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The Alaska Daily News doesn't think too much of her.

Acording to the latest polls, neither do most Americans.

http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/555236.html

"Palin's response is the kind of political "big lie" that George Orwell warned against. War is peace. Black is white. Up is down."

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She fits right in with most of the rest of the GOP. Unethical liar.

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I see this as a case where the ends justify the means. If I was Governor and some cop tased his stepson and was getting hammered in his patrol car, and if the man in charge of him didn't relieve him of duty, then yes, I would do whatever was possible to fire him.

Now, if the trooper in question wasn't tasing my relatives, I wouldn't go to the same extremes. Family comes first for me.

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telcoman wrote:The Alaska Daily News doesn't think too much of her.

Acording to the latest polls, neither do most Americans.

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You need to get off the rag, Telco, and wake up to the real world. American's like you don't think much of her. Thank goodness not all Americans are like you.

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Boy Howie,Way to pull out a national rag to try and prove a point.

Hate to burst your bubble, but Palin is very popular with 'The Base' in the Republican party and is doing a very good job in rallying them. When she comes to Indiana, I will snap some pictures for you. I know you are a closet fan.bud

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Too bad it's all for naught.

Most Americans don't think much of her after she showed us that she doesn't belong at the national level. There's no convincing the wingnut "base" about objective reality, though.

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Tel, put down the partisan banner for a moment. Some guy is smacking your sister around and tased an 11-year, fact. You are in a position to exert influence to get that guy yanked off the force, you going to do nothing?

What the people who keep this story alive don't seem to get is the guy deserved to be fired. The fact that she had to put pressure on people to get that done is the problem. Monaghan was asleep at the wheel and deserved to go as well.

I find it a plus that she did what she did, not a minus. If somebody was smacking you around and hitting you with a taser I would try to stop them as well.

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The poor cop who was trained in Martial Arts couldn't handle a little 11 year old so he Tazed him. . . I mean get real!

Mrs. Palin is a no BS politician and that's just exactly what our Nation needs right now.

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ROFL. She is full of BS at this level because she is in over her head. This just adds to the pile of BS to nowhere. She needs to go back to what she is good at - state politics, and she will soon enough.

TMS, despite the situation, she violated the ethics rules. I don't fault her for what she did, but she had to assume there were going to be some consequences if she got caught. There is no reason to lie about the situation. Where is the so-called "straight talk"? Oh yeah, there is none.

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Actually no. Monaghan was an appointed official. As such she could dismiss him for any reason. She had a viable reason in this case but one was not required. Wooten should have been fired from the get go, he wasn't. Those responsible for shirking that responsibility refused to correct that oversight and got the boot.Maybe the people currently entrenched in Washinton are scared Palin might decide they need to go as well. Being held responsible for doing your job performance must scare the hell out of many on both sides of the aisle.

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This exemplifies the differing ideas of leadership. As a leader, if someone isn't doing their job, I gotta remove them, and that seems to be the consensus on the right. The left just has a huge blame game.

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dusred wrote:Mrs. Palin is a no BS politician.
Please explain.

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Just wait until the llamas find out that BO is way outta his league as well.

....of course, batting practice is pretty simple when the pitching machine is turned all the way down to "WUSS".


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As much as I would enjoy getting to say "I told you so" to the Obama people, the destruction his administration would do to the counrty far outweighs that.

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Cold_Zero wrote:Hate to burst your bubble, but Palin is very popular with 'The Base' in the Republican party and is doing a very good job in rallying them.
Hate to burst YOUR bubble, but it appears pretty obvious from polling that this year, "rally the base" isn't going to be an effective strategy for the GOP.

It worked fine in 2000 and 2004, but not this time.

McCain should have picked a centrist, experienced VP like Lieberman or Ridge. He didn't need to lock up the far-right votes, he already had them.


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Cold_Zero wrote:Boy Howie,Way to pull out a national rag to try and prove a point.

Hate to burst your bubble, but Palin is very popular with 'The Base' in the Republican party and is doing a very good job in rallying them. When she comes to Indiana, I will snap some pictures for you. I know you are a closet fan.bud
LOL

The base is shrinking!

Bud, in spite of you and AZ unwilling to accept reality , I think I would enjoy having a beer with both of you.

Provided of course you left your guns locked up at home.

The editoral in the Anchorage Daily News pretty much sums up the true Sarah Palin. She may be a future national politician but she has a lot to learn. She is not ready to go to Washington this year.

Palin does appeal to a small segment but lets face facts. This election is about the economy and the failed policies of the past eight years. The Palin and McCain campaign are a train wreck and most of the undecided voters that are still left realize this. They no longer accept the smears from the Rove playbook.

