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srellim234 wrote:For you to sit there and even suggest that in general she and the deputies she works with would even consider slowing down their law enforcement efforts in a situation is incredibly insulting and naive.
I'll say it. It's happened before. Why couldn't it happen again?

And your wife had nothing to do with it, so leave her (and all of the rest of us who have worked in law enforcement) out of it.


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Union membership is mandatory for the job. The cop has no choice in the matter. In my opinion such slowdowns as you suggest have happened but would be dealt with severely in today's environment.

AZ, I get it. You wouldn't. My wife wouldn't. Her sergeant wouldn't. Her fellow detectives wouldn't. The deputies at the local station wouldn't. Identify for me what it is that makes Wisconsin law enforcement so corrupt and/or willing to compromise ethics and shirk their job responsibilities compared to any other department in the country. If you are so hellbent to leave the good ethical LEOs out of it, then identify and name the ones who would and leave all the good ones out of it as you suggest. But don't say this is going to happen unless you can identify who is going to do it. Otherwise, intentional or not, you are insinuating that the entire group is not ethical simply by a membership in a union that is not their choice.

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I'm simply saying, it has happened before. And prior behavior is a FAR better indicator of future behavior than your "gut" feeling.

You can't definitively say who "wouldn't", because it's happened. A lot. It's called "blue flu", a "sickout", a "strike action", and it's abhorrent.

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Blue flu, sickouts and the like affect EVERY business and citizen, not just those who do not support you. With the majority of the citizens supporting the unions and siding against the state government in this issue, the unions are not going to risk turning that number and alienating the majority from support to against. They're looking to capitalize on their advantage in the populace. Look for them to do what they can to maintain that through the next election cycle.

In the heat of the moment I don't see LEOs making a list and checking it twice to see if they want to show up at an alarm going off or not. They won't be questioning the assailant and victim and then deciding what they want to do. Targeting who they respond to still risks alienating many of their supporters.

A boycott as called for in the manner they have outlined makes a lot more sense.

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Now, Greg, on the other hand seems keen to run where Aud didn't.

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Ok ... took a bit of a break from this forum, most cause i've been dog busy fixing my Z. But I've thought of another point here on the whole idea of collective bargaining and the public sector, and why the two dont belong together. Again we'll contrast 2 scenarios, a private sector union, and a public sector union.

A) Private sector negotiations between business owners and workers union. The private sector industries cannot operate at a loss. They HAVE to profit or they will fail, and all those jobs will be lost. The workers know this. Despite whatever "greedy" aspirations you may attribute to private sector unions, they still have to operate within the confines of the operability of the business. That is, they cant make demands over and above what would work in the budget of the business. They can be a bit aggressive and force the business to reappropriate things, and shift thigns around, but they CANT make demands so strong that they break the business.

B) Now compare that to the public sector. The public sector has the unique ability of running at a loss, and if the budget breaks then whats the answer. Of course, boss man can just raise taxes, so out jobs arent going anywhere. The city government isnt leaving, they wont shut down. The public sector unions do not have to consider the normal confines of business parameters when making their demands, because they work for a business that has a moveable bottom line.

This is one of the major reasons that public sector unions should NOT be afforded collective bargaining. I'm sure to see opposition to this position, and am interested in the base it will operate from.

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To a point you're right but not totally. Cities do in fact "go out of business" in certain industries. Police and fire are disbanded and outsourced to counties. Near here in Covina much of the processing and billing for city services has been outsourced to private companies. Costa Mesa is handing out layoff notices to half of the city employees. It works the other way, too. One local area decided it was in their best interest to form a new city instead of continuing to have to depend and pay for county services.

Cities, counties and states are more and more being forced to live within their means. The public needs to keep the pressure on them. We need to turn off the tap of money flowing from the state and federal governments. We also need to start forcing states and the feds to quit issuing unfunded mandates to the smaller government entities.

A balanced budget amendment with no expenses allowed to be "off-budget" would go a long way to solving the fed's addiction to spending. The same with the State of California.

It's not nearly as easy to simply raise taxes as it used to be. Many of the people I talk to who make that claim are elderly or those whose research doesn't really extend to current times. They're stuck remembering 1960s through 1990s.

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I'm still not getting how collective bargaining relates to profits. Collective bargaining is a contract negotiation. It's about whatever your operation is about, be it distribution of earnings, distribution of State budget allocations, working conditions, time flexibility, etc.

I'm sorry, Stebo, but even if we ignore the fact that unions exist in private nonprofits, I don't see how an absence of profit-seeking organizational motive means that the janitors shouldn't be allowed to negotiate with the State altogether.

