe me, i could contribute alot, but it would be utterly pointless as its like comparing an Orange to a Rhinosaurus. God what an idiot.

the guy is a noob, and may not know what he needs to do to make his car right. thats why he asked. you were a noob once too. so either help the guy or shut it, because cussing him isn't heling anyone. if you dont like the question, dont post to it!

[ddgsxr504]

To squash all the f*cking squabbling, look on ebay for poly subframe bushing replacements. They replace the entire bushing and are not just spacers or pineapples. I can't get to it here at work but I will give you the website to the company that makes them when I get home, they cost about $70 without shipping.

[deuceforty]

To squash all the f*cking squabbling, look on ebay for poly subframe bushing replacements. They replace the entire bushing and are not just spacers or pineapples. I can't get to it here at work but I will give you the website to the company that makes them when I get home, they cost about $70 without shipping.

that would be perfect... many thanks

and to address the search issue i did a TON of searching on the subject...

i dont believe that subframe bushings come in the ES hyperflex master set, but full poly bushing upgrade would probably make a huge difference

[zachary29]

I had Nismo subframe bushings installed on my old S14. Before i had them installed the old bushings were completely shot and my subframe would actually bang everytime id shift or go over even the smallest bump. It was really horrible. So i ordered the bushings and took them to a shop to put them in ( the old bushings had to be air chiseled out ) and the difference was amazing. I'd have to say they actual bushings would be the best way to go, especially if you need bushings anyway. Hope this could help you out.

[zachary29]

oh and... the only thing with the nismo subframe bushings is you need the set of four. so you'll be spending alot more then buying the others. but its worth it sometimes to spend that extra $$$

[deuceforty]

oh and... the only thing with the nismo subframe bushings is you need the set of four. so you'll be spending alot more then buying the others. but its worth it sometimes to spend that extra $$$

yeah.. the cost is absolutely ridiculous and from what ive read they are incredibly hard to replace...

[CleanSfourteen]

i dont believe that subframe bushings come in the ES hyperflex master set, but full poly bushing upgrade would probably make a huge difference

I looked into this as well, my bushings are due to be replaced also. Polyurethane just makes more sense to me, but unfortunately for the rear sub-frame all they offer is an insert to the existing bushing.

[91rs13]

also, im weighing out the differences between KYB AGX's with tein s-tech lowering springs as opposed to megan or stance coilovers...

help? id like to hear each side...

As some have pointed out --the opinion of many people is to take the plunge and go coilovers. ( I agree)

The Megan and Stance are good entry level coilovers --which will only be a few $$ more than a Good Spring/strut/shock combo.

The real reason for coilovers is to corner weight the car. ie: adusting the balance by changing the ride height to get a desired weight balance. It helps handling. --Of course if you corner weight the car and then add a passenger or other weight to the car---all the ratios are off.

That said --the reason most people buy coilovers is to change ride height ( which you can do) --or for the wide variety of spring rates out there. Most lowering springs ( which work fine) are low spring rates. If you need higher spring rates for performance ( stiffer springs) the Coilovers give much more adjustability.

If you car is street driven and not Tracked, AutoX'd or Drifted -The Lowering springs work fine.

If you want to take the car to a different level, then Coilovers will save you money in the long run. But if you want to be a "serious" competitor --the cost is much higher. ---But that can come later.

[deuceforty]

As some have pointed out --the opinion of many people is to take the plunge and go coilovers. ( I agree)

The Megan and Stance are good entry level coilovers --which will only be a few $$ more than a Good Spring/strut/shock combo.

The real reason for coilovers is to corner weight the car. ie: adusting the balance by changing the ride height to get a desired weight balance. It helps handling. --Of course if you corner weight the car and then add a passenger or other weight to the car---all the ratios are off.

That said --the reason most people buy coilovers is to change ride height ( which you can do) --or for the wide variety of spring rates out there. Most lowering springs ( which work fine) are low spring rates. If you need higher spring rates for performance ( stiffer springs) the Coilovers give much more adjustability.