Whether the Republican party throw out Ayres, Acorn, Rev Wright etc more and more voters are tossing those statements into the "who gives a s#it folder.

People are looking at their 401k plan statements. Come election day they are going to give all or most of the Republicans the heave ho.

One example of the failing McCain message.

Obama has been quite clear for months on just who will see a tax increase.

Only those earning over $250k dollars.

By both he and Palin constantly repeating that Obama wants to raise taxes without being specific, no one is believing him anymore. The poll numbers bear this out.

Obama is the one that looks and talks more presidential.

McCain is not his old self but he has become an angry old man that has failed to address important issues.

He is so desperate now that he will be on Letterman tomorrow night.Keith Olberman is standing by just in case he cancels again at the last minute.

Sorry guys, you are going to have to wait a long time before Republicans will be allowed to return to the White House.

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telcoman wrote:Bud, in spite of you and AZ unwilling to accept reality , I think I would enjoy having a beer with both of you.

Provided of course you left your guns locked up at home.
Something we can agree on. We can meet in New York for a beer, that way we can conceal carry. Sound like a plan?

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HashiriyaS14 wrote:
Hate to burst YOUR bubble, but it appears pretty obvious from polling that this year, "rally the base" isn't going to be an effective strategy for the GOP.

It worked fine in 2000 and 2004, but not this time.

McCain should have picked a centrist, experienced VP like Lieberman or Ridge. He didn't need to lock up the far-right votes, he already had them.
What planet are you living on, Hash? Just because McCain was for the surge in Iraq and for not withdrawing the troops on artificial timelines, does not mean he has or will have the 'Conservative Base' locked up. Remember, this is the guy that pushed for Comprehensive Immigration Reform (McCain Kennedy) when the people of the US were telling their Congressional delegates they wanted to seal the border first and stop the flow of illegals into this country. You obviously dont listen to conservative talk radio and I am not talking about the Irish men and that fat cigar smoking idiot. Conservatives have been very skiddish with the McCain Campaign and perceive that the Republican Party has lost its way.

Sarah Palin makes a huge strive to mend things between he and conservatives, support that he needs. With out 'The Base' John McCain wouldn't even have an 8% deficit in the polls. It would probably be double digits. Do you think Bush would have been elected in 2000 or 2004 running on without massive conservatives support?

And please, I was driving home and I had an epiphany. I was stopped in traffic watching a person get out of their car. In the front of her driveway was an Obama Biden yard sign. She got out of her Land Rover SUV with her Jackie O sunglasses and her perfect hair and that is when it hit me. The majority of people in this country (We the Sheeople) are voting for Barack Obama because it is cool! So on Nov 4, grab your new iPhone and your iPod, hope in your Volkswagon and go vote for Obama. Sorry guys I am not cool enough to own any of those products.Bud

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Cold_Zero wrote:What planet are you living on, Hash? Just because McCain was for the surge in Iraq and for not withdrawing the troops on artificial timelines, does not mean he has or will have the 'Conservative Base' locked up.
It doesn't matter if he's their dream date or not.

What's their alternative, vote for Obama? Not likely. Barr? Nope likely.

Walking to the right/left is for the primaries. In the General Election, you play for the center.


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Because having Nazi Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barrack Obama running this country will result in a Centrist Governance at the Federal Level. I have serious doubts that Obama will be able to stand up to Nazi and Harry or remain a moderate.bud

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Cold_Zero wrote:I have serious doubts that Obama will be able to stand up to Nazi and Harry or remain a moderate.
He doesn't owe her anything.

She's the Speaker of an unpopular Congress while he may very well be a President elected by the largest mandate since Clinton in 1996.

I'm not sure how much longer she'll be speaker anyway, she isn't very well-liked, even by Democrats (outside of California, anyway).

TONS of incoming Democratic legislators will essentially owe their seats to Obama. He'd have carte blanche to do whatever he wants once he gets there, unlike in '92 when Clinton essentially owed HIS seat to a bunch of legislators who had pulled for him.

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Hash, you must have more faith in that arrangement than I do. The one thing I learned with a Republican controlled Congress and President is that it isn't as rosy as one would think. Conservatives had to fight to get their voice heard as in the example of Immigration Reform and 'our party' controlled the government.

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Pelosi wears a jock strap, she doesn't fear Obama.

