Sell Your 240 And Get A Eclipse!!!

[TrueSlide]

Well anyways this guy is posting posts on this one forum talking about how eclipses own every car and dominate the import world. They are trying to say with $2500 dollars worth of mods you can lay 330HP to the wheels in one, and that the stock motor can handel 22PSI of boost, with no upgrades. WTF is up with people having to talk **** like their is so superior. If $2500 would put 330HP to the wheels, screw that Im buyin a eclipse. Thats a hell of alot cheaper then the SR swap. And if a eclipse turbo motor can handel 22PSI in stock form, wtf is nissan doing wrong with theirs. I mean the sr can handel 14 PSI, thats **** compared to mitsubishi's 22PSI. Anyways I got a kick out of it..

Dont sell your 240, we have so much more potential/handeling whatever over the eclipses.

[Aries]

It is true though...

An Eclipse can go fast for much less money.But the handling of a RWD car is just so much more fun...

[Daunttless]

An eclipse can go much faster with less money, but it will self-destruct. : ) A major problem that DSM engines tend to have is their unreliability. You also have to take into account initial cost. Hypothetically they buy a 1st gen GSX or GST, well they're already spending several thousand more than you for a S13 of some sort. You take that several thousand and you can afford a SR20. Obviously they aren't counting labor at 2500 dollars, so you get to add 2500 dollars worth of performance parts. If you do the work yourself or even with labor cost, you come out roughly the same, and at 2500 bucks you can push about 280 to the wheels safely. The real kicker is when their 4g self destructs at 22psi and you drive away smiling.

[I H8 UR DSM]

an eclipse can not handle 22psi stock. It needs atleast upgraded fuel, and hopefully intercooler..i can run 22psi on my stock SR too...and im not gonna get crankwalk doing it.....DSM's blow up all the time...yea its a lot cheaper to mod them...and they are awd ....but they are a dime a dozen...if your looking for a cheap car to make fast, then by all means get a Talon....be a sheep like the rest...have fun.

[pancito]

i was a DSM owner before my 240sx and let me tell you they are 2 very different cars all by them selfs.

If your new to DSM and think that with with 2500 is going to take you to 11's you are wrong, it is not a bad engine at all but you have to pamper it some.

1st Gen's they are getting old, some may be taken care off very good some where abuse, when you buy one is very difficult to really know about the car, it may withstand 300 HP, and be a daily driver, or it can crap out on you like no other.

Need more info, ask

[Nismo_Freak]

I just owned a DSM (Talon AWD Turbo)... with my all-motor KA. 2 car lengths by 100 mph

Forgot to add... 4G63s have T25s stock... now way in hell it could push 22 psi without upgrading to a 16G or a 20G.

[biggie]

Friend has a '01 Eclipse GT spyder. I like it but it doesn't feel like your in a sports car, the FWD thing ruins it. And it doesn't handle that well, especially for that much money. And walking dog is cool---walking a crank is not.

Jesse,What are you talking about DSM's are AWD---not all of them.

[12second240]

I was originally looking into a 2nd generation dsm, most likely the talon, i have to say i think they are beautiful cars, but they are so much more then a nice s13, sure they come stock turbo with 220hp, and are faster, but those cars especially the 2nd gen. have so much problems i have read about, with clutch walk, etc. and for the 22psi in the stock form, thats some serious BS!

[pancito]

Ok to set things straight (not defending anything, just facts like everybody here)

1st Gen Turbos where 14b, 2nd gen received the smaller t25

about stock PSI i don't know about that.

****ty drivers don't mean ****ty cars(once i heard a story of some guy in a DSM, beating vipers and ****, BS??? Maybe, i wasn't there)

1st gen where stronger the the 2g, and didn't had the problem of "Crankwalk" not "clutchwalk".

to me 3g DSM (wich they are not anymore) compared to the previous versions, where somehow the same as S13 to S14 change, they wanted a new market, they don't care about the car or sport enthusiast, they just care about money!!!!

instead of a turbo they get the v6..go figure!!!

[pancito]

Believe me that i don't regret, and don't think about it, when i lost my 2g DSM and bought the 240sx.

for looks you cant go wrong with a 2g, but there is something about the simplicity of the lines and design of my S14 that i wouldn't change for nothing right now....

[EZcheese15]

Ok to set things straight (not defending anything, just facts like everybody here)

1st Gen Turbos where 14b, 2nd gen received the smaller t25

about stock PSI i don't know about that.

