Sigh... my California smog story

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zer0c123
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At my last smog check, I failed twice. The first test was from high Nox, so I replaced a faulty egr-bpt. During the 2nd test at the same shop, everything passed except my timing was 9 BTDC when the spec was +-20 btdc. Smog tech comes up to me and says "WHAT DID YOU DO YOUR CAR, HUH?!" I told him i never touched the distributor, so he goes back to talk to the other smog tech. A few minutes later the other smog tech (proabably the owner) comes up to me and says sorry they can't pass me b/c of the timing; however, I just need to go get it adjusted and come back for a free retest. I left totally confused, because on the first test my timing was 20 and 3 days later it reads 9.

Therefore, I head over to a mechanic recommended by a friend to check my timing. The mechanic checks the timing and confirmed that it was indeed 9 btdc. I ask him to correct it, but he was only able to get 23, because now the distributor adjustment was maxed out. He suggested that I am off a tooth or my timing chain is stretched. Also, he assured me that the guys at the smog station that I went were not messing with me, because he knows them. He give me his business card with a written note on the back addressed to the 2 smog techs that he adjusted the idle to 23. Therefore, I go back for the retest and pass.That was 2 years ago and I was never able to figure out how the hell my tming could be at 9. I posted on the forums and most people say... hey it happens just retime the motor.

So recently, I finally figured it all out. My cars idle was oringally stuck at 1200 rpm. because my idle screw on the IACV was stripped. Last week, I bought a timing light and got a iacv with an unstripped adjustment screw from a junk yard. After the install, I adjust the rpm to 700 and decided to check my timing. It came out to be about 31 btdc, which really had me confused for a few minutes. The distributor position was at full advance from the last time it was adjusted to 23 btdc to meet the smog requirment and was never touched from that point. I then realized that it was because my base idle was changed. I adjust the timing back to 20 and the bolts to distrubutor show that there is plenty of adjustment room left.

So what I think happened at my last smog check was that smog tech didn't even check my timing for the first test. Maybe the guy forget or was being lazy to save time. :slap: It is possible the smog tech didn't want to check, because the emissions portion failed. However, I don't think the smog tech knows the emissions results until all checks have been entered and the computer ouputs the paper work. Also, it never occurred to me that the idle being off would affect the ignition timing. :tisk:


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Did you put the car into Base timing mode? To properly set timing the TPS needs to be unplugged. Engine speed and a few other factors will self adjust the timing unless it is clamped by the computer. Just a thought.

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Are the California emissions tests performed by the state or private garages? If done by the state, I can understand the smog testers not understanding or caring about causes for failing. But if the tests are done by private authorized vendors, then it sounds like you should choose a different tester for the next time and another mechanic.

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Id ask for a pre-test next time you go in. I'm sure theirs some kind of smog nazi penalty for failing 3 time in a row. Also bubba there private company that are state certified to do smogs.

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FlatBlackIan wrote:Did you put the car into Base timing mode? To properly set timing the TPS needs to be unplugged. Engine speed and a few other factors will self adjust the timing unless it is clamped by the computer. Just a thought.
Yea I did. Also, I've watched a few smog techs check the timing on my car in the past and they never pull the tps.
Zydeco wrote:Id ask for a pre-test next time you go in. I'm sure theirs some kind of smog nazi penalty for failing 3 time in a row. Also bubba there private company that are state certified to do smogs.
The thing about the pre-test is they can cost $20-$49 and most places will give you a free retest anyway.
Bubba1 wrote:Are the California emissions tests performed by the state or private garages? If done by the state, I can understand the smog testers not understanding or caring about causes for failing. But if the tests are done by private authorized vendors, then it sounds like you should choose a different tester for the next time and another mechanic.
Private garages and certified by state. Also, they have tons of undercover agents bringing cars to the smog shops that definitely won't pass. The smog shop that I mentioned in this thread got popped several times by undercover agents b/c the shop passed a car that was sure to fail. Another interesting thing is the shop has the highest amount of 4-5 star reviews on yelp :confused: .


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