SRT Forum Strikes again

[PantherRacer]

Z > SRT-4 anyday....specially turboZ

The sentra and SRT-4 did get compared....the Spec V won....well it came 2nd out of 7....let's see

1. toyota celica2. nissan sentra SE-R Spec V3. Ford SVT focus huh?4. Doge SRT-45. Mazdaspeed Protege6. civic7.Lancer Ralliart

[BadMojo]

Z > SRT-4 anyday....specially turboZ

The sentra and SRT-4 did get compared....the Spec V won....well it came 2nd out of 7....let's see

Where on earth did that come from? I can't see the Celica (I'm assuming GT-S) outperforming any of the cars on the list other than the Lancer Ralliart.

From everything I've read (never actually driven one) the Focus SVT is actually a pretty nice car as far as handling goes. It's also got lots of cool parts from the Focus RS that you can bolt on.

I'm curious what the source and criteria of that comparison are?

[Projex240]

ok---I never said that it didnt have decent handling for a FWD car--and compared to other front wheel drive cars, itmay do ok. But thats not the point is it?We are comparing a FWDbudget breather to a rwd performance minded sports car.So your point is moot. I have a VERY good freind with a srt-4 and his is fast--but only in a straight line. Int he curves, the understeer(as all FWD cars do), and have massive body roll. So once again--let me restate my point.

The srt-4 is a great straight line driver, and for the MONEY IT CAN BE HAD FOR FAR LESS THAN THE Z.But for a true enthusaist, straight lines arent where its at. And only a true enthusiast would want to have the handling over the striaght line performance. The Z car will make anyone smile. The neon is not a true sports car, and to some, many actually,, the Z will be much more sought after i the years to come.Oh and BTW--when my buddies car was stock, it got raped by a 350z. I saw it.There are many differences in teh cars--but in no way did i say it didnt handle well for FWD car--im sure it does--but even a good handling FWD car isnt even close to an EXCELLENT handling RWD car.This arguement is dumb, people buy what they want.Enthusiasts buy sports cars.It will always be that way.Like I said, if straight line performance(the srt's strong point) is what your after--niether 350 nor a srt-4 are the right choices.get a rustang--or a gsx.

[StrangeLove]

projex just finished the arguement for all of us, discussion over

[BadMojo]

This arguement is dumb, people buy what they want.Enthusiasts buy sports cars.It will always be that way.Like I said, if straight line performance(the srt's strong point) is what your after--niether 350 nor a srt-4 are the right choices.get a rustang--or a gsx.

I don't consider this an arguement, just friendly discussion. We're all part of the NICO family.

I completely agree that the 350Z and the SRT-4 are completely different vehicles, and will most likely never attract the same type of consumer.

For instance, when you go to the Nissan site and hit the "compare" button the vehicles that come up against the Z are the Audi TT, the BMW Z4, the Honda S2000 and the Porsche Boxter. When you go the site and compare the Spec-V to competitors, you get the Acura RSX, the Civic Si, etc. Two completely different segments of the market.

I still believe that for ~$20,000 you absolutely can't beat the SRT-4. If you're shopping for a sport compact car in that range, the SRT-4 is kicking major ***.

My pet peeve is that the SRT-4 gets bashed constantly, but you don't hear anyone talking about the RSX Type-S, the Spec-V, etc. in the same way. I'm not directing this at anyone here @ Nico, but the SRT-4 does not get the respect it deserves, IMO.

Anyway, I'm not sure how we started comparing a $26,000 car with a $21,000 car, and If I could swing buying a Z, I'd do it in a second.

*If* I could find a base 350Z for well under MSRP, I'd go for it. Of course, I'd have to add in a Nismo LSD at some point (which, unfortunately is R Tune and not S Tune).

[StrangeLove]

Quote »Anyway, I'm not sure how we started comparing a $26,000 car with a $21,000 car, and If I could swing buying a Z, I'd do it in a second.[/quote]

Its only 5,000... and the difference is night and day!

SRT-4 = Ugly turbocharged FWD econobox, right?

for only 5 grand more you get

350z = A great looking RWD sports car with a history

This may just be me, but I'd rather save up for a few more months to get something that is far superior...

[BadMojo]

Its only a 5,000... and the difference is night and day!This may just be me, but I'd rather save up for a few more months to get something that is far superior...

$5K may not sound like a lot, but it can add up when you factor in extra costs you may not consider, such as insurance. Also, keep in mind that there's interest being charged on that extra $5K (no, I won't be buying a $26,000 car with cash any time soon).

If it were that easy, nobody would own WRX's and everyone would get STI's. Depending on options, I believe the MSRP on the WRX is about $26,000...the STI is only $31,000.

Anyway, If someone told me I could have an SRT-4 or a 350Z for the same price...I'd be all over the Z, no question.

The problem is finding an Enthusiast model 350Z at a rock-bottom price OR buying a base model and then having a Nismo LSD installed and praying that the dealer doesn't try to void your powertrain warranty if something happens to break.

[PantherRacer]

Quote »I would rather drive a Z31 Turbo than a SRT-4.[/quote] :Werd

Quote » 240's look way better than any Neons. any car is fast with a turbo [/quote] Double :Werd

[MoToR mOnKeY]

WoW ....... 30 yrs (give or take a few) that the Z has been racing, with proven performance and handling . The Z gets overlooked by an SRT-4 owner. it gets overlooked for its near perfect 51/49 weight distribution. Its reinforced chassis thats super ridged btw. It's 280 rated Hp N/A motor. 6 speed transmission. a car thats so nice that nissan retired the skylines in JGTC to run the Z's. i also forgot to mention a few Z's in D1. For all of us that drives a 240 or silvia dont forget that the Z is THE ROOT of nissans racing heritage. SRT's rely on thier turbo. and going straight only. Dodge just wanted to put their foot in the sport compact world now GM wants a Piece too. and they both can afford to put sh*tty engines and turbos together. to give u a low price But powerful piece of Sh*t. LET THERE BE WAR !!!!!!!

