Spec-V vs. 2000 SI vs. RSX-S (vid)

[Checkered-Member]

This is a video of a Stock 2003 Spec-V vs. moded 2000 SI vs. slightly moded 2003 RSX-S

Who wins you ask? Spec-V every time, Honda and Acura got nothing, NOTHING!!!

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[juxaguy]

I hope the driver didn't answer the phone. :P

But yeah, on the last run, what happened to the civic? Did the driver give up?

[PalmerWMD]

good vid.

[SeVa-S13]

Don't Type-S's claim 200bhp? Versus the Spec-V's 175bhp?I can see the QR25 taking that all-top-end Honda motor from the line but once he got up into his band, I woulda thought he'd walk away....odd.

[Checkered-Member]

Don't Type-S's claim 200bhp? Versus the Spec-V's 175bhp?

Type-S only has 142tq @ 6000 RPMWhile Spec-V has 180tq @ 4000 RPM

that’s the difference

[nissanrcer240]

Type-S only has 142tq @ 6000 RPM= Thumbs down for honda:rolleyes

[SeVa-S13]

Type-S only has 142tq @ 6000 RPMWhile Spec-V has 180tq @ 4000 RPM

that’s the difference

That's fantastic. A diesel truck has exponetially more torque than a 240...who'll win a race?

[tl1000sga]

that was a dumb comment

[Checkered-Member]

Type-S only has 142tq @ 6000 RPM= Thumbs down for honda:rolleyes

Did you just soil my thread? DID YOU?!?:mad:

[Checkered-Member]

That's fantastic. A diesel truck has exponetially more torque than a 240...who'll win a race?

lets see...weight is the same, 5 speed transmission is used, both stock, the diesel truck will win...

if that was a retotical question then #*%^&*$@#$

[Checkered-Member]

that was a dumb comment

No, that was a dumb comment, because no one knows who you are referring to

[tl1000sga]

No, that was a dumb comment, because no one knows who you are referring to

If no comment was specified, then I would assume it's the comment it was posted under.:rolleyes

[APEXi240]

Looks like the camera car was the fastest...What was it an Teg?

RSX should have won top end, regardless or torque, but who knows anything about the drivers...

[Checkered-Member]

If no comment was specified, then I would assume it's the comment it was posted under.:rolleyes

My apologies

To all that say tq doesn’t matter I’ll provide several examples

All you non believers, or ignorant fools…I’ll provide the following numbers to justice that tq is more important then HP (the reason Diesel trucks don’t run 12's is because they weight twice the average car)

Case 12003 Acura CL-S 6 speed 260hp 232tq weight 3510lbs 0-60mph 6.1sec ¼ mile 14.8 2003 Audi A6 2.7T 6 speed 250 hp 258tq weight 3875lbs 0-60mph 5.9sec ¼ mile 14.5

Audi is heavier, has less hp, but has better times…why? More TQ

Case 22003 Acura RSX-S 6 speed 200hp 142tq weight 2778lbs 0-60mph 6.7sec 1/4mile 15.12003 VW BEETLE S 6 speed 180hp 173tq weight 3005lbs 0-60mph 7.0 1/4mile 15.2

The VW has less hp, is much heavier, puts out about the same times…why? More TQ

[Checkered-Member]

but who knows anything about the drivers...

They switched cars is the second race, so any driver difference would have produced different results, however the Spec-V won every time

[APEXi240]

Good to know...I mean regardless I'm happy the Spec won, I'm just suprised the RSX didn't catch up top end.

[tl1000sga]

Actually, in the second race you can see the RSX start pulling back on the Spec. Glad to see the new spec can handle it's own though, I wonder what all was done to the RSX?

[C-Kwik]

Case 12003 Acura CL-S 6 speed 260hp 232tq weight 3510lbs 0-60mph 6.1sec ¼ mile 14.8 2003 Audi A6 2.7T 6 speed 250 hp 258tq weight 3875lbs 0-60mph 5.9sec ¼ mile 14.5

Audi is heavier, has less hp, but has better times…why? More TQ

The BMW M3 makes 262 lb-ft of torque and weighs 3,523 lbs yet it runs a 13.4 1/4 mile. The Infiniti G35 Sedan makes 260 lb-ft of torque and weighs 3,398 lbs and runs a 14.6 1/4 mile. The G35 makes 260 HP and the M3 makes 333 HP. Sounds like HP made a huge difference here. If what you are saying is true, the G35 should walk take the M3. But it doesn't. In fact it loses by a large margin despite the fact the G35 is lighter. There are many factors that affect how fast a car is despite the HP/Torque curve. HP to weight will be much more accurate than a torque to weight curve. If you'ld like I can elaborate quite a bit more on the possibilties, but it's late now. I'd have to get into a discussion on HP vs torque(which I have some very lengthy explanations for) and teh differences in the motors and cars you mention. Consider as food for thought, that you mention 2 turbo cars and in case 1, you compare a FWD car to an AWD car.

