STOP THE TRASH TALKIN!

[USMCgetsome]

Ok i'm going to be as friendly as possible here. When everyone started their RB projects we all consulted here for opinions and much needed guidance. This is to the veterans.

Gentlemen... No matter how noob the q's are do not be so judgemental towards these people. This is a forum for help not trash talking for making fun of people.

Noobs... When a question arises provide as much detail as possible. Then patiently await for an answer.

This forum is slowly losing it's respect for one another by silly comments. If you do not have something nice or generous to say then ban yourself. Honestly this is getting as bad as honda-tech forums. We are not ricers here. Everyone here is either beginning to become a TUNER or has established that credit already.

Kamin sorry man i'm just tired of these really stupid remarks that have no business on the forums here. It's not a place to chat. It's all about business.

[Joe]

dont apoligize, i see it happening too

i think its time for a cleansing and new rule set. this has been a very interesting forum to be apart of basically since the beginning. i joined NICO for the RB forum and rarely venture out of it. i was (and am still) honored that they asked me to be moderator and help LEAD this forum. its a hard forum to moderate because its so different. this isnt the SR forum, it sure as hell isnt the KAT forum...we are a totally different community than any other one here.

so, members, what do you think?

how can we REDUCE the number of newbie questions

and when there is one posted, how should it be handled?

i am not a dictator as much as some of you like to think i am, i am open to suggestions

[themadscientist]

well said, I can't speak for KA or SR, I don't go there, they smell like cheese, CA is warm and fuzzy if not a bit child-mollester cozy. The RB forum is a bit cold and catty recently. Fun and games I have no trouble with, I would not want the forum sterile but there are some egos here that could do well to remember what it was like when they started out and not pummel newbs so lockstep. If you have heard the question a 100 times and don't want to answer it then don't. Also please don't feel the need to inject venom into the thread. A freindly "welcome, check out the search function for answers" or a link to an existing thread would be much more constuctive than a dogmatic rant about search newb!. People can go to any number of other forums for insults judgement and elitist attitude, let's do it different here, let's do it right.

[Kansei240sx]

LOL @ comments towards the ka, sr, and ca forums. I will agree that we have a way different forum than the rest, maybe its because out of all four of those engines we put up with the most **** from our swaps then the rest of those guys due to the fact that we cram these motors into our cars and spend alot of money on them.

I've stopped replying to noob question threads, its not fun anymore, and im tired of typing the same thing over and over.

If at all, i think if someone posts something that could easily be found the moderator should delete the thread AFTER telling that person to search the stickies, there are so many stupid *** threads I'm fed up with cluttering up this resource of information I and many other people have come to.

For some odd reason i haven't joined any other RB forum other than this one, and all my other advice is local. I've never joined any Australian forums which i should probably do, but, this place has the stateside people which are more useful due to us all being in the same country to get parts and what not.

JOKINGLY, I think the RB forum thread link should re-direct to a READ THE STICKIES BEFORE YOU POST AND/OR SEARCH jpeg, and then redirect back to the main forum page.

[Eikon]

To fix the problem, we first need to understand the problem.

Kansei touched on what it is that causes the attitude in the RB forum...

maybe its because out of all four of those engines we put up with the most **** from our swaps then the rest of those guys due to the fact that we cram these motors into our cars and spend alot of money on them.

The RB is the most difficult, expensive and technical of the COMMON 240sx swaps. *sure you argue that a Ferrari V12 would trump the RB, but I'm talking about popular swaps here*

When you've complete a RB swap, you've got something to be proud of.. When you get it running and reliable.. you've really got something to be proud of.

This pride fosters... well... Pride. Pride creates arrogance!Pretty soon it becomes cool to slam the newbie.

This is what we suffer from in the RB forum.

Now that we understand why it happens... how do we fix it???

If you want to see change, you need to be change!!Those of us who are willing ~ need to jump in and politely help or redirect the newbies BEFORE the flames occur. If flames do occur, they need to be moderated..

If we want flaming to stop, we need to make it cool to help out the new people rather than finding the humor in making fun of them.

[rustbucket]

This forum was clean and to the point until recently (past few months), it seems all the recent magazine coverage of the RB motors has brought more interest to this area of NICO.

