Should I put on a wing?

[PalmerWMD]

I would like a spoiler on my S13, a functional one (!) ,but I am not sure if' it'll ruin the cars clean lines

This is what my car looks like right now:http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....ser=8

The main reason I am thinking of one is in the last couple of days the car feel light above 90 mph, especially 100 and very especially 110 (raced a 350Z today, dead even at all speeds)

Maybe I am expecting too much (my other car being a Q45 a known high speed demon) but I can tell the S13 still pulls so hard at 100 mph, it would be a shame to limit it's use at higher speeds by it feeling loose.

Any input on what kind of spoilers are out there ( especially from NICO sponsors) that are fully functional in creating downforce?

Thanks!...

[rousie13]

Is that duck tape where the rear sidemarker used to be? If it is, that's JDM tyte. lol

[PalmerWMD]

It is but I got the sidelights now to put in..:oface

[driftaholic]

i dont think anything that's functional would look good on that car the way it is now.it would just look ricy imo

[Altiman94]

You better not put any sort of wing on that car. It is clean, and it shoudl stay that way

[jdmfreak]

SEARCH!!! j/k

Do you plan on repainting the car? IDK. All I can say right now is dont get one thats too big. I believe ADR makes some good wings. IDK if any sponsor sells them though.

Ill get back to you later with another company or 2.

[PantherRacer]

get a one deck drift wing I would say, as long as you know it's functional you KNOW it's not rice JSP GT BLADE WING http://www.jspamerica.comROTORA 3-D GRAND TURISMO WING http://www.rotora.com

[AZhitman]

Fred - That loose feeling above 100 will NOT be remedied by a wing. Most likely it has more to do with the front end, and the air creating lift under the nose.

Your car being a coupe will require the wing to be well up into the airflow, which places it AT LEAST a foot above the decklid (anything less is a paperweight), and then you're gonna be looking pretty goofy.

There's simply not an attractive wing out there that is functional for high-speed stability that looks good. Sad truth.

Watched a great show about this on one of the cable car shows, they put numerous cars into wind tunnels. Most stock wiongs created no downforce, some actually created LIFT, and all resulted in + weight and + drag. The ONLY ones that showed any appreciable result UNDER 100mph were the exotics and the Superbird. And those worked in conjunction with the rest of the aero design.

You'd be better off lowering the CG and continuing with your suspension upgrades.

[BadMojo]

The ONLY ones that showed any appreciable result UNDER 100mph were the exotics and the Superbird. And those worked in conjunction with the rest of the aero design.

Heh...I sure do love the Superbird. It's like a car cross-bred with an F14.

On the topic of wings, I remember reading somewhere about the big basket handle wing on the Dodge SRT-4. When pressed, the engineers said that the big old wing provides *some* stability at insanely high speeds (over 130mph, I believe), but the response seemed oddly half-hearted. Chalk it up to marketing winning over engineering I guess.

The wings on WRC rally cars are functional, but freakin' gigantic and funky looking as hell. I think this would ruin the lines of the car. Maybe a little bit.

Edit: The Corona sticker might look nice though.

[silkk]

get a bomex wangman style one

[SHIEF]

No wing.

[whiterps13]

that subie wing is pretty hot. i remember dave coleman spewing about that wing in his editorial in scc. i think it was called the origen of rice, and he predicted that being a civic style wing soon.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

I dont know man, my s13 is damn tight at high speeds. My car came factory with no wing, but I put a firebird one on (im a sucker for knight rider), I havent really noticed a difference, but then again it was really tight before too and i havent spent much time up in that speed region lately. it actually looks really good and im debating wether or not i should paint it body color as opposed to black (black actually matches my rocker panels, mirrors, and tint)

check it out at my cardomain page http://www.cardomain.com/id/papasmurf2k3

[nlzmo400r]

that lifting is coming from the front of the car , not the back

[jdmfreak]

Id definately rock that subie wing on my Max.

[Dattebayo]

Im all for wings. I say u put two on the sides and do a low altitude fly-by at all the meets in the future. Then you could land and toss your NICO hat into the crowd...

