Staggered setup not possible on Q45

[Louis Cyphier]

incase anyones looking 19x9 and 19x10.5 with or without tires. SSR Vienna Dish

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[one ton garage]

wheels on the white "sclass" F50 are indeed Super Star's Behavior wheels...sizes were 20x9.5/11 if I remember correctly... don't have the mag on me at the moment. That particular car has very subtle fender flares also, which isn't noticable in the rears, but you can see the front fenders are modified, esp with the vents. anyway, the questions that determine what wheel fitments to get for the F50 would be:1) are you willing to run stretched tires? (some people don't like the look)2) are you willing to roll the fenders?3) how low are you planning to get the car?

[2005Q45inCali]

the man with all the answers

Always look forward to ur responses

But yes to answer ur question... I dont mind stretched tires because I want that intimidating rear aggressive look with at least 20x11 in the back. I would most likely to a 305/30 or 305/25 in the back. I seen a CLS with 305 tires and it looked fitted so I know the Q should be able to handle it. I dont really want the car to be super low like that white Q. I just want a nice clean look with maybe a 1/2 inch to inch drop

[Falkdesigns]

Bbbb but, I Id'd the wheels last week!! sniff sniff.

[2005Q45inCali]

now this is what im talking about.... anyone know what rims these are??

[2005Q45inCali]

got lips??

[hannibal]

^ Good god, those wheels look great under those fenders. Forgive my noobness, what kinda car is that?

I think the wheels are Work Euroline DH's.



I am once again insprired to find a Y33 and build a VIP style car (nothing as extreme as some cars in this thread).

[2005Q45inCali]

I dont know what car it is but it looks like an EL Darodo or Dorodo from the back. I think it is an older Nissan Cima possibly

[Falkdesigns]

That car is a Toyota Crown Majesta and I'd say you're right-on about the wheels.

[2005Q45inCali]

There's FALK showing off again with his impressive car knowledge

[one ton garage]

the man with all the answers

Always look forward to ur responses

But yes to answer ur question... I dont mind stretched tires because I want that intimidating rear aggressive look with at least 20x11 in the back. I would most likely to a 305/30 or 305/25 in the back. I seen a CLS with 305 tires and it looked fitted so I know the Q should be able to handle it. I dont really want the car to be super low like that white Q. I just want a nice clean look with maybe a 1/2 inch to inch drop

You should be able to fit an 11" wheel in the rear of the F50, but expect to roll the fender lips, esp if you want to run any size tire over a 245. You actually don't need to go as big as 305 if you're after the steamroller look (and it's good that you can admit that your main concern is to get something that looks good for a street car, without any false pretensions about worrying so much about how the car has to perform like a race car or be driven in a capacity that you probably won't ever exceed more than a couple times a year). When you stretch a tire, you get an appearance of a much wider setup than you really have... I once had a 235 on a 10" wheel, and a corvette/camaro friend of mine swore that he thought I was running at least 295s, and he got a little jealous till I told him that they were *just* 235s. Of course the wheel fitment (offset) and stance also contributes to the overall "effect." With that said, I'd have to say that you should consider lowering the car at least 2" all around. Stock height is high enough that even a 2"/50mm drop can be considered modest, and would be totally streetable. My personal recommendation on widths: 9.5" with no more than a 235 in front, and 10.5" or 11" with no more than a 275 in back (I'd personally run a 9.5" with 235 and 10.5" with 255). Offsets... I can't say off the top of my head, but I believe these cars would want something in the low 20s range... anything less will require more fender processing than just a simple fender roll.

Wheels on the Crown are from Alstadt I belive... somewhat similar in style to the Euroline DH, but different little details

[2005Q45inCali]

they could be these by ALTSTADT. Just found them on the Memoryfab.com website


Modified by 2005Q45inCali at 3:42 PM 4/19/2006

[Falkdesigns]

Those and the Work's have 4 bolts in-between spokes, but the ones the Crown is wearing have 5, and the center cover is less flat than the Work or Alstadt. In any case, all those wheels look exactly the same, part of why I don't really care for them, they're too generic looking. Amistad makes some, Godfather does, too many wheels that look the same.

Actually, now that I said that, the wheels on the white Crown are indeed Amistad!! Amistad D is the model, available in 18 or 19", 5 bolts between spokes and a center cap that's not flat.

[2005Q45inCali]

hEY FALK, you defintely are helping me make better decesions with your input and I appreciate it.

What do you think about the Amistad S (sereno) wheel

http://www.canautoclub.com/index2.htm

[Falkdesigns]

The S is a nice wheel, comes 18, 19 and 20 too. I think they'd look awesome on an F50, 19x10 and 19x11 with 235 or 245 front and 265 or 275 rear would look stunning. Might check out the Amistad O too, also a very nice wheel. The R was always my favorite from them though, but a pita to clean with all those spokes, but a set of 19" R's in Deep Blue for my ride (come on stupid lottery!! lol)......

[2005Q45inCali]

Ok, Memoryfab.com just got back to me. I might go with the Work Euroline DH wheels. I am going to go with a 20x9.5 in front and 20x10.5 in the rear. She said in the front the offset will be +25 and in the rear +18. She says they are not responsible if they do not fit. So to the veterans here do you know if they will fit or should i go with different offsets. I want to have a 5-6 in lip in the back and 4-5 inch lip in the front.