I managed to compelte the entire install and start my s13 rb25sII by just searching the forum. The problem is no one is SEACHING! the forum is being overflowed by redundant questions, most are rediculous i.e. getting an N1 MOTOR FROM NISSAN or a WHICH MOTOR post.

I think the only thing that can be done, is what kamin usaually does, he locks it and it goes away because its no longer active.

As for bashing, I dont know, maybe some people should be NAZIs. It may act as a population control for the RB community.

[Bluefire]

SOLUTION: MORE STICKIES!!!

I believe there have been a lot of great threads in that past that should have been stickied. Such as ones on A/C. or how about saving all the troubleshooting threads with problem and answer. Yes its a bit of work, but will definitely help from having the same questions ask.

Searching is actually a bit difficult if you have specific question. I know many times when searching for an existing thread it has taken me 4-5 tries to remember some of the key words in that thread to have it come up.

-Bluefire

[Bluefire]

actually I would like to make an exceptions to posters seeking full write ups on wiring or the swap in general. I think we should not only be allowed, but encouraged to flame and bash these monkeys.

Seriously its like they are asking to see our homework... What the **** are they gonna do when the next homework assignment comes up or when the have a test. Yep, you guessed it they are gonna come back and ask for the same thing because they didn't learn anything the first time.

-Bluefire

[Joe]

SOLUTION: MORE STICKIES!!!

if I individually stickied every thread that is important, we would have 2 pages of nothing but stickied topics.

we have to consolidate them and it becomes hard to find because there is so much info. not only that but studies have shown most members dont even glance at sticky threads when they enter a forum.

[ATpossible]

i completely argree with kuillin_drifter. in fact i tried relaying this before but failed. im just glad he was able to do it better than i.

i completely disagree with bashing or flaming! jus dont reply to post. how hard is that? or if u r nice enough to help w/o gettting involved then jus send the link and let them read the info.

Searching is actually a bit difficult if you have specific question. I know many times when searching for an existing thread it has taken me 4-5 tries to remember some of the key words in that thread to have it come up.-Bluefire

I argee with this 2. the more specific a question gets the harder it is to find the right answer, even if its a particular question is within a more common question but wasn't answered to the extent of the new question.

stickies r cool but i feel kamin is right on it.

newbs (myself included) need to try harder and give good effort and search not only in but out of this site as well. then ask the question with the best clearity as possible

vets need to stay more calm and jus not answer if they dont wanna help. everyone started somewhere and those people need to stop acting like they know all. u dont! and there is always someone better.

[USMCgetsome]

baby jesus. Man i thought i was gonna be alone on this one. Hey fellas for any WIRING OR GENERAL MAINTENANCE inquiries i'd like to provide my services to the rb newbs.

i literally walked in this forum with very little knowledge of how to install/general maintenance. But i put my time and effort and it's paid off. So if it comes down to wiring i'm available. Also, generic questions. I really miss jon powell. That man was and is the rb god.

[AZhitman]

I'll throw in my 2 cents...

You guys are doing a great job.

I don't think anyone who has left is any more knowledgeable than anyone we have access to here... And you guys are making MUCH more of a difference, simply due to traffic.

Familiarity breeds contempt. It can get frustrating from time to time.

Here's something that may help:

http://www.240sxTech.com

You guys have something that warrants a sticky, make an article out of it.

We're also in the process of developing RB20DET.NETRB25DET.NETRB26DETT.COM

...so anyone with some HTML skill and a desire to help out, raise yo' hand.

[jdmser]

I think you hit the nail on the head with this post. Why be part of a community if your just gonna go around pisses in other peoples' pots. This was the easiest swap I've ever done due to this forum. Let's make it that easy for the newbs that are just coming in. Don't give them the anwsers, show them how to get the answers. Instead of saying "search", tell them "do a search for ?????". If the fact that other people doing this swap makes you feel like it's less special then do something inovative with it. I'll anwser any question I can for anyone. The only stupid question is the one that never got asked.

[BoostFab]

what we need to do is just delete the offensive post. this way we prevent two things: 1) waste of bandwidth & space and 2) this prevents rebuttal arguments/flame war.

