Sold my S14, time to start an S13 coupe?

Post by **NeedCAforS13** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

rotary would be hot:)

Sean

Post by **supra brit** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

Haha, but I'm a little rusty on rotaries...i don't know much about them.

Post by **cys19** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

So, Jason, any news on those 6 240's?

Post by **JayPat83** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

didn't go out this weekend cys19, maybe this weekend i can try to hunt them down

Post by **cys19** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

COol with me Jaypat.

Hey I just heard a KA turbo costs 4k! Screw that. CA18 all the way!

Post by **JayPat83** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

who the hell said a kat costs 4 g's? they are ****ing stupid!i can get the whole thing done and tuned properly for 2600

Post by **cys19** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

mmmm not bad at all. i could buy like 3 KA's, store them in a storage room, and swap them every 3 years and keep the same turbo

Post by **StrangeLove** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

Do you guys really think that .2 liters is that big of a difference? come on!

Just read up on the CA abit

"The CA18 is believed by many to be Nissan's best motor and in many ways better than the SR20. Also available as a 1.6l and a 2l, the 1.8L twin cam is the very nearly perfect. Being exceptionally smooth, reliable and compact the CA18 has all the virtues of an ideal conversion motor.

With direct fire ignition, twin cam 16 valve cross flow head, mini-butterfly plate & spark plug mounted coils the CA18 is a highly engineered motor, and it was these attributes that lead to its demise. Being too costly a motor to be produced with too many parts having high production costs. Regardless, many of the developments used on the CA 18 have been carried over to other Nissan motors, such as the crank angle sensor, direct fire & spark plug mounted coils as well as others. Running a relatively small turbo standard, boost is smooth in its delivery and comes in early at approximately 3000 rpm"

Basically they stop making CAs because they were too expensive, and they switched to the SR because it is CHEAP

Post by **supra brit** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

I just might reconsider the CA...I don't know what I'm going to do!

Post by **cys19** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

Yeah pills was saying what I had already said. My first pick is the CA-T, but if I can't find any when I get the money, I'm going for the KA-T.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

pills wrote:Do you guys really think that .2 liters is that big of a difference? come on!

Just read up on the CA abit

"The CA18 is believed by many to be Nissan's best motor and in many ways better than the SR20. Also available as a 1.6l and a 2l, the 1.8L twin cam is the very nearly perfect. Being exceptionally smooth, reliable and compact the CA18 has all the virtues of an ideal conversion motor.

With direct fire ignition, twin cam 16 valve cross flow head, mini-butterfly plate & spark plug mounted coils the CA18 is a highly engineered motor, and it was these attributes that lead to its demise. Being too costly a motor to be produced with too many parts having high production costs. Regardless, many of the developments used on the CA 18 have been carried over to other Nissan motors, such as the crank angle sensor, direct fire & spark plug mounted coils as well as others. Running a relatively small turbo standard, boost is smooth in its delivery and comes in early at approximately 3000 rpm"

Basically they stop making CAs because they were too expensive, and they switched to the SR because it is CHEAP

Wtf? every feature of the Ca listed in that quote is carried over to the SR. Not to mention the cost of the more elaborate head and the cost to re-tool factories, train mechanics, print manuals and cast new parts.

I wont argue that the CA is a bad motor, only that producing a new motor isnt cheap.

Post by **MainEvent212** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

yeah...everyone seems to knock the sr20det...if it's so crappy...why do so many people swap them and how come nissan used it for so long in multiple platforms?

rethink yourselfs guys...

if i had money to do it all over again, i'd probably go with a KA-T and a S14 T28 turbo. Those are supposed to make like 300+ hp on a KA24DE and are very spool-friendly

Post by **StrangeLove** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

Quote »Wtf? every feature of the Ca listed in that quote is carried over to the SR. Not to mention the cost of the more elaborate head and the cost to re-tool factories, train mechanics, print manuals and cast new parts.[/quote]

Maybe the cost of doing that would come out cheaper than keeping what they had over the long run?

I'd still go with the CA over the SR, aside from it being a better engine, its a hell of alot cheaper, more bang for the buck...

Post by **NeedCAforS13** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

MainEvent212 wrote:why do so many people swap them and how come nissan used it for so long in multiple platforms?

because it was inexpensive to produce...

along your logic, the KA would be an excellent engine to use becuase its used in many platforms across many years, but people are practically giving them away. Not to knock the KA or a KA-T but your logic is somewhat flawed.

And the CA was used in plenty of cars as well. Single cam CA18ET's were used in 80's 200sx's, CA20E's were used in stanzas, CA18DE's were used in pulsars, CA18DET's were used in 180's, silvia's, and european 200sx's, so Nissan uses all of its motors in different platforms across many years.