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Anyone hear this when it broke yesterday?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgOEraouhxU[/youtube]

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Unions are almost dead. We cannot survive doing what we do but the simple fact of the matter is community organizations are almost dead also. And if you think about what we need to do it may give us some direction which is essentially what the folks that are in charge - the big banks and everything - what they want is stability.
There are actually extraordinary things we could do right now to start to destabilize the folks that are in power and start to rebuild a movement.
For example, 10% of homeowners are underwater right their home they are paying more for it then its worth 10% of those people are in strategic default, meaning they are refusing to pay but they are staying in their home that's totally spontaneous they figured out it takes a year to kick me out of my home because foreclosure is backed up

If you could double that number you would you could put banks at the edge of insolvency again.

Students have a trillion dollar debt

We have an entire economy that is built on debt and banks so the question would be what would happen if we organized homeowners in mass to do a mortgage strike if we get half a million people to agree it would literally cause a new finical crisis for the banks not for us we would be doing quite well we wouldn't be paying anything...
We have to think much more creatively. The key thing... What does the other side fear the most - they fear disruption. They fear uncertainty. Every article about Europe says in they rioted in Greece the markets went down
The folks that control this country care about one thing how the stock market goes what the bond market does how the bonuses goes. We have a very simple strategy:

* How do we bring down the stock market
* How do we bring down their bonuses
* How do we interfere with there ability to be rich...

So a bunch of us around the country think who would be a really good company to hate we decided that would be JP Morgan Chase and so we are going to roll out over the next couple of months what would hopefully be an exciting campaign about JP Morgan Chase that is really about challenge the power of Wall Street.
And so what we are looking at is the first week in May can we get enough people together starting now to really have an week of action in New York I don't want to give any details because I don't know if there are any police agents in the room.

The goal would be that we will roll out of New York the first week of May. We will connect three ideas

* that we are not broke there is plenty of money
* they have the money - we need to get it back
* and that they are using Bloomberg and other people in government as the vehicle to try and destroy us

And so we need to take on those folks at the same time. And that we will start here we are going to look at a week of civil disobedience - direct action all over the city. Then roll into the JP Morgan shareholder meeting which they moved out of New York because I guess they were afraid because of Columbus.
There is going to be a ten state mobilization to try and shut down that meeting and then looking at bank shareholder meetings around the country and try and create some moments like Madison except where we are on offense instead of defense

Where we have brave and heroic battles challenging the power of the giant corporations. We hope to inspire a much bigger movement about redistributing wealth and power in the country and that labor can’t do itself that community groups can’t do themselves but maybe we can work something new and different that can be brave enough and daring and nimble enough to do that kind of thing.
Steven Lerner of SEUI fame...repeat Obama visitor to the White House, etc etc.

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audtatious wrote:repeat Obama visitor to the White House, etc etc.
Guilt by association be gone!

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Did I accuse Obama of anything?

Let's discuss that or something else and ignore what others are trying to do as it may show poorly on those who have been involved with these unions for years.

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What's the significance of the current statements of a former official?

I assume you wanted to discuss things that matter.

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I posted that up to let others know what is going on. I posted it in this thread because it shows what a top union official (formerly?) and other cronies are trying to do. No, I'm not claiming all union officials are wanting to crash the US economy as a means to reform the US into the world they want.

Thinking about it, I don't know why I really bothered posting it here. On other political forums there has been some very good bipartisan outrage at what these people are trying to do and wondering when the US Gov is going to do something about it as this can be considered terrorism. Here? It's just going to go around in circles and waste my time like it already is.

So, forget I posted anything.

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What should the government do about this one guy?

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The FBI defines terrorism as the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives. The Geneva Center for Security and Policy defines economic terrorism as “varied, coordinated and sophisticated or massive destabilizing actions in order to disrupt the economic and financial stability of a state a group of states or a society for ideological or religious motives.”

What does one have to do with the other? Not sure, but they are definitions of forms of terrorism.

Now, what this guy and his merry band are trying to arrange is the downfall of our economy. Some would say that downfall would be the result of coercion of Govt/civilian population for political or social objectives. Some would say it meets economic terrorism as it is an attempt to disrupt economic and financial stability of states or a society for ideological motives.

Additionally, from a precedent standpoint, Bernard von NotHaus was just convicted for making, possessing, and selling his own coins. The DOJ attorney who prosecuted the case stated that NotHaus was guilty of “attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism.”

Since this group is trying to undermine our economy for their own gains wouldn't they also be guilty of the same?

Interesting that the media is pretty much ignoring this whole thing as well. It should be noted that Learner is still being introduced as the Director of SEIU’s Banking and Finance Campaign. SEUI will not deny nor confirm that he still works for them. If he is still working for the SEIU wouldn't it be quite concerning that a director for one of the largest unions is trying to setup and initiate a destabilization of our whole economy?

