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Phax
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Jays90240SX wrote:I already have the A/F ratio gauge, most people say it's not needed when you have the EGT, but it's good to be able to cross reference with the EGT.


I'm not sure who you've been talking to, but the Air Fuel Ratio and the Exhaust Gas Temperature are measuring two if not totally, at least near totally different things. I seriously hope that most people aren't dumb enough to try to tune a turbo with an EGT.


Cyberkreig
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Could someone explain how you can get the AF ratio from the EGT? I can assume the EGT will go up as you lean out.. what temp would be around the 12:1 ratio?

Phax
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Cyberkreig wrote:Could someone explain how you can get the AF ratio from the EGT? I can assume the EGT will go up as you lean out.. what temp would be around the 12:1 ratio?


Cyberkrieg, it's really hard to do reverse calculation from EGT to A/F. There are so many things that go into determining the temperature of your exhaust gases. Injector sizing and turbo sizing are the two that come to mind, with cam specs and compression ratio playing a roll as well.

Cyberkreig
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I have heard people mention it before, but I could never get it strait as to how. Now i see that is car specific and very difficult. Thank you.

SJN
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Phax wrote:I'm not sure who you've been talking to, but the Air Fuel Ratio and the Exhaust Gas Temperature are measuring two if not totally, at least near totally different things. I seriously hope that most people aren't dumb enough to try to tune a turbo with an EGT.


Well you can use and tune the car with the EGT at the higher/maximum revs/point. And thats another question I have. Whats best. To change the fuel amount to get what EGT temp you want as max, or to look at the A/F and set it at the "right" level ?

I would say EGT, since you dare to have a leaner mixture and with A/F you don't know what the timing does to the EGT temp.

About the oil meter:

"you can have oil lines blow and that kinda stuff, so you want to be able to see the oil pressure drop so you can shut off the car before you do more damage."

Yes. But if something drastic like that happend the standard oil lamp will go on. Maybe to late yes. But it also hard to spoot on any meter. A warning meter whould be better.

Jays90240SX
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Ummm, you tune your car on teh Dyno with a WIDEBAND O2, once it's tuned, you know where your EGT's should be, if for some reason you are hammering on it, and it changes, you know there is a problem. So it's used for monitoring, not for tunning.

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Sure you use Wideband O2 on the dyno. But you should be able to stop watching the O2 on top revs and check the EGT instead. Changes are that you get a lower A/F and gain some hp since you might set the A/F to rich if you check the O2.

IE. I think that you can use the Egt for tuning. But sure I can be wrong. ;)

Jays90240SX
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SJN wrote:Sure you use Wideband O2 on the dyno. But you should be able to stop watching the O2 on top revs and check the EGT instead. Changes are that you get a lower A/F and gain some hp since you might set the A/F to rich if you check the O2.

IE. I think that you can use the Egt for tuning. But sure I can be wrong. ;)


YEah, sorry, I didn't even notice your post up there, I was referring to the previous post! :)

I Agree with you, I also think that is how some people tune the car.

I think it's just personal preference as for the gauges, some people will rely on different things to monitor.

matt240det
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a/f guages are pretty useless unless you are way off, but if you do get one check out this one... http://www.roadraceengineering.com/eclgages.htmand scroll down to the jumptronix gauge, imo one of the best a/f gauges you can get

SigmaNIN
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gauges are made for a reson...

like a/f, egt, oil pressure

im sure the ppl that invented them back in the day didnt do it for ricers of the future


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