So...what cars/trucks have you surprised at the red light?

[armybrat]

I don't really see much stop light action, since I go in early to work, and most of my driving is highway anyway. Still I've managed to surprise a few cars who thought they could take me at a red light. For the most part, my M looks like a sleeper since I am pretty much stock except for the exhaust and intake hoses, both which makes the car sound intimidating. I seem to attract the smaller sportier cars like the Hyundai Veloster Turbo, WV Golf GTI, Ford ST, Honda Civic Si, all of which I managed to dispatch so far. I would like to see how I fare against a similar sedan in my class like a BMW 5 series, Mercedes S550, Chevy SS, Charger Hemi, etc...can't seem to catch one though. There is a white Chevy SS with a custom exhaust running around town who thinks he's tough but he's going in the opposite direction everytime I see him. There is also a Porsche Panamera in town (not the turbo) I tried to bait but he didn't bite. Not really interested in Camaros, Mustangs, etc since they are not really in my class but it would be interesting anyway.

Just wondering how your M performs against the competition...

[vr4z06gt]

Smoked my buddies C5 Corvette (non Z06). I let him call it down since he has a standard, obviously killed him off the line and only widened the gap until ~90MPH when we both called it quits.

At the next stop he says to me: I don't know what's funnier, the fact that the grandpa mobile (M56) just smoked a corvette or that we just dragged raced with mountain bikes on the backs of our cars. We both have trailer hitch's on our cars for our bike racks.

[PostalsQ]

My brother in laws 5.7 Dodge Magnum. 2 stop lights. Each time. Same results. He was sincerely surprised since I have a 6 banger to his V8.

[DFW2011M56S]

My buddies 1997 C1500 chevy truck. It has a cammed 6.0L LS swap, stalled 4L80E and 3.90 gears on drag radials. Guess I should say it was tuned by me and runs very strongly. Got me on the launch but I pulled on him after 40 mph.

[walt1227]

My wife beat a Hemi Charger with me on the passenger side. I beat my brother in his 300 C Hemi and my other brother in his Genesis sedan V6 which is pretty quick. Beat a guy in a modded Toyota Tunda, Chevy Silverado. Beat a Hellcat Challenger with (500 HP) black key on the freeway until I got scared and backed off my gas. Had a old guy in a CS/GT Mustang try me on the interstate coming home from my parents on Friday, pulled around him like he was standing still. There is a 392 Scat pack charger around that I would like to catch but he is always going the other way. Same thing for these new 5.0's. The Camaro isn't fast enough to beat our cars based on video I've seen on Youtube to support those claims. Still would try one if they pulled up beside me. I'm not opposed to racing anyone that is stock or modded just a little especially if I know what the stock baseline performance of the vehicle is. Most of us would take the Scat Pack 392 in maybe an 1/8th mile based on the fact that it spins so much. I Think that is what helps us beat a lot of these cars off the line and helps us achieve such good 0-60 times based on the way these cars are geared. However, turn traction off and we are just as bad as the Scat Pack spinning out the hole.

[Snake31]

My M56x was pretty surprised when I mashed the accelerator pedal down and expected the car to go

[Mjkkb2]

[Ilya]

My M56x was pretty surprised when I mashed the accelerator pedal down and expected the car to go

Bruh, you're in OH. It's cold. It's not yet the season for our M's to hate us . That only happens from May-August lol.

[mikedamageinc]

OP said you Camaro/Mustang is not in your class but you want to race a Challenger? I'm sure the v8 version of any of the newer models would beat an M56 driven properly.

And not sure about the 500hp Hell cat that was beat, it's 700hp and either wasn't racing or not a real hellcat.

[ArmedAviator]

I often surprise people at red lights. It's common courtesy to honk your horn and wave as you slide through the intersection on snow/slush/ice.

Green lights are my personal favorite though.

[mikedamageinc]

I often surprise people at red lights. It's common courtesy to honk your horn and wave as you slide through the intersection on snow/slush/ice.

Green lights are my personal favorite though.

Haha, or in Chicago during good weather, honk your horn and floor it seems to be the way to get around downtown!

[DFW2011M56S]

OP said you Camaro/Mustang is not in your class but you want to race a Challenger? I'm sure the v8 version of any of the newer models would beat an M56 driven properly.

And not sure about the 500hp Hell cat that was beat, it's 700hp and either wasn't racing or not a real hellcat.