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Lerner was fired from SEIU in November for attempting to divert funds to an effort like the one you're describing. Apparently, he had a reputation for grandiose, ineffective publicity stunts that cost way too much., and this was a bridge too far. So, I'm forced to ask: which merry band are you referring to?

That said, trying to undermine the function of the economy is not what they are trying to do; rather, he's advocating for an organized effort to breach contracts, en masse. One's a crime, the other is not. That's the distinction that I can't believe I'm having to make between what a former union guy said in a speech and what a lawyer argued in court. You're ridiculous.

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I'm just ridiculous as usual. Never mind and carry on.

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Gladly.

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8MVFoiw-dw[/youtube]

Sorry, but Dagny is just a BAMF

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:rolleyes:

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Charlie Jane Anders at io9.com wrote:Every cult needs its own wacky trainwreck of a movie. Scientology got Battlefield Earth, and now the cult of Ayn Rand gets Atlas Shrugged, Part 1. But how does Atlas stand up to Battlefield Earth?

Quite well, actually. Atlas Shrugged Part 1, which just opened in theaters today, is a grand addition to the roster of movies that are both kooky and clunky. A movie this hideously wonderful really ought to be against the law.

Spoilers ahead...
Actually, scratch that. The federal government shouldn't outlaw dreadful movies like Atlas Shrugged – rather, the feds should just regulate them. For example, we could have a federal mandate that all such movies must star Nicolas Cage or a comparable actor – someone who knows how to bring the right level of gravitas to dialogue like, "Which do I sacrifice: an excellent piece of smelting, or this Institute?"

Call it the Nicolas Cage Full Employment Act. Or better yet, since Nic Cage is a precious national resource that's currently being distributed unevenly, the Nic Cage National Equalization Act. It should be up to the federal government to make sure that as many ludicrously insane movies as possible have access to the vital panacea that is Nic Cage.

The good news is, according to Atlas Shrugged the movie, all it takes to pass a new federal law is three people sitting in an upscale restaurant, as long as one of them has a cigar. Any time someone with a cigar mentions some completely demented idea for a federal law, it becomes the law of the land within five minutes or so.

In Atlas Shrugged Part 1, it's the dystopian year of 2016, and a lot of stuff has gone off the rails (literally) in just five years. The economy has collapsed, and the Dow Jones Industrial Average is under 4,000. Because of unrest in the Middle East, there's no more oil, and gasoline is $37 a gallon. We see lots of scenes of the rusted, decaying landscape, with former corporate vice presidents standing around wearing sandwich boards proclaiming that they will vice-preside for food. (And even though everybody's out of work and there's almost no industry, people talking about runaway inflation, presumably because elves are on a buying spree.)

So everybody has to travel by rail – which makes it a shame that the antiquated rail lines have something like a 50 percent derailment rate. The federal government seems totally uninterested in mandating safety standards for the rail industry, since all the feds care about is outlawing competition and efficiency and stuff.

So we meet the Taggarts, head of the amazingly Taggart Railway, which practically has a "Days Without Derailment: 0" sign hanging in its headquarters. There's Jim Taggart, who'd rather beg the government to put his slightly less derail-y competitors out of business than replace all his railway ties that are currently made out of cotton candy. Meanwhile, there's his amazonian sister Dagny, who wants to succeed in the rail business by actually having rails. It's one of those radical ideas that might just work.

The trouble is, Dagny is having trouble getting new steel rails made, probably because of the government. So she turns to a new company, Rearden Metal, which has a new metal that's twice as light as steel and yet twice as sturdy. People keep warning Dagny that metalologists think this new metal is unstable, and it's never been tested – because in this dystopian future, everyone's forgotten the secret of testing metal. The Senior Metalological Institute of Metalology is extremely perturbed.

But that's okay, because Rearden Metal's metal, called Rearden Metal, is made out of pure Individualism. It is sturdy and shiny and brilliant and rugged – much like its inventor, Hank Rearden. Early on, we see Hank Rearden telling his secretary to throw away all his phone messages from the Metalosophers and all those people who think they know about metal.

So anyway Dagny decides to use Rearden Metal's new Rearden Metal to replace her rails, without testing it first, because the Invisible Hand. Dagny and Hank begin a sweaty, lustful, entrepreneurial courtship, which consists of them looking into each other's eyes and talking mistily about the power of selfishness. They're the only two people who understand each other, in a world of frivolous, decadent rich people who just want to be part of the system and drink endlessly fizzy cocktails.