****ty drivers don't mean ****ty cars(once i heard a story of some guy in a DSM, beating vipers and ****, BS??? Maybe, i wasn't there)

1st gen where stronger the the 2g, and didn't had the problem of "Crankwalk" not "clutchwalk".

to me 3g DSM (wich they are not anymore) compared to the previous versions, where somehow the same as S13 to S14 change, they wanted a new market, they don't care about the car or sport enthusiast, they just care about money!!!!

instead of a turbo they get the v6..go figure!!!

1st gen's run 7psi on a 14B stock. 2nd gen's run 14psi on a T25 stock.

[I H8 UR DSM]

Friend has a '01 Eclipse GT spyder. I like it but it doesn't feel like your in a sports car, the FWD thing ruins it. And it doesn't handle that well, especially for that much money. And walking dog is cool---walking a crank is not.

Jesse,What are you talking about DSM's are AWD---not all of them.

i wasnt trying to say they are, but no one that knows about racing get a fwd dsm. The reason for getting them is turbo, and awd. (atleast in the racing scene) Of course gst's are fwd, but who wants one of those?

Yes, they can boost to about 22psi on stock turbo, it isnt BS....just people dont try. My t25 can boost to about 21 psi, then falls down to about 18 or so.....

who said clutchwalk?

dsm's w/ 16g, or 20g, w/ fmic, and fuel run 11s pretty simply. 2nd gens are a little harder cause they are whales.

[TrueSlide]

Hehe, just to get things straight, I wasnt planning on selling my 240, I couldnt make a mistake like that. I believe it has more potential. And that guy said they could run 22PSI on a all stock fuel system crazy ppl in this world!!

IMO I believe that DSM is just out for a trendy look w/ very little performance. Like someone said, dropping the turbo for a v6??

IMO, Nissan is more for the sports enthuisist, I mean how many kids are you gonna see sporting the new 350z?? Young driver + sports car = high insurance, I dont think a kid still in school could afford unless getting help from mommy and daddy.

Just my thoughts!! :icesangel

[89sxRCR]

Eclipses are a dime a dozen around here. My neighbor next door has a 240z, with a chevy v8 swap. Runs about 530 horsepower, the car is cheaper than ****, the swap costs about 4 grand like the sr swap in ours, and the car owns everything with tires around here. In my opinion, older cheaper cars still own, specially ALL 240's.

[12second240]

I said clutch walk, i got my **** messed up, anyways sorry about that

[Mike09]

well i'd rather spend more on my s13 than replacing my motor time and time again because it keeps blowing up on me.

[dcmetro240]

I love my 240 and all, but a friend of mine has a 99 GSX putting down almost 500 at the wheels on his stock bottom end. He has a built ported and polished 1G head, a green turbo, FMIC, Thermal exhaust, and DSM link ecu. It is one sick car another friend of mine an I put together a video of him smoking a corvette here is the link: http://www.streetracing.com/me...t.wmvThats one DSM I wouldn't mind having, but not giving up the 240 for anything.

Oh and he is running about 26 psi on race gas, running 11.6. so anything is possible I'm sure he spent more that 2500 though.

[looksLikeA240]

green's are the **** turbos. very nice.

some things are quite mis understood on this board about dsm's. I shouldnt have sold my galant vr4 (414 0f 2000 imported; 1st gen awd set up), but around columbus ohio there are a million of them. The motors are strong as can be in stock form. Due to the redesign of the US spec 4g63 by chrysler in 1995 the oil squirters were moved and the crankwalk has been an issue in a number of second gens. Especially if a driver gets low on oil pressusre or use bad clutches that put pressure on the crank and bearings when engaged. The internals can easily handle well over 300hp with out getting into the motor at all. For about 2500 dollars you could take your first or second gen, buy a 16g, fuel pump/ injectors, afc, full exhuast and air filter and run 12's easily. Many people have run 12's with the stock 14b turbo that comes on the first gens. The second gens came with the t25 which dies out aroun 15psi. At least around columbus you can purchase great condition first gens with around 70 miles for around 3 grand. So i guess with about 5500 total (car included) you could have easily have a daily driven reliable 12 sec dsm, and not have to worry, except take basic care of the car. But as said before they are a dime a dozen. It's been done a million times. Still fun and fast though. Great in the winter!!

[mars240]

damn yo that is some seroiuse ****!!!:D but still were talkin about having lets say a stock eclipse GS and a stock 240 i ratther have a 240 biger engine and rear wheel drive i bet u ud win with the 240 cause i did not once thats just wut i thinkAnd whos sayin u cant make a 240 go fast if u put the same **** in a 240 i thnk it would go faster

[mars240]

yo since when was there a galant vr4???????????????

[Daunttless]

early 90s, limited production, same engine/suspension as the eclipse GSX.