Base 6.2 Camaro and 2 different 5.0L Mustangs have tango'd with my M56 and LOST at every point in the race. I have raced a very moded, heavily boosted Evo and you could tell he was very angry the big M56 was right with him. I have also raced a 392 ScatPack and he ended up walking slowly away about 140.

[Mjkkb2]

I usually only win if the other party doesn't know we're in a race

[armybrat]

OP said you Camaro/Mustang is not in your class but you want to race a Challenger? I'm sure the v8 version of any of the newer models would beat an M56 driven properly.

And not sure about the 500hp Hell cat that was beat, it's 700hp and either wasn't racing or not a real hellcat.

Technically IMHO, the Challenger is in the same class as the Camaro, Mustang, etc.

I partially disagree about the V8 versions of any of the newer models...according to the specs, the 5.7 Hemi R/T model is 0.3 seconds slower than the M56 off the line. The SRT8 is only 0.2 seconds faster...and I'm only talking about a stock M56. With modified intakes, exhaust and a custom tune, I believe the the M56 can take the SRT8.

I agree that the Hellcat is too much for the M56, in full blown track mode. Not sure about the lower settings that reduce the horsepower.

[mikedamageinc]

The Challenger is the same class as Camaro, etc which I was confused by your original statement.

The hellcat is a supercharged v8, non hellcat are not, that is "lower settings" without supercharger, which there are several v8s in the Chrysler cars.

Mustang and Camaro v8s are mid 400hp with well under 4k# while the m56 is low 400 and just over 4k, stock anyways, so unless the other driver just sucks, the numbers don't favor the M, especially without the ability to launch.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to bash here, just want to get to the root of it.

[Ilya]

The Challenger is the same class as Camaro, etc which I was confused by your original statement.

The hellcat is a supercharged v8, non hellcat are not, that is "lower settings" without supercharger, which there are several v8s in the Chrysler cars.

Mustang and Camaro v8s are mid 400hp with well under 4k# while the m56 is low 400 and just over 4k, stock anyways, so unless the other driver just sucks, the numbers don't favor the M, especially without the ability to launch.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to bash here, just want to get to the root of it.

Keep in mind there are rumblings of the V8 in the M being underrated. No concrete evidence or scientific data...but I think someone got like 450 at the wheels from basic bolt ons which should only give ~15hp...which would put the M56 at like 435 at the wheels stock, not 420 at the crank as is advertised.

EDIT: See comment below by DFW. Evidently I was mistaken and had my wires crossed. Still, it seems the car (whether at the wheels or at the crank) is underrated from the factory so the larger point still stands .

[DFW2011M56S]

The Challenger is the same class as Camaro, etc which I was confused by your original statement.

The hellcat is a supercharged v8, non hellcat are not, that is "lower settings" without supercharger, which there are several v8s in the Chrysler cars.

Mustang and Camaro v8s are mid 400hp with well under 4k# while the m56 is low 400 and just over 4k, stock anyways, so unless the other driver just sucks, the numbers don't favor the M, especially without the ability to launch.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to bash here, just want to get to the root of it.

Except the M56 rolled out of the factory with 370-380 RWHP STOCK which puts it solidly in the 440-450 HP range. The newer big 3 "Muscle cars" are all close to 4,000 lbs as well. We also make ALOT more low-midrange torque than the 5.0/6.1/6.2/6.4 engines in those models.

[EdBwoy]

The hellcat is a supercharged v8, non hellcat are not, that is "lower settings" without supercharger...

Mikedamage, have you heard of the hellcat red key?
Just gotta catch the kitty on a good day

[armybrat]

The Challenger is the same class as Camaro, etc which I was confused by your original statement.

The hellcat is a supercharged v8, non hellcat are not, that is "lower settings" without supercharger, which there are several v8s in the Chrysler cars.

Mustang and Camaro v8s are mid 400hp with well under 4k# while the m56 is low 400 and just over 4k, stock anyways, so unless the other driver just sucks, the numbers don't favor the M, especially without the ability to launch.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to bash here, just want to get to the root of it.

I agree, so no worries...which is why I choose to compare similar V8 sedans, not sports cars...however it is interesting to see how the M compares to them anyways. The Charger with the non-hellcat motor will be slower than the Challenger with the same motor...same as the Chevy SS sedan with the 6.2 motor vs the Camaro with the same set up. There are smaller turbo charged sedans (non V8) that'll run with the M like the Ford Focus RS and the Subaru WRX STI.