And of course, all the other business people, who can't compete with Dagny and Hank, want the government to drive them out of business. Cue lots of scenes of those three guys coming up with ever more cracktastic ideas for new laws, such as the idea that one person can only own one company. (And for some reason, Rearden Metal, Rearden Smelting and Rearden Ore are three different companies. Hank should fire his lawyers.) People talk seriously about the "Dog Eat Dog rule" outlawing competition between companies, and the Equalization of Opportunity Bill outlawing some states having more money than others. You start to wonder just what is in those cigars they're smoking – and can we in the audience have some too?

Meanwhile, the debate over whether Rearden Metal's Rearden Metal is safe goes on and on. At one point, the State Science Institute apparently decides the metal is safe – but issues a statement saying otherwise, because they're worried about losing their funding. They're the last remaining science institute in the country and they're hanging on by a thread. (That's where we get the great line about "excellent smelting," which sort of sums up the movie right there.)

My absolute favorite scene in the movie comes soon after, where Armin Shimmerman (Quark from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine) shows up to portray the ultimate personification of central planning – the Anti-Quark, if you will. The Anti-Quark wants Hank Rearden to sell his company to the government, so he'll stop putting all those poor steel companies out of business. Hank tells the Anti-Quark that he'll sell the company if the Anti-Quark can answer the question, "Is Rearden Metal good?" He asks this like ten times, and the Anti-Quark refuses to answer, finally saying that it doesn't matter – if the metal is bad, then it'll cause horrible fatalities on this new railroad. If the metal actually is good, then it'll put these other companies out of business. So it's either a safety risk or a social risk.

Oh, and Armin Shimmerman gets the amazing line, "During a steel shortage, we can't allow a company that produces too much steel."

The whole business left me wanting to meet the Anti-Odo.

So the movie, in general, is about the development of new technology, and whether society should welcome or fear scientific innovation. And the two choices appear to be: A) test the new metal by running a train over a suspension bridge made out of it, going 250 miles per hour; or B) condemn the new metal without any testing whatsoever. In a sense, this movie aims to fulfill that great mission of science fiction: exploring the impact of new scientific discoveries on the world as a whole. Unfortunately, we get only one or two moments where anybody takes seriously the idea that a metal half as heavy and twice as strong as steel could have some interesting uses. Damn those metalologers.

And then towards the end of the movie, we suddenly take a sharp left turn, because Dagny and Hank find out a miraculous engine that uses the Casimir Effect and has a miniature particle accelerator in it to create atmospheric intensity. It's like the engine equivalent of Rearden Metal's fabulous Rearden Metal, except that it was never produced because the company that was making it turned Socialist.

So Dagny goes on a quest to track down the inventor of this engine, which leads her to a former physics professor who now runs a diner in the middle of nowhere. He tells her, "The secret you're trying to solve is greater – and I mean, much greater – than an engine that runs on atmospheric intensity."

What could be greater than an engine that runs on atmospheric intensity? We may never find out (unless we read the book, which seems like too much to ask) because the movie ends soon afterwards. This is only part one of a two three-part movie – because just like Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows and The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn, there's too much story in Atlas Shrugged for just one movie.

I don't want to give away the movie's cliffhanger ending, but it's basically the culmination of a running subplot in which men of genius are all vanishing to join the mysterious John Galt. And it ends with Dagny on her knees, surrounded by flames and giant libertarian placards, looking up at the camera and shrieking, "Nooooooooooo!"

Somehow, I think everyone in the audience knows how she feels.

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:rolleyes:

Every day, public sector unions are hard at work... protesting cuts to public sector unions? Really? This is the crap that passes for talking points? Couldn't possibly be that they get better working conditions and living wages from the government for government employees, could it?

Utter crap.

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IBCoupe wrote:
Charlie Jane Anders at io9.com wrote:...
TL;SR;WFTB

(too long, still read, want three minutes back) :frown:

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AZhitman wrote:TL;SR;WFTB

(too long, still read, want three minutes back) :frown:
Just think, Greg, Atlas Shrugged Part I has a 97-minute runtime. You were actually saved 94 minutes.

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In that case, I owe you an adult beverage of your choice.

In my Cabinet, you shall be my Minister of Efficiency and Frugality.

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Ya, saved 3 minutes by a complete misrepresentation, amounts to determining the quality of a Star Trek film based on Paula Deans review, "Im sorry it just didnt have enough butter for me"

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AZhitman wrote:In that case, I owe you an adult beverage of your choice.

In my Cabinet, you shall be my Minister of Efficiency and Frugality.
There's a Jew joke in there. I'm sure of it.

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Wow. Straight up BS going on in WI now by the Republicans:

http://articles.boston.com/2011-07-14/n ... -democrats

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At best, it was a d!ck attempt to delay the actual recall elections. At worst, it was the sleaziest of politics.


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