[nissanrcer240]

Did you just soil my thread? DID YOU?!?:mad:

[Checkered-Member]

^^^ a figure of speech

[spec-u-later]

Lets not forget about gear ratios. I have a spec and I know for a fact (because I do it all the time) I can go stock for stock and wax an rsx-s whenever I want. Torque owns all. Mwa ha ha haa.

[Checkered-Member]

The BMW M3 makes 262 lb-ft of torque and weighs 3,523 lbs yet it runs a 13.4 1/4 mile. The Infiniti G35 Sedan makes 260 lb-ft of torque and weighs 3,398 lbs and runs a 14.6 1/4 mile. The G35 makes 260 HP and the M3 makes 333 HP. Sounds like HP made a huge difference here. If what you are saying is true, the G35 should walk take the M3. But it doesn't. In fact it loses by a large margin despite the fact the G35 is lighter. There are many factors that affect how fast a car is despite the HP/Torque curve. HP to weight will be much more accurate than a torque to weight curve. If you'ld like I can elaborate quite a bit more on the possibilties, but it's late now. I'd have to get into a discussion on HP vs torque(which I have some very lengthy explanations for) and teh differences in the motors and cars you mention. Consider as food for thought, that you mention 2 turbo cars and in case 1, you compare a FWD car to an AWD car.

You provided an excellent exampleHowever the transmission is different the M3 uses a 6 speed manual while the G35 a 5 speed automatic. The 6 speed G35 runs 14.1.I never said hp is not important. Just TQ makes a bigger difference. A 333tq G35 will be much faster then 13.4sec in the 1/4 mile, but there is no way to find out for sure.

About turbo vs N/A, *turbo lag* the turbo car should be slower, but they both put down the same, a hp is a hp, doesn’t matter how it’s produced,

AWD vs. FWD, more loss to the wheels in the AWD car, so the AWD car is actually in a disadvantage, but has a slight advantage of traction, while the FWD has more hp to the wheels but less tractionthose two things basically cancel each other (not literally) but to compare the two

[carabuser]

My apologies

To all that say tq doesn’t matter I’ll provide several examples

All you non believers, or ignorant fools…I’ll provide the following numbers to justice that tq is more important then HP (the reason Diesel trucks don’t run 12's is because they weight twice the average car)

Case 12003 Acura CL-S 6 speed 260hp 232tq weight 3510lbs 0-60mph 6.1sec ¼ mile 14.8 2003 Audi A6 2.7T 6 speed 250 hp 258tq weight 3875lbs 0-60mph 5.9sec ¼ mile 14.5

Audi is heavier, has less hp, but has better times…why? More TQ

Aren't you forgetting something? Audi A6 2.7T <keyword>QUATTRO</keyword> That means AWD, which gives it A HUGE advantage at launch! Who's fool after all? lol

[spec-u-later]

Who's fool after all? lol [/QUOTE] Hmm, I think you just answered your own question.

[Checkered-Member]

Aren't you forgetting something? Audi A6 2.7T <keyword>QUATTRO</keyword> That means AWD, which gives it A HUGE advantage at launch! Who's fool after all? lol

What a troll…first post and already starts bashing

I already addressed that issue…

[nissanrcer240]

^^^ a figure of speech

Yeah i figured, I had just never heard anyone say it before

Quote »What a troll…first post and already starts bashing[/quote]

lol Good ole noob's

[SeVa-S13]

I never said Torque didn't matter but you're quite out of line with the ignorant fool comment.

Now as for the gearing of the two cars, I'm not sure on that so that could be why the Spec-V won or maybe it has an LSD and the RSX does not....but the Spec-V is a foor dour sedan so I'd think that if the RSX wasn't lighter, it wouldn't be giving up that much weight to the Spec-V.

[carabuser]

oh, "I'm sorry", the dude gives false info but has more posts, oops, he's right then. Yeah, I was wrong, the Audi doesn't have an advantage cuz of awd, it's because I have fewer posts. You guys are ridiculous.

And yeah, I WILL be bashing anyone who's trying to make others look stupid when they aren't too smart themselves, no matter if I'm a noob here or not.

[carabuser]

What a troll…first post and already starts bashing

I already addressed that issue…

Oh yeah, you did. Ten mins before my post. Yup, that's how long it took me to se what A6 you were talking about, reply to few other posts and get some work done meanwhile.

[Mr1der]

for an example, my Thunderbird makes around 315ft pounds of torque and a mear 210 hp and weighs around 4200 while a Q45 weighs in the same has less torque, but makes 270 hp.

I'd probably get schooled by a Q in a drag:(