If you car is street driven and not Tracked, AutoX'd or Drifted -The Lowering springs work fine.

If you want to take the car to a different level, then Coilovers will save you money in the long run. But if you want to be a "serious" competitor --the cost is much higher. ---But that can come later.

thank you, thats the very informative post that i was looking for... i just couldnt figure out why i would pay almost double the price for coilovers and i needed some justification

[zachary29]

yeah.. the cost is absolutely ridiculous and from what ive read they are incredibly hard to replace...

yeah they are expensive but i needed new bushings not subframe spacers. i didnt want to chance getting the spacers and have the problem still be there.

[E7-S14]

4 Nismo subframe bushings $160.. hows that expensive? i think its well worth it. esp when it comes to suspension parts..

or aluminum from SPL bout $80 bucks

WHAT IM SAYING YOU ****ING IDIOT, is that your extremely vauge comparison is between two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT things, as well as one that every other goddam noob on this forum has posted about, the only thing similar between coilovers and spring/strut is they suspend the car, they are like night and day to eachother, the price is on opposite ends of the spectrum also. And theres a reason why coilovers cost 1 GRAND more. Ive owned both, so believe me, i could contribute alot, but it would be utterly pointless as its like comparing an Orange to a Rhinosaurus. God what an idiot.

entirely different things you say?..they both consist of a shock/strut and a spring correct?.. not so diffrent now huh...

you want a serious answer

search

hate to break it to ya but this "fun sponge" is right.. this topic(coilovers has been discussed since the beginning of time.

To squash all the f*cking squabbling, look on ebay for poly subframe bushing replacements. They replace the entire bushing and are not just spacers or pineapples. I can't get to it here at work but I will give you the website to the company that makes them when I get home, they cost about $70 without shipping.

i swear ive looked everywhere for polyurethane subframe bushings.. but no luck..guess i gotta keep searching.

[Ca_Silvia]

I have 19 year old subfram bushings with collars and pineapples and it moves around like ****ing crazy. I strongly recommend if anyone needs to replace their subframe bushings to press or burn out their current ones and replace them with solid aluminum ones. The noise/vibration/harshness is not that bad. Ive riden in cars with them and people on the net exaggerate a little too much.

Hope this helps.

[zachary29]

i agree with Ca_Silvia. the expensive part is really only the cost of labor if you dont want to mess with it yourself. it is a pretty hard job

[deuceforty]

hate to break it to ya but this "fun sponge" is right.. this topic(coilovers has been discussed since the beginning of time.

the topic is NOT just coilovers.. its MAINLY about the collars/spacers vs. pineapples vs. new bushings, trust me i searched...

as for the coilover issue, i understand the ride height adjustability, its just that the AGX were adjustable, so that argues with the damper control on the coils... i couldnt figure out why i would pay twice the cost to adjust the ride height of my car... i learned why from the informative posts that shocks and springs will never get as stiff or ride as well as the coilovers

[E7-S14]

shops will charge a *hitload for labor on subframe bushings removal/replacement..

i agree with Ca_Silvia. the expensive part is really only the cost of labor if you dont want to mess with it yourself. it is a pretty hard job

I'd recommend (if you have the tools) do it your selfBurn out the oem rubber and bang in the new ones.. can be done in a day, in an afternoon if u know what your doing..

theirs a thread in the 240sx technical(do it yourself) part of this website

[deuceforty]

shops will charge a *hitload for labor on subframe bushings removal/replacement..

I'd recommend (if you have the tools) do it your selfBurn out the oem rubber and bang in the new ones.. can be done in a day, in an afternoon if u know what your doing..

theirs a thread in the 240sx technical(do it yourself) part of this website

so when you burn it out, does it simply melt the old one out or how does that work out?

[Ca_Silvia]

You need a good torch, propane or a cutting torch is the best. Burn out the rubber, then use a hack saw (turn the blade around) and cut out the metal insert with out damaging the housing.

Oh ya and make sure to freeze the solid bushing in the freezer over night.

Installation is easy.