[jmissile]

I've raced alot of challengers,chargers and camaros,, there's tons of them around where I live plus alot of new stangs. The 5.0s get away from me slightly on the fly but I've taken out a couple of 6spds in the 1/8th mile or from light to light. I wanna say the torque curve is way broader and def has better low end torque with the m's engine compared to most all of the other brands' so if they make the slightest mistake or can't shift quick enough I usually win. Couple times I've had to go up to 120 or so with the hemis just to make sure they know whos boss lol even though they might start creepin on me but by then the point is made. After all, its torque that moves the mass not hp so I'm curious how the m's torque specs stack up to the other v8s out there. I just think its pretty cool that with a heavy a** bone stock car we can compete with some of the new sports car out there, definately didn't buy my car for that purpose (lmao i thought it was just a titan engine in the m)but ive come to realize this vk56de is a gem and even though its still a very young powerplant on the scene,with all the potential i believe these engines have, I'm excited to hopefully to see one officially take down a hellcat someday. I think a 8-10lb blower would do just the trick.

[DFW2011M56S]

I've raced alot of challengers,chargers and camaros,, there's tons of them around where I live plus alot of new stangs. The 5.0s get away from me slightly on the fly but I've taken out a couple of 6spds in the 1/8th mile or from light to light. I wanna say the torque curve is way broader and def has better low end torque with the m's engine compared to most all of the other brands' so if they make the slightest mistake or can't shift quick enough I usually win. Couple times I've had to go up to 120 or so with the hemis just to make sure they know whos boss lol even though they might start creepin on me but by then the point is made. After all, its torque that moves the mass not hp so I'm curious how the m's torque specs stack up to the other v8s out there. I just think its pretty cool that with a heavy a** bone stock car we can compete with some of the new sports car out there, definately didn't buy my car for that purpose (lmao i thought it was just a titan engine in the m)but ive come to realize this vk56de is a gem and even though its still a very young powerplant on the scene,with all the potential i believe these engines have, I'm excited to hopefully to see one officially take down a hellcat someday. I think a 8-10lb blower would do just the trick.

The VK56DE is the first generation Titan engine. Our engine is the VK56VD. The DE is a jewel of an engine and the VD is a nice improvement upon the DE. The DE that was factory rated 317 HP and 385 TQ managed to push my 5,300 lbs Titan down the 1/4 mile in the 13.90s at 98-99 mph with minimal modifications. With minimal modification it also put down 330 RWHP and 402 RWTQ on a Dynojet and 296/388 on a loaded Mustang Dyno.

[walt1227]

Apparently some don't know the Hellcat is not 707 HP full time. It has two keys with it one black which puts it at 500 HP and the red key that unleashes the full 707 HP. I've hooked up with the guy several times on the way to work and every time he tried to come around me I was able to stop him up till 120 then I would get scared and back off. I would never try him if he had the red key in because it would be no contest. My car is not stock anyway well aside from some weight reduction and intake mods. I'm not afraid to race any of these new cars out here. I come from a racing back ground and know what those other cars can do. Don't be fooled into thinking that the M56 can't run or isn't that fast based on those 420 HP claims. The car is underrated HP and TQ wise by at least 30HP/TQ. I've driven the SRT Charger with 470 HP and this M feels just as fast if not faster. The major knock I've seen against this car is the limp mode in hot weather where the throttle response sucks. Other than that these things will run like a bat out of h*** especially in cold weather. Also there are a lo of V6's that will out run the Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, etc. BMW comes to mind with that new Twin turbo V6 that does 0-60 in 3.9 secs or so. Then Audi has that new sport back S5 354-hp turbocharged engine, 369 lb-ft of torque, an eight-speed automatic transmission and 0 to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds. That is another under powered but already up there with those sports cars 0-60 and possible 1/8th mile times or stop light to stop light performance which is all that matters to a lot of us. Guys we have some amazing sleeper cars that will beat a lot of stuff out here and the way companies are dropping these V6's with over 400HP that have mid 4 sec 0-60 and high 3 sec 0-60 is very impressive. I say we start recording some of these races to show people we aren't nothing to be played with lol.

[mikedamageinc]

The muscle cars are heavy too but still several hundred less, especially the newest Camaro and Mustang have dropped some weight. I saw somewhere the quickest M56 was 12.9? Camaros are consistently 12s stock and the newest auto has a few 11.9s on record.