[916drifter]

would canards stop the lift in the front?

[Kaioshin1982]

you should put a wing on ur hood since it sounds like the front lifts up due to the wind :oface

[Bubba1]

Fred. If you're that concerned about high speed stability, you might consider lowering the car instead of adding a wing to the deck lid. Might sacrifice a little ride quality but less air will go underneath the car which is probably more your problem. Unless you want to invest thousands in wind tunnel testing, I wouldn't waste money on aftermarket wings. Besides being ugly and attracting nothing but teenaged boys, it'll more llikely hurt performance/stability/mileage rather than improve it. Remember a wing has to be at the perfect height/shape/location, and most importantly correct angle, which is unique for every car, in order to be effective. If any one of these items are incorrect, you'll more than likely give yourself more of handicap than an advantage. Food for thought.

[AZhitman]

^ Correct.

I'd bet that on a S13 coupe, there's VERY little airflow 6" above the decklid anyway, and if it is, it's likely going the OPPOSITE direction (swirling towards the back glass).

[Nismo_Freak]

Fred, I used to have this problem on my S14... at around 120mph the car felt very unstable. So I dropped the front about .5" more, and it smoothed out considerably, it felt stable all the way till 130+.

One thing you can do would be the addition of some sort of front air dam. Cheapest method is the home depot method, which actually isn't that bad looking. You use the garden trim (plastic stuff, black) and rivet/screw it into the front bumper.

[BadMojo]

Unless you want to invest thousands in wind tunnel testing, I wouldn't waste money on aftermarket wings. Besides being ugly and attracting nothing but teenaged boys, it'll more llikely hurt performance/stability/mileage rather than improve it.

I can't even begin to imagine how much money Subaru spent on the wing on the 2004 Subaru Impreza WRC wing. I wouldn't be shocked if it were tens of thousands. Hell, they'll probably spend more money and change it again if they see someone else come up with a better idea.

It's too bad stock 240SX's weren't meant to go 130mph+, Nissan might have done some of the hard work for us.

[Nismo_Freak]

I can't even begin to imagine how much money Subaru spent on the wing on the 2004 Subaru Impreza WRC wing. I wouldn't be shocked if it were tens of thousands. Hell, they'll probably spend more money and change it again if they see someone else come up with a better idea.

It's too bad stock 240SX's weren't meant to go 130mph+, Nissan might have done some of the hard work for us.

240's are very aerodynamic, but have very little in the way of downforce. Very very very few streetable cars have measureable downforce.

But you can read all of what I just said above.

[BadMojo]

When you say 130+mph, you mean it didn't get floaty at all? I wonder at what speed things would start getting scary?

Was downforce the issue with the early Audi TT's before they got that little lip thing at the back? I remember reading about some really unfortunate incidents at *very* high speeds.

[Nismo_Freak]

When you say 130+mph, you mean it didn't get floaty at all? I wonder at what speed things would start getting scary?

Was downforce the issue with the early Audi TT's before they got that little lip thing at the back? I remember reading about some really unfortunate incidents at *very* high speeds.

No it was very smooth at ~130mph, I don't know how fast the car was actually going because my speedo runs out at 120, but I had it pegged for a solid 300 - 400 rpm.

People in the UK book them for 150+ in modded form and don't complain too much about instability. It's all in air management, there isn't significant downforce in a 240 so the underdraft of air isn't very unsettling at speed unless the front is elevated.

[BadMojo]

That's good to know. Now, if only I could get my S13 to go 130+mph.

[MainEvent212]

eh...i'm thinking of getting a front air diffuser...would that help?

[drifter_for_life06]

Quote »"Fred - That loose feeling above 100 will NOT be remedied by a wing. Most likely it has more to do with the front end, and the air creating lift under the nose."[/quote]

:Werd

[Nismo_Freak]

eh...i'm thinking of getting a front air diffuser...would that help?

Yep.

[Dattebayo]

I'd like something for my silvia front, too. Not just for show but ive been up to 120+ in my s13 and it does get floaty. I gotta see what the silvia front does to it.

But really, the front is way to high and it looks like it needs some kind of lip for the front.