Seriously, WTF is California Doing?

[smockers83]

Alright, I'm sick of the happy cows come from California bulls***. And now California is sponsoring TV shows to promote California and their locally grown products. Does everyone else around the country see these commercials?

California is basically bankrupt. Why is it spending more money on things that are already wasteful?

California farmers have their irrigation subsidized so much so that it's essentially free. Without this free irrigation, California wouldn't be nearly as arable as it is, which is a huge waste of resources. It's a huge waste of water and a waste of money. All the s*** that's grown (and milk) in California can be grown much cheaper elsewhere in the country. In fact, it already is. California is trying to become the breadbasket and dairy capital of the country. Why?

And people wonder why they have water problems.

[dusred]

Raise the taxes. That's how to get California out of the bind it's in .

But seriously, Cali does have some of the best produce and it is an excellent place for dairy's but the problem is that the cost of living is TOO DAMN HIGH because they TAX THE a** OFF OF EVERYTHING.

California needs some serious tax cuts and we need to get all the damn illegals out of there and toss them back into their own country so they can quit using up our resources.

/rant

[S133P3R]

Raise the taxes. That's how to get California out of the bind it's in .

California needs some serious tax cuts and we need to get all the damn illegals out of there and toss them back into their own country so they can quit using up our resources.

/rant

are you serioulsy contradicting yourself?andyeah! lets send the majority of the labor for the agriculture industry and all the fresh water that nourishes it back to mexico!

why are you not presidente already?

[dusred]

are you serioulsy contradicting yourself?

This: mean's I'm being sarcastic.

Quote »andyeah! lets send the majority of the labor for the agriculture industry[/quote]With the 10% unemployment rate in California I'll bet there are alot of Americans that are out of any kind of work while there are still illegals with jobs and free health care.

Quote » and all the fresh water that nourishes it back to mexico! [/quote]If it's here illegally, so be it.

Quote »why are you not presidente already?[/quote]It's spelled "President". Spell check works great.

Well, I'm only 18 or else maybe I would be.

[S133P3R]

it was a question of contradiction... not an attack... i dont know why the smiley was there, sorry.ill just leave this thread alone, have FUN!

[dusred]

it was a question of contradiction... not an attack... i dont know why the smiley was there, sorry.ill just leave this thread alone, have FUN!

[Cold_Zero]

Smocky,I am sure the advertisement money came from a farming coop or an industry lobby group.

But to answer your question, yes we see those commercials in Indiana. We all know that happy cows that make cheese come from Wisconsin or Switzerland (if you want the best cheese).

But basically, your right, California rarely ever 'gets it.'

[Jacko3]

California---the state that produced at least 2 republican Presidents since 1970---Nixon and Regan, and we wonder why they have a budget deficit. LMAO!

[dusred]

Get a grip, Jacko and think before you post.

[Jacko3]

Yes papi.

[szh]

California---the state that produced at least 2 republican Presidents since 1970---Nixon and Regan, and we wonder why they have a budget deficit. LMAO!

Don't forget the two worst high-spending-the-future Democrats of all time: Feinstein and Boxer.

I shudder to think of what would happen if Feinstein ever became Prez ... she has ambitions of this, most unfortunately.

Z

[smockers83]

Pelosi is also from California. Yikes.

[Armelius]

Alright, I'm sick of the happy cows come from California bulls***. And now California is sponsoring TV shows to promote California and their locally grown products. Does everyone else around the country see these commercials?

California is basically bankrupt. Why is it spending more money on things that are already wasteful?

California farmers have their irrigation subsidized so much so that it's essentially free. Without this free irrigation, California wouldn't be nearly as arable as it is, which is a huge waste of resources. It's a huge waste of water and a waste of money. All the s*** that's grown (and milk) in California can be grown much cheaper elsewhere in the country. In fact, it already is. California is trying to become the breadbasket and dairy capital of the country. Why?

And people wonder why they have water problems.

I am not sure of that. Need those farms and cows in California. Californians paid plenty to get that water delivered to farms and cities. So you just can't stop it.

[smockers83]

I am not sure of that. Need those farms and cows in California. Californians paid plenty to get that water delivered to farms and cities. So you just can't stop it.

When was the last time you knew what you were talking about?

You can just stop it by making the farmers pay up and remove the subsidies. Then we'll see how many cows and vegetables come from California. Hmm, barely any. But it would free up billions of dollars in their budget.

Plus, by the time Californian milk hits the Midwest, it won't stay as long as milk coming directly from the Midwest. I'll buy milk from Midwestern cattle before I even dare buy some from California. It's almost like California is advertising it as a luxury milk because of the sole fact it comes from California.

[Jacko3]

Well said!

I had no idea California had Milk and Cows. I was thinking Wisconsin, with their cheese, would also be impressive producers of cow milk. Do they even know in California, the placement of the udder on a Coooooowwwww? Will the milk be freeeeeeeeshhhhh when it hits the east coast or am I gonna be mad after drinking west coast milk?

[smockers83]

I didn't either until the past couple of years or so.

The Central Valley Project in California is the biggest federally-operated irrigation project in the country.

Will you be mad? Maybe when you have a gallon from a Midwestern state and a gallon from California and the one from California goes bad before the one from the Midwest. However, most places in the Midwest support local farmers so we fortunately don't see a whole lot of this stuff advertised by California.

The only good thing that I know that comes out of California's produce is wine.

[Armelius]

When was the last time you knew what you were talking about?

You can just stop it by making the farmers pay up and remove the subsidies. Then we'll see how many cows and vegetables come from California. Hmm, barely any. But it would free up billions of dollars in their budget.