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Cold_Zero wrote:And please, I was driving home and I had an epiphany. I was stopped in traffic watching a person get out of their car. In the front of her driveway was an Obama Biden yard sign. She got out of her Land Rover SUV with her Jackie O sunglasses and her perfect hair and that is when it hit me. The majority of people in this country (We the Sheeople) are voting for Barack Obama because it is cool! So on Nov 4, grab your new iPhone and your iPod, hope in your Volkswagon and go vote for Obama. Sorry guys I am not cool enough to own any of those products.Bud
Bingo! Obama supporters believe, as most of us do, that it's high time we had a President that isn't White. And Obama is biracial, raised by white grandparents - even better! And he has no American Black heritage - even better! The coolest of cool. AND, he talks SO pretty!

However ... he has no experience and no record of achievement. When Obama supporters are pressed on that issue, they close their eyes and cover their ears. They don't want to know anything about Obama that might tarnish their adoration for him. They don't care where Obama came from, who he worked with, what he did for the first 10 years of his political life. If backed into a corner, they declare that experience and achievement aren't everything; that a President doesn't necessarily need those. When pressed about Obama's first 10 years in politics, they call it mere "association".

It's a very frustrating conversation. They declare that Sarah Palin isn't qualified to be VICE president, yet they refuse to admit that Obama has less experience and fewer achievements and he's running for PRESIDENT!

Obama is cool. The very idea of a biracial, smooth-talking President is cool. That's all that matters.

And, apparently, they must also think the President has no real purpose in this country, even though they blame each and every problem we have on Bush. If they truly thought the Presidency was an important position, they wouldn't support a guy with such lousy credentials.

I think Obama is cool, too. But he's all talk. He's never done anything other than winning elections. He never accomplished anything in the positions he won, nor tried to. He just started running for the next position - 5 campaigns in the past 12 years.

So, it looks like we're gonna elect a guy with no experience for the job. He has no leverage in Congress, so Nancy and Harry will be running the show there. He has no experience running anything but a campaign, so the Executive branch will be run by the people around him. They'll tell him how things will be, because he has no experience with appointments or budgets or foreign affairs. He'll just be the smooth-talking figurehead that no one in power pays any attention to, 'cause he doesn't know where the bodies are buried.

Blah, blah, Obama, blah, blah.

Yeah, a lot of us Republicans are getting angry. We're tired of Democrats covering their eyes and ears and humming to themselves while chanting "Obama is cool, Obama is cool".

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^ I couldn't have said it better myself. What a beautifully-crafted, descriptive missive on the current state of affairs.

Of course, the Leftomatics will automatically assume that my agreement with that post means I'm dead-set in support of J-Mac, while nothing could be further than the truth.

I guess I could put it this way:

When I coached Pop Warner Football, and we were up against a better team, and were being outplayed, I'd often pull my kids in at halftime and say:

"Look, this team may well win the game. BUT, would you rather they get on the bus to go home and not remember you all?

If they're gonna go home with a win, at LEAST bloody their noses so that they EARNED it."

I want Obama to know that while he may very well win the election, he is NOT fooling everyone, he is NOT the best choice for the job, and he is NOT getting carte blance to implement his socialist nonsense in MY country.

He needs to accept the victory with a bloody nose and a hefty dose of humility.

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to clarify for the confused (by which I mean republican appeasers ) She could fire him for any reason...however the manner in which she did it was illegal.

Oh BTW!

Whats the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and her vagina?

Only SOME of the things that come out of her vagina are retarded

have a good one guys, I'll be back to gloat in 3 weeks

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...and this from a proclaimed Democrat, the party of acceptance and tolerance.

Glad it's not your spouse or kids being made fun of.

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skylndrftr wrote:Whats the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and her vagina?

Only SOME of the things that come out of her vagina are retarded
Did your mother have any children that lived?

BTW you need to go back to the Democratic Indoctrination Camp. The term 'Retarded' referring to people born with certain genetic problems has been changed and isnt used anymore. But it would still be fair description to define your joke.

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....., they must also think the President has no real purpose in this country, even though they blame each and every problem we have on Bush. If they truly thought the Presidency was an important position, they wouldn't support a guy with such lousy credentials.

I think Obama is cool, too. .

So, it looks like we're gonna elect a guy with no experience for the job. He has no leverage in Congress, so Nancy and Harry will be running the show there. He has no experience running anything but a campaign, so the Executive branch will be run by the people around him. They'll tell him how things will be, because he has no experience with appointments or budgets or foreign affairs. He'll just be the smooth-talking figurehead that no one in power pays any attention to, 'cause he doesn't know where the bodies are buried..
If Bush had listened & followed the advice of others that knew more about Iraq and our economy we would not be in the position that we are now in.Boy deregulation was some experiment with our economy.

To squander a surplus and run up a debt of 10 trillion dollars the man should be........ Oh whats the use......


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