Thanks again OneTon, Falkdesigns, etc

Bruce

Here was the original email from memoryfab.com

Hi Bruce, thank you for the inquiry. Work Euroline DH in 20 inch does not come in 9J and 11J width. This specification may make your tire come out from or touch the fender- we do have pricing for 20x8.5J +35 in front and 20x9.5J +40 in rear in Cut-Clear color. The price is $2480.00 plus tax ($217.00) and local shipping of $90.00. Lead time is a total of 8-10 weeks for manufacturing and ocean shipping.

[2005Q45inCali]

Anyone know what offsets I should go with?????
Modified by 2005Q45inCali at 9:07 AM 4/22/2006

[2005Q45inCali]

ANYONE??????

[TgduMg]

Anyone know what offsets I should go with?????

I recommend that you check with Axis-Wheels or Street-Concepts on which offsets they used on their project Q45's.

They can also let you know about any modifications needed to the fender wells.

The Street Concepts Q45 has 10" wide rear wheels, The Axis Q rears are 11 inchers.

Danisiti 1

[elwesso]

the best thing for you to do is find wheels you like and I/we can tell you if they'll fit...

REMEMBER OFFSET IS RELATIVE TO THE WIDTH OF THE WHEEL! OFFSET IS NOT CONSTANT FOR DIFFERENT WIDTHS!

[2005Q45inCali]

The wheels i might possibly be getting are the Work Euroline DH's20x9.5 front and 20x10.5 rear.

[elwesso]

The wheels i might possibly be getting are the Work Euroline DH's20x9.5 front and 20x10.5 rear.

According to works website you can have them custom designed for any car...

if your looking for a particular set, i'll need the offsets.

[2005Q45inCali]

+25 front+18 rear

[elwesso]

Wont work.. Will stick WAYY out.

[elwesso]

Just taking a shot in the dark, to run those widths you're going to have to run about these offsets...

45mm front50mm rear

Thats assuming you want the wheels to stick out 28mm more than stock... You could probably go out maybe a little more, but that figure would allow you to run a nice fat tire for good load rating.

[2005Q45inCali]

ok, that's per Memory fab that they provided me with those offsets. So what do they need to be to get them to fit correctlY?

[elwesso]

See post above, i edited.

[2005Q45inCali]

So the lower the offset the further the wheels stick out ?? I never understood the offset thing.

[elwesso]

Offset is defined as the distance from the centerline of the wheel the hub is...

You can now understand how this matters about width!

Here is a post I made in another thread...

You are confusing offset with the disc thickness!!

Offset is defined how far the hub of the wheel (or the disc to maintain similar nomenclature) is from the center line of the wheel.. Consider the following picture



The far right hand side of the wheel is the face of the wheel, or what you see when its bolted to the car.. The offset is the distance that the wheel's hub is from the centerline of the wheel (the centerline is an imaginary line drawn at the middle of the wheel's width)...

http://www.off-road.com/chevy/tech/wheel/

"Positive offset is how most factory wheels are designed. The wheel center is moves the wheel closer to the vehicle, therefore moving the tire closer to the vehicle, helping to tuck it under the fenderwell. This means the wheel rotates on its axis.

"Negative offset is how most aftermarket wheels are designed. They move the center of the wheel away from the vehicle. Therefore, moving the tires away from the vehicle, and increasing the turning radius. Rather that spinning on its axis, it swings on its axis. There are several inherent flaws with this, while they may be unavoidable. Increasing the offset puts more leverage on the lugs, which means you can break them easier, but it also increases the stance of your vehicle to help keep it more stable."

So if the hub of the wheel is EXACLTY at the wheels centerline, it will have a 0 offset... Consider the following illustrations..



I tried to explain it in writing, but then i found those pictures... Guys usually learn better by pictures anyway...

I edited out some of the stuff that doesnt apply here.

[one ton garage]

The lower the offset, the more the wheel sticks out. And a wheel's fitment is a function of both width and offset... a 9", +35mm wheel will extend approx. 12mm further out than an 8", +35mm wheel.

If you can get them to put *in writing* that they can get the Euroline DHs in those sizes, and in clear cut finish (it looks like a machined face with clearcoat) for that price, without any tacked on fees later, and in a reasonable amount of time (3 months tops vs. 6-9 months), then I'd say go for it. I personally have never trusted that place cuz my friend went there one time and noticed that it was just some young guy operating out of his parents' chinese wares warehouse... so if you can get them to guarantee in writing that they can actually get you THE wheels you want for THAT price, then go for it! Since things will be in writing, you'll have grounds for legal retribution if they don't come through later on.

Just an FYI, MSRP on 20x9.5/20x10.5 Euroline DH wheels IN japan is $3400USD, not including taxes. That's about what you'd pay if you lived IN Japan... so add shipping and customs and other various fees on top of that and you'll see how things can get $$ real fast. Of course, not everyone pays MSRP, even the avg joe consumer in Japan, but to go from a manufacturer-listed MSRP of 3400 to 2500 shipped to the US is intriguing... so you can see why I'd suggest forcing them to put things in writing. Cuz to be honest... 2500 for those wheels is actually almost less than I could get them for at cost from Work myself