[EZcheese15]

I love my 240 and all, but a friend of mine has a 99 GSX putting down almost 500 at the wheels on his stock bottom end. He has a built ported and polished 1G head, a green turbo, FMIC, Thermal exhaust, and DSM link ecu. It is one sick car another friend of mine an I put together a video of him smoking a corvette here is the link: http://www.streetracing.com/me...t.wmvThats one DSM I wouldn't mind having, but not giving up the 240 for anything.

Oh and he is running about 26 psi on race gas, running 11.6. so anything is possible I'm sure he spent more that 2500 though.

Dude, I don't belive that. I have a friend with a 97 GSX. He has a built bottom end, because there is no way the stock bottom end will handle that much power. He has a calculated (based of 1/4 mile time and weight) 374 HP at all four's. And he's running 28psi on a Frank2 turbo. There is no freaking way a stock 4G63 can support 500 HP to the ground, ESPECIALLY on a GSX. That is lilike 650 hp at the flywheel on stock bottom end. There is NOOO way. By the way, my friend has run 11.8 before on street tires. I would also think 500@wheels would net a better 1/4 than 11.6, but I may be wrong on that.

[pancito]

last time i post about this

http://www.2gnt.com/dcforum/DCForumID31/397.html

(Turbo talk on a Non Turbo page go figure)

The max they talk about is around 400 or 450 HP ( i don't recall if it's WHP or Flywheel HP)

like every production thing built, you will get super freaks (when 99% stock cars run 15.5 those run 15.00 or even 14's in stock form)

and there are lemons,

BTW is this ironic???

I had a 2.0 "neon engine" in my 2g NT DSM, i was going to transplant the block from a stratus to get 2.4 lts. displacement, NOW i have 2.4 lts "truck engine" stock and i want to swap a SR motor with 2.0 displacement... ironic isn't????

[pancito]

BTW IMO

"Jeff99_GS" is the DSM "Dauntless" in that discussion board, he knows his ****!!!

Off topic: Daunt my man, i just say your pic, damn!!! do you look young, with all your knowledge i tought you where a little old man...

and to confirm that said on "the ring" YOU ARE a post whore :ylsuper

[EZcheese15]

last time i post about this

http://www.2gnt.com/dcforum/DCForumID31/397.html

(Turbo talk on a Non Turbo page go figure)

The max they talk about is around 400 or 450 HP ( i don't recall if it's WHP or Flywheel HP)

like every production thing built, you will get super freaks (when 99% stock cars run 15.5 those run 15.00 or even 14's in stock form)

and there are lemons,

BTW is this ironic???

I had a 2.0 "neon engine" in my 2g NT DSM, i was going to transplant the block from a stratus to get 2.4 lts. displacement, NOW i have 2.4 lts stock and i want to swap a SR motor with 2.0 displacement... ironic isn't????

Actually, that's not a bad idea. In fact, I'm on the 4G64 mailing list. For my senior design project in school last fall, we turbo's a 4G64 eclipse (96 GS Spyder). The 4G63 and 4G64 block are identical except that the 4G63 block is milled down 6mm lower than the 4G64 because it has a smaller stroke. Other than that, the block are the same. You can even swap on a DOHC from the 4G63 onto the 4G64, and turbo that, then you'll have a DOHC 4G64T, which is just as strong as any 4G63. The shorter rod:stroke ratio of the 4G64 makes a ton more torque than the 4G63, especially when turbo'd.

[looksLikeA240]

you don't need to make 500hp to run 11's. That guy with the non built bottom end can still run 11's easy in stock form. People around here usually run 11's with around 340hp to the wheels, full interior. The bottom end is good at these levels. remeber dsm awd luanches pull 1.6-1.7 60 fts with street tires.

[I H8 UR DSM]

yea, he doesnt have 500hp...atleast not whp. 500 will have you in the mid to high 10's on a gsx or talon....

green's are good.

but Red's are the **** ; )

then again buschler has a 't3/t4' like turbo that will get you into the low 10's on built block....

[dcmetro240]

if you don't believe me that fine watch the vid, I may be wrong about wheel horsepower but I know it's around 400 maybe more. He is still on his stock bottom end, but he is building a 1g block and adding a red turbo soon. But I know he is def around 400 whp.

[Daunttless]

I'm not a whore, I help people.

Now Freak, he is a whore, has anyone seen a useful Freak post yet?

And yeah, I'm young but talented. : ) Better to deal with a young guy than an old man, we're way more fun and then its not like talking to a superior. : )

[Megaseth]

Eclipses are a dime a dozen around here. My neighbor next door has a 240z, with a chevy v8 swap. Runs about 530 horsepower, the car is cheaper than ****, the swap costs about 4 grand like the sr swap in ours, and the car owns everything with tires around here. In my opinion, older cheaper cars still own, specially ALL 240's.

True dat!!