[Nismo_Freak]

For all of us that drives a 240 or silvia dont forget that the Z is THE ROOT of nissans racing heritage.

Umm... only in the US, and the 510 was right there with it.

Sport Z magazine did a very good interview of Mr. K in which he talked about how Nissan's racing program was started in the US. It was a Z put together from spare parts off of wrecked Zs that one of Mr. K's mechanics put together. Gotta start somewhere right?

[Sxse240]

i was pricing srt-4's 20,995 base here in dfw, DAMN THEM FOR NOT UNDERSTANDING THE BEAUTY OF RWD, DAMN THEM.

[BadMojo]

a car thats so nice that nissan retired the skylines in JGTC to run the Z's. i also forgot to mention a few Z's in D1. For all of us that drives a 240 or silvia dont forget that the Z is THE ROOT of nissans racing heritage.

I'm not disputing that the 350Z is an awesome car, as is the Skyline. I'd just point out that there were clear financial motivations behind replacing the Skyline with the Z.

Anyway, the Z heritage can't be denied and I'm sure the 350Z will rock in the JGTC.

[Onizuka]

You guys forgot the RX-8, which has less power but IMO looks better. I'd still rather have an '05 GT though.

Solid rear axle :eh:

Performance means alot, but when you see a 04 deep purple 350 sitting on factory volks with those gold brembos shinning through, its hard to look at a SRT-4 afterwords.

[BuLLeTdrift]

Man i'm tired, and i don't feel like reading everything here/there. all i know is that 1/4 time ain't everything. it seems like those srt folks think this is true. if so then why would people even buy luxary cars? But a 350 Z to a NEON...???...why is this even a question?

[BadMojo]

But a 350 Z to a NEON...???...why is this even a question?

Yeah, I think that's basicallt the conclusion we came to on this thread. I can't even remember what this was originally about...

[StrangeLove]

its about SRT-4 owners being d!ck

To quote a guy from the SRT-4 forums

Quote »After the other day of going trolling on the 350z web site. I decided to do more, so i went out to my local dealer, and looked at one. Suprisingly they let me drive it, but the salesman came with, but i ragged the **** out of that car. I was riding the brakes the whole time. Stupid ****ing salesman just like the car. I asked him why does this car cost so much, and he said you have to pay for power. So i told him i could go accross the street to the dodge dealer and get an srt-4 alot cheaper, and he got pissed. I hope whom ever the stupid ****er is that buys that car, buys it and drives it off a cliff. I THINK THIS CAR SUCKS, Whats up with the tail lights? That's ****ing UGLY.[/quote]

It pisses me off so much that I can't go knock the **** out of this bastard

[BadMojo]

It pisses me off so much that I can't go knock the **** out of this bastard

He's definitely a prick. I hate that kind of stuff no matter what the target is. I'll never understand the whole domestic vs. import thing or even getting that pissed off about a car.

It's an inanimate object! It's not like the Z slept with his girl and then made fun of his genitalia...wait, maybe it did.

There are some cool guys over at SRTforums and there are a lot of d!ck...much like most of the internet (including some Nissan forums). I think we, here at NICO, are fortunate that most of our members are pretty open-minded guys who just plain like cars.

I'm not going to fault anyone for picking one type of car over another, and their decision doesn't make my choice of cars any less appropriate (for me). 350Z, SRT-4, Evo, WRX, RX-8, Mustang...it's all good to me.

Hell, I'm all for faster cars. I think the US gov't should pass a law mandating a minimum of 200hp to the wheels in order to register a vehicle for the road.

[gounc14]

=)

[w1ngzer0]

lol

[w1ngzer0]

i was pricing srt-4's 20,995 base here in dfw, DAMN THEM FOR NOT UNDERSTANDING THE BEAUTY OF RWD, DAMN THEM.

what are you talking about if they use those frame locks they can out handle any car :pface

[BadMojo]

i was pricing srt-4's 20,995 base here in dfw, DAMN THEM FOR NOT UNDERSTANDING THE BEAUTY OF RWD, DAMN THEM.

I believe the next gen Neon (you can bet your *** it won't be called that) it going to share a platform with Mitsubishi. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it won't be rear wheel drive.

I can get Dodge/Jeep/Chrysler vehicles at a reduced cost because of where I work, but unfortunately all of the SRT vehicles are excluded, and nothing else made by the company interests me (Mercedes Benz also excluded).

Still, I could pretty much get an SRT-4 under dealer invoice, anyway. They don't exactly sit on the lots around here, but there's no mark-up and I'm pretty sure I could beat MSRP with a little bit of effort.

It would make a hell of a daily driver while I make my 240SX a project car, but the cost to insure is pretty high on the SRT-4 (and other newer Neons too, BTW). Oh well...as long as I can keep the 240SX on the road I'll be set for a little while.

[sts76]

Reading these posts reminds me of the trackday I attended in May. Some guy talking about how great Z's are and Neons are crap. I passed him before the end of the first lap. In a non-turbo 1st gen Neon with about 160hp. In fact the only cars faster that day were a couple of modded Trans Ams and a modded 911.

[SmithSR]

There's always faster out there. Some guys run their mouth faster than they run their car. On that note, I can take you.