[HxC_Nismo]

now i was a noob once but it was on racebred.com and that is where i got all the info i needed for my swap and also being lucky enough to have a local friend with a rb swaped 240 too when it comes to the rb26 swap i have the parts list for the swap and what to check for and what is needed. I really dont like posting on this forum as much because everyone thinks im some newb too but if you would like i could post my progress pics from oil pan mod to now and ive been working on my rb swap since last aug. 06'. I'll try to help the newbs that are wanting to do the swap too and im just trying to pay it forward, wich i believe all of us should do. cause if it wasnt for our dumb newb questions when we first started a chunk of us would of never finished an rb swap on our own, those poeple helped us and now its our turn now to help the new group of newbs with there questions on the rb swap. yea alot of us want to be unique with our insane rb swap but if we get the rb swap as popular as the sr we will start to see the prices on rb parts drop and maybe even see a rb swap packages start to arise like they have for the sr and that will stop alot of newb question like "what is needed for an rb swap into a 240sx" and we would also start to see alot more of parts that are custom built parts specifically for the rb swap into 240sx, 300z, and 280z. but if we keep on bashing newbs we pretty much scare them into wasting there money into a sr, ka-t, ca. I know i blabbed alot in this but i hope you get what im trying to say.

[ISUJinX]

I'd be happy to help consolidate threads/writeups. I've got my own version of the S13 writeup with new pics and some adjustments for the non-DE swap crowd. Been busy lately, but I'll start working stuff together when I get some time.

I love flaming n00bs. BUT I also like helping - which is why I put my IM info in my sig. If someone needs help, and wants to take the time to IM me, I'll help them. If they bother me with stupid questions and don't try to help themselves, I block them - simple as that. So.. I will continue flaming people who don't help themselves at least a little bit. I can understand wiring is confusing esp to a 16yr old kid trying to do this with no prior car knowledge. We all started somewhere and put in our own wrench time. They just decided to start witha much harder thing to play with rather than building a go-kart out of a snowmobile engine and spare steel.

[rb20det_pwr]

STICKY!

Please DO NOT! let nico become like zilvia.

I love nico, I dislike zilvia for the reason "we are becoming" above.

[RB_Dreamin]

now i was a noob once

This is the problem right here. You have people who think that they know what they are talking about, but in actuality, have no clue. HxC_Nismo is a prime example of the situation going on here. I tried to post this situation before, but I guess Kamin thought I did it in an offensive way.

When did it become ok for dreamers to **** on dreamers?

Just look at the other thread about the tomei RB28 kit. Evo_bill was in here posting some crazy *** questions about 2 months ago and now all of the sudden he feels that he can **** on someone else who is dreaming.

I think the mods should just step up and delete the post that have already been answered. Why let it push "real" topics to the 2nd or 3rd page?

I only picked HxC_Nismo and Evo_bill because they were the first two that came to mind.

[rustbucket]

I think Tomei RB28 kit post is a good example of some of the things that are wrong. I just wanted the answer to a question and instead I get a dumb a$$ telling me that I shouldnt buy something because I dont know anything about it.

I wanted to know why there was a $800 price difference between the 87mm kit and the 87mm kit with cooling channels.

So I asked what cooling channels were.

I didnt say anything about buying it.

[RB_Dreamin]

That is exactly what I am talking about. I know that many of you guys feel the same way I do but just won't say it cause Kamin might ***** at you or whatever.

But if you really think about it, I would say that only 30% of the people on this forum have running RB's. If you don't have a running RB, you should not be thinking you are the **** just because you have an RB motor in your garage or at the shop you are paying to do the swap.

That doesn't mean that people who have running RB's can just go around thinking that they are god. Face it, half of those people paid someone to do their swap.

There is a handfull of people on this forum who actually know what they are talking about and you can see that they are posting less and less because of the bull****. If you want to keep the knowledgeable people here, something has to change.

[nissanman04]

That is exactly what I am talking about. I know that many of you guys feel the same way I do but just won't say it cause Kamin might ***** at you or whatever.

But if you really think about it, I would say that only 30% of the people on this forum have running RB's. If you don't have a running RB, you should not be thinking you are the **** just because you have an RB motor in your garage or at the shop you are paying to do the swap.

That doesn't mean that people who have running RB's can just go around thinking that they are god. Face it, half of those people paid someone to do their swap.

There is a handfull of people on this forum who actually know what they are talking about and you can see that they are posting less and less because of the bull****. If you want to keep the knowledgeable people here, something has to change.

hell, i did my own swap and i still don't feel that i know a whole lot, lol.