Plus, by the time Californian milk hits the Midwest, it won't stay as long as milk coming directly from the Midwest. I'll buy milk from Midwestern cattle before I even dare buy some from California. It's almost like California is advertising it as a luxury milk because of the sole fact it comes from California.

There is plenty of good milk coming from California. Alta-Dena probably was the best. There also used to be an Agriculture Adjustment Act of 1933. But milk demand has probably been inelastic over the years and will stay that way until those "Got Milk" campaigns come back.

Farmers in other parts of the world get government subsidies, why shouldn't Californians? Iowa probably gets the most of all yet they are the most retarded? Why is that?

[smockers83]

That's fine if they can produce good milk. That's not my argument nor my issue. My issue is the heavy subsidization involved while they are in budget crisis and they're wasting money advertising it.

Farming is one of the most subsidized industries in the world. I would like to see those subsidies come down as well. The milk part, I'm not sure is so heavily subsidized though, the subsidized part was towards the new things California is starting to advertise.

Other commercials that are getting to me are the high fructose corn syrup ones.

[Armelius]

That's fine if they can produce good milk. That's not my argument nor my issue. My issue is the heavy subsidization involved while they are in budget crisis and they're wasting money advertising it.

Farming is one of the most subsidized industries in the world. I would like to see those subsidies come down as well. The milk part, I'm not sure is so heavily subsidized though, the subsidized part was towards the new things California is starting to advertise.

Other commercials that are getting to me are the high fructose corn syrup ones.

Doesn't it have to be subsidized? I mean look if it wasn't subsidized they would be taxed out of existence.

Sort of like the rest of those 501c tax exempt corporations. They should be taxed too right? Otherwise they are being subsidized.

[smockers83]

Why does it have to be subsidized? The reason it is subsidized is to make it more competitive with competition elsewhere that can produce the same thing more cheaply.

501(c)(3) (non-profit organization) requirementshttp://www.irs.gov/charities/c....html

They aren't subsidized because they don't receive financial assistance from the government, nothing is paid to them. Just because they aren't taxed doesn't mean they're subsidized.

[Armelius]

Why does it have to be subsidized? The reason it is subsidized is to make it more competitive with competition elsewhere that can produce the same thing more cheaply.

501(c)(3) (non-profit organization) requirementshttp://www.irs.gov/charities/c....html

They aren't subsidized because they don't receive financial assistance from the government, nothing is paid to them. Just because they aren't taxed doesn't mean they're subsidized.

A subsidy would be in order to produce something that is in much need without making it a requirement.

Why would 501c3 need to get financial assistance in order to be taxed? If they are getting a free ride then it's just as if they are getting a subsidy.

[smockers83]

No, a subsidy is paid out as financial assistance. Agriculture is heavily subsidized and has price floors in place, which creates surplus supply. The government then has to purchase all of this excess supply and then stores it. If something was in desperate need, it would be produced anyway as there is a large market for it. If it can't be produced, it can be imported.

Never did I say a NPO would need to receive a subsidy in order to be taxed. Learn to read.

[Armelius]

No, a subsidy is paid out as financial assistance. Agriculture is heavily subsidized and has price floors in place, which creates surplus supply. The government then has to purchase all of this excess supply and then stores it. If something was in desperate need, it would be produced anyway as there is a large market for it. If it can't be produced, it can be imported.

Never did I say a NPO would need to receive a subsidy in order to be taxed. Learn to read.

They aren't subsidized because they don't receive financial assistance from the government, nothing is paid to them. Just because they aren't taxed doesn't mean they're subsidized.

Maybe you can clarify that for me.

If the government is looking the other way it sure sounds like something is done while others pay up.

If a 501c3 group has cows on their "free" property and a farmer pays for each head of cattle every year and taxes on his farm then someone is getting something for nothing.

I am almost about ready to make a USSR in the 20's comparison but I am holding myself back.

[breadbox]

Do it, it might help my other thread.

[Armelius]

Do it, it might help my other thread.

You still have to fix that quote you did on me.

[EmKayThree]

You rant on and on about subsidies for the dairy industry in California, then do something about it, quit the QQ. Write a letter to a congress person to see if you can actually change the situation. Nothings ever going to change if you just sit there.

But I am actually interested to see what's up with this, there has to be some reason why California got involved in the dairy business.

[smockers83]

Umm, yeah, I'm going to write an email to a California state representative when I'm not even from California. Most of the time, emails are filtered by zip code, so if I'm not from the zip code that the representative is from that I choose, he won't get my email.

[smockers83]

They aren't subsidized because they don't receive financial assistance from the government, nothing is paid to them. Just because they aren't taxed doesn't mean they're subsidized.

Maybe you can clarify that for me.

What is there to clarify?

If a 501c3 group has cows on their "free" property and a farmer pays for each head of cattle every year and taxes on his farm then someone is getting something for nothing.

What do NPOs have to do with for-profit farming?

[liquid_cool]

Cal-ee-forn-ee-a, is having a water shortage becouse of a friggin 1 inch fish found in a resevor in the northern part of the state...the enviro-Mental nuts have the state by the balls under some leftist enviro law ..making them unable to turn the pumps on to send the water south for fear of killing said 1 inch fish they we put there anyways as alge controll...this is so funny a story...i hope they all die of thirst in Cal-ee-forn-ee-a..lol

[EmKayThree]

Umm, yeah, I'm going to write an email to a California state representative when I'm not even from California. Most of the time, emails are filtered by zip code, so if I'm not from the zip code that the representative is from that I choose, he won't get my email.

In that case can you write a letter to your representative so he/she will be aware of the situation, and this will get their attention and possible interest to take action? Maybe they might possibly talk to their boss (who that is, I'm not sure). Eventually word will spread, and if enough state representatives start complaining about it, something is bound to happen.