Sean

Post by **NeedCAforS13** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

some CA18 history/info taken from a British Magazine article...

http://www.ca18det.org/history.html

Sean

Post by **cys19** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

Let's try to keep the CA on the downlow until I finally get my 240 after 3 years of saving up, so those ricers won't out-buy them all before I get mine, like what happened with the 240's.

Edit: I saw some f***** on cardomain.com who sold his Prelude for a 240 and installed neon-lights all over it. That was when I reached the pinnacle of resentment for ricers. ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What's even worse is they can piss me off by buying out all the 240's, but there's no sense in buying out all the Civics and Preludes.

Website · Post by **tonyluvsilvia** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

2nrchic wrote:I just want to do something completely different with my car...

I've been contemplating an LS1 with a T-56 transmission, or possibly a 3.2L M3 engine if NA is what i wanted... 2JZ-GTE is the only choice for turbo engine.... but since I can't afford to be completely different, it looks like KA-T for me....

Post by **supra brit** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

Hell, any of those you mentioned would be AMAZING, but yeah, I wouldn't be able to afford it, at least not in the next 6 years...even an EJ25 would be bada$$, but again, expensive as hell...

Post by **Mr1der** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

I hate it when makes get mixed between engine and car...just seems so wrong!

it's even better when you stick with what you already have in it!:D

Website · Post by **tonyluvsilvia** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

Mr1der wrote:it's even better when you stick with what you already have in it!:D

whats better: a KA24DE ....or an LS1, or 2JZGTE, or S54? :beatfreak

Post by **Mr1der** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

a built KA in a Nissan 240, an LS1 in some Chevy Product or the I6 in the sweet E's.

no mutts please:)

surely everyone can find a good make from the car's respective maker to put in there to avoid disturbing crossbreeding.

I don't even much care for it even from the factory. Like the new Elise for example, that kinda sucks, but it's probably better being as Lotus usually kinda sucks when it comes to building a good engine.

How would you feel if I started throwing Ford engines into everything? Granted, they actually DO make some good ones that'll surprise you what they pop up in. (think Caterhams and Nobles and a few other under the radar supercars)

there seems to be a huge following for the RB series in the Nissan world.

out of any however, if I had to use one of the three mentioned, I think I'd use the SB chevy as it's simple and cheap for power and parts.

you want a better motor, maybe a better car?:D

I must say though, if I had the money, I'd be tempted to put a turbocharged Ford 4.6 DOHC modular motor in the T Bird with a T-56 behind it because well, nobody suspects the MN12 Thunderbirds of tossin' the beating.

it's mainly the mixing of Manufacturers that aggravates me, seems so wrong and disloyal:( Ford Street Rods with SB Chevy's make me sad and vice versa.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

I too have mixed feelings about cross breeds. But the SB chevy is so much the all purpose motor it belongs less to chevy than it does to automotive enthusiast.

Post by **JayPat83** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

how's about a 72 Ford 429 BB in a 240? 370 horse and 450 torgue?!?! nah, that is what is in the 72 torino i am buying next week.

Post by **Doomed2Walk** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

I pity the fool who thinks a CA is better than an SR. This subject about CA vs. SR vs. KA is pretty pointless IMO, they're all good engines and have their own advantages and disadvantages. And I also heard the reason Nissan went from the CA to the SR was because the quality and parts were getting too expensive to produce so they "downgraded" to the SR.

If my car and engine were in good condition, personally I would go the turboed KA route, but since the previous owners took such sh*tty care of it, and since I was too impatient to look for a car in better condition and/or a better deal I must pay for it now. :\

If I could afford it, I would love to have a CA powered RPS13, S13 SR powered S13 coupe, keep my soon to be S14 SR powered S14

, and a turbo KA S14M/C. Can never have too many 240s is what I say.

Post by **IlIkEmYz** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

Doomed2Walk wrote: Can never have too many 240s is what I say.

i know what you mean i plan on getting a s14 and a s15 if i get hella rich.

Post by **NeedCAforS13** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

Doomed2Walk wrote:If I could afford it, I would love to have a CA powered RPS13, S13 SR powered S13 coupe, keep my soon to be S14 SR powered S14 , and a turbo KA S14M/C. Can never have too many 240s is what I say.

RPS13 = hatch with SRPS13 = coupe with SRRS13 = hatch with CAS13 = coupe with CA

so you wouldn't have an RPS13 with a CA... and I still say CA beats an SR in your bang -> buck equation:)

Sean

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