The M56 is no slouch and will continue to surprise people no doubt. Even underrated will blow others away, but many others are underrated too. I think late reactions and bad launches on others part may lead to false results. Usually if the other car stomps it and i wasn't ready, I don't even bother trying to play catch up because compared to a real race you already wasted a second or two which is huge in a drag race.

[reggiebrown40]

The Challenger is the same class as Camaro, etc which I was confused by your original statement.

The hellcat is a supercharged v8, non hellcat are not, that is "lower settings" without supercharger, which there are several v8s in the Chrysler cars.

Mustang and Camaro v8s are mid 400hp with well under 4k# while the m56 is low 400 and just over 4k, stock anyways, so unless the other driver just sucks, the numbers don't favor the M, especially without the ability to launch.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to bash here, just want to get to the root of it.

Except the M56 rolled out of the factory with 370-380 RWHP STOCK which puts it solidly in the 440-450 HP range. The newer big 3 "Muscle cars" are all close to 4,000 lbs as well. We also make ALOT more low-midrange torque than the 5.0/6.1/6.2/6.4 engines in those models.

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[1080Rider]

I have to say, I'm unimpressed w/ the reported 1/4 mile times of the M37. 14.1 is pretty damned slow since we have 330hp and a 7 speed trani. The BMW 335 only has 300 hp and turns sub 14's, same w/ the WRX. I haven't run any 1/4 miles myself but it seems pretty slow for the hp. I know that the car comes in over 4K lbs, but the BMW isn't far from that... although I guess the 5 series BMW are more in our league since the M's are bigger cars than the 3 series.

[Ilya]

I have to say, I'm unimpressed w/ the reported 1/4 mile times of the M37. 14.1 is pretty damned slow since we have 330hp and a 7 speed trani. The BMW 335 only has 300 hp and turns sub 14's, same w/ the WRX. I haven't run any 1/4 miles myself but it seems pretty slow for the hp. I know that the car comes in over 4K lbs, but the BMW isn't far from that... although I guess the 5 series BMW are more in our league since the M's are bigger cars than the 3 series.

5 series is our competitor, 3 series is 300-400lb lighter and WRX is anywhere from like 500-600lb lighter. Power to weight is different. The M37, for being 3800lb and the M56 for being like 4100 are quick.

[M37xfan]

I have to say, I'm unimpressed w/ the reported 1/4 mile times of the M37. 14.1 is pretty damned slow since we have 330hp and a 7 speed trani. The BMW 335 only has 300 hp and turns sub 14's, same w/ the WRX. I haven't run any 1/4 miles myself but it seems pretty slow for the hp. I know that the car comes in over 4K lbs, but the BMW isn't far from that... although I guess the 5 series BMW are more in our league since the M's are bigger cars than the 3 series.

5 series is our competitor, 3 series is 300-400lb lighter and WRX is anywhere from like 500-600lb lighter. Power to weight is different. The M37, for being 3800lb and the M56 for being like 4100 are quick.

I agree with Ilya. You have to note that the bmw 335 is a turbo and depending on the 5 series bmw it is running a twin turbo!!

[1080Rider]

5 series is our competitor, 3 series is 300-400lb lighter and WRX is anywhere from like 500-600lb lighter. Power to weight is different. The M37, for being 3800lb and the M56 for being like 4100 are quick.

I agree my car is quick, w/ another 100 hp the M56 are downright fast. I was just surprised that the M37 doesn't turn in faster 1/4 times. No matter, I'm hoping to do some track days this spring, turning is more fun than sprints anyways

[walt1227]

By the way according to the specs the M56 has Curb weight: 4,028 lbs. I removed my spare tire, lighter wheels, and lighter exhaust so mine sits somewhere in the 3900 lb range. Not much but it does make some difference. Think I reduced about 100-150 lbs. It sure is lighter in the back end and she will fish tail all day with traction off and burns the tires with it on. Once I change out the suspension components it will be even lighter.

[Ilya]

By the way according to the specs the M56 has Curb weight: 4,028 lbs. I removed my spare tire, lighter wheels, and lighter exhaust so mine sits somewhere in the 3900 lb range. Not much but it does make some difference. Think I reduced about 100-150 lbs. It sure is lighter in the back end and she will fish tail all day with traction off and burns the tires with it on. Once I change out the suspension components it will be even lighter.

Nice. Unfortunately the X/AWD is 4,224 lbs. What a pig lol.