So I drove a Civic....

[hannibal]

I think Honda made variable timing and lift WORK. Sure others had tried it, but Honda brought the technology from the NSX to an under $20k car. Thats impressive IMO.

As for the 120hp/L of the F20, you'll have to search hard to find another production car sold in the US that can beat that number.

[HashiriyaS14]

TVR Speed 12. 7.7L, made over 1000WHP (they don't have an exact number because it broke a 1000WHP dyno). With the restrictor plate in place, it still made 840ish BHP.TVR Speed 8. 4.1-4.5L, made about 550HP if I recall, varied depending on the car it was in.

They don't make either one anymore, though.

And what are you getting tired of correcting me about? The last thing I recall you "correcting" me on ended up with you being unequivocably wrong when I quite clearly demonstrated that the supra was in fact rice, by ANY definition.

The Speed 12 specs that I found here: http://www.21stcentury.co.uk/c...2.asp

It says 800hp from a 7.7L V12. This is 103hp/liter. All that matters is what these engines can make in PRODUCTION TRIM, because otherwise we could go including wild NA versions of production engines, like the Formula Atlantic 4AGE, which would just be retarded.

Which, for the curious, would be 150hp/liter (1.6L, 240hp)

If you can find me specs on this "Speed 8", I'd be glad to take a look at them.

Again, I wasn't trying to assert that there was NEVER any production car that bested the S2000's numbers, but it is still recognized as the mass-production benchmark (excluding rotaries). You also mentioned that the Elise was higher, which is most definitely not the case.

Oh, and I don't recall having been wrong in the Supra thread.

[hannibal]

^ LOL!

[InsanityInc]

The Speed 12 specs that I found here: http://www.21stcentury.co.uk/c...2.asp

It says 800hp from a 7.7L V12. This is 103hp/liter. All that matters is what these engines can make in PRODUCTION TRIM, because otherwise we could go including wild NA versions of production engines, like the Formula Atlantic 4AGE, which would just be retarded.

Which, for the curious, would be 150hp/liter (1.6L, 240hp)

If you can find me specs on this "Speed 8", I'd be glad to take a look at them.

Again, I wasn't trying to assert that there was NEVER any production car that bested the S2000's numbers, but it is still recognized as the mass-production benchmark (excluding rotaries). You also mentioned that the Elise was higher, which is most definitely not the case.

Oh, and I don't recall having been wrong in the Supra thread.

That's with the restrictor plate on, as they originally used the engine for racing which required one. When they took it off and tuned the engine for production, they had no idea how much power it made because it literally broke a 1000whp dyno. It broke the machine. Then they ran the car like that and it did 0-60 in under 3 seconds.

http://www.iol.ie/~donohoer/0TVR_Speed_ ... su....html

If you want more sources, just google it and look around. It's pretty commonly known.

The speed 8 has been in use for a while, but the more highly tuned recent versions of it before they stopped production made over 500BHP.

And I'm pretty sure when you stopped responding and everyone ended up agreeing with me except for one person that made you wrong.

[JimmyMethod]

My mistake, I was thinking of the B18C- from the GSR. The B16A is the good top end for the 1.6 liter B-series.And yes, there was a B20 in the older Prelude Si - Late 80s early 90s.The 2nd to last gen prelude is when they switched over to the H-series.

One of my friends dropped it in his Del Sol (and blew it a few weeks later).

[HashiriyaS14]

That's with the restrictor plate on, as they originally used the engine for racing which required one. When they took it off and tuned the engine for production, they had no idea how much power it made because it literally broke a 1000whp dyno. It broke the machine. Then they ran the car like that and it did 0-60 in under 3 seconds.

http://www.iol.ie/~donohoer/0TVR_Speed_ ... su....html

If you want more sources, just google it and look around. It's pretty commonly known.

The speed 8 has been in use for a while, but the more highly tuned recent versions of it before they stopped production made over 500BHP.

Ok, we're getting off the subject, so I'll make the following points:

A.) I never said there was NO production car that had a better hp/displacement ratio than the S2k did, so I don't see how it's worth your while to continue to mount an increasingly-complex argument about how a non-production model TVR engine bested 120hp/liter. It's not relevant.

B.) You used the ratio from the 2.2L S2000 engine, which doesn't make any sense. Either you were unaware there was a 2.0L with the same power output, or you were just intentionally trying to slant the argument. Neither of these options looks too good....

C.) You said that the Elise has a better ratio, and you were incorrect. You also asserted that lots of exotics had a better ratio, which is also not the case, or at least you have yet to prove that it's the case.

And I'm pretty sure when you stopped responding and everyone ended up agreeing with me except for one person that made you wrong.

Really? Is that so? Well, it so happens that I just pulled that thread up in a search, and so here's a link so everyone can go re-read it. I encourage everyone to go browse through it one more time, just for kicks:

zer...age=1

I didn't see many people agreeing with you, but I did see the following, after my departure:

-Veriest repeatedly tearing you a new one every 3-4 posts

-People accusing you of ruining other threads on our fine forums, and even of repeatedly dogging a moderator.

-Numerous well-respected and long-standing NICO members disagreeing with you, often forcefully, including moderators.

-Looks to me that you had a couple of recurring supporters there, and by "a couple" I do mean two.

I'm not terribly big on vendettas, you see. I already have more than enough real-life arch-nemesi that I needn't waste my time with the online variety. Thus, I'd appreciate it if you didn't continue picking fights all the time. I'll bury the hatchet if you agree to calm the hell down.

[chandler]

yeah the 3rd gen prelude had a b20a, its not the same engine as the other b series, you cant swap heads on it and such as the b20b

[Fenvy]

blah blah blah

more flaming!11111111111 more trollinggggg

[Eddie]

I love my crx si I used to have. The only reason I don't have it any more is because I totaled it. I did the cheap ZC engine swap with intake, header, and exhaust. It was very fun to drive, but did sound like a donky fart. I still would like to have another one, but it could never replace my 240. I can't stand front wheel drive now.

[mikerbike]

VTEC isn't copied by everyone. Despite popular belief, VTEC is very ****ing far from the first example of variable valve timing. Ferrari was the first to use it if I recall, and toyota had it before honda.

When did Ferarri have variable valve timing? When did toyota have it? Honda introduced it in 1989.