[Eikon]

Translation of above:

Check your attitude at the door. No need for arrogance and pride in the RB forum. If you know the answer to a question.. answer it. If you think it's right but are not 100% sure.. state it as an opinion or idea to help out. Just don't try to rag on other people because you think you are cool!

A follow-up point. To keep the experts around, perhaps a few more thank-you's would be helpful. Everyone likes to help out, and everyone likes to be thanked for their time, effort, and knowledge. What I find missing often is the lack of a hearty Thank You!!!

I don't think the status of your RB engine (running or not) has much to do with your helpfulness on this forum. A lot of the smartest guys are mid-project and don't have the RB on the road currently. It's usually the experts that are smart enough to work on the motor that actually do it... thus taking the engine out of service for a while. How long did Carl have his engine off the road while rebuilding it??? Anybody here question Carl's knowledge? So let's not make assumptions on someones knowledge based on the status of their engine running or not.

[RB_Dreamin]

I don't think the status of your RB engine (running or not) has much to do with your helpfulness on this forum. A lot of the smartest guys are mid-project and don't have the RB on the road currently. It's usually the experts that are smart enough to work on the motor that actually do it... thus taking the engine out of service for a while. How long did Carl have his engine off the road while rebuilding it??? Anybody here question Carl's knowledge? So let's not make assumptions on someones knowledge based on the status of their engine running or not.

That wasn't what I was trying to say. You don't need to have a running RB to know what you are talking about. However, from what I have seen, the people who make a lot of the pointless comments are the ones without running RB's. What I see them do is basically take in knowledge that someone else passed along and pass it on to someone else as if they came up with the concept.

I agree that you don't need a running RB to know anything about RB's. And the one's that have running RB's may have no clue as well.

[Joe]

That is exactly what I am talking about. I know that many of you guys feel the same way I do but just won't say it cause Kamin might ***** at you or whatever.

if you have a problem with me, email me.

do not think me doing my job is "*itching" at people because i have to keep this forum clean. If you have some personal vendetta against me because of your first threads, and subsequent posts where I have told you to basically stop being a jackass, take it up with me privately.

[RB_Dreamin]

I think you took that the wrong way.

What I meant was that some people are scared to post what they actually think/feel because they fear that you will say something/warn them/ban them or whatever.

[Joe]

good

i want to instill fear into new posters because that means they will search before they post.

[HxC_Nismo]

rb_dreamin are you trying to say i dont know much on rbs cause for your info i do all my own swaps and this is not my first. my rb26 is sitting on the engine stand because on i just got finished preping the motor and i actually just got finished yesterday doing my own damm wiring and now this weekend im finishing my auto manual swap (hanging pedal, trim at pedal, and clutch line) and then im intsalling the motor by next weekend and then fabricate my aluminum IC piping and then tig weld it to make it one piece for the hot and cold side so i have only four couplers instead of multiple ones. but dont start calling me a shop swap ( well i do have my own shop but i dont pay anyone to do my swaps or do my wiring) you dont know me at all, so dont try to start anything with me,and i never said i was the **** nor think i am cause i dont know everything and that is a reason why i go to forums and ask to see if anyone does know cause thats what nico is here for the most part. and im just trying to help out anyone the best that i can with what ive done.

[NOT_A_KA]

The Kamin keeps me from posting all my questions. I search for a long while before making a new thread. I think most forum search engines suck. It should use wild cards so I can find all GT35R, GT35, GT3540 topics by typing GT3*.

Also a lot of the thread titles have little description of what the thread is actually about. Maybe the almighty Kamin could edit these.

Finally I think there should be a separate section for people sharing pictures and project progress of their RB swap.

Finally, Finally, if you don't know the answer to a thread question don't reply to it.

[BoostFab]

Finally I think there should be a separate section for people sharing pictures and project progress of their RB swap.

NICO has a gallery, post your project pictures there http://nissaninfiniticlub.net/photopost

AZhitman: would you add a button linking to the gallery on the top global horizontal navigation. the gallery link is hidden under the homepage drop-down pick list.

[Eikon]

actually photopost is no longer an active feature.

Check out Iserve. For a very nominal fee you can get an account that works incredibly well with NICO.. it's all integrated!