sad it has come to this (re: Afterdark)

Post by **rxspeed** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

to the mods, i retract that statement, you guys have been great with the emails to me personally and the posts on the board. its just last time i asked questions about adam's business practices i got my thread locked and was told to stop whining.

Post by **Cattalbus** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

I am glad that the mods let us have a place to talk about this and try to get to the bottom. I received a call from Adam last evening, he of course denies everything. and is not happy with his current situation. he has explained that he is in the process of refunding peoples money. He also stated that some people might be exagerating their problems. I cannot see how the CRPD can do much for you as you all chose to send him your money. But I do hope that the detective can assist you in pushing him to refeund. Didn't any of you use credit cards? most have ways to protect you if a purchase goes through badly. charge back etc.

We shall see if my motor comes in. I am hopeful but also keeping a very real approch to the fact that Adam may not pull through.

Website · Post by **cpt276** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

I grabbed this from an online dictionary: A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain. In this case, monetary gain. Yes, we chose to send him money, but it was not a donation, but in fact a purchase. That is why some people, as myself, have filed a complaint with the IFCC (Internet Fraud Complaint Center), as well as the BBB.

Am I pissed? Damn straight I'm pissed. I feel very fortunate that I have what I do have from his shop, but that doesn't excuse his business practice, or his inability to follow-through with a business transaction or contract. I truly hope everyone gets back what they put in.

Sorry for the ranting... I hope everyone is having a good day...IT'S FRIDAY!!

Post by **rxspeed** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

Cattalbus wrote:I am glad that the mods let us have a place to talk about this and try to get to the bottom. I received a call from Adam last evening, he of course denies everything. and is not happy with his current situation. he has explained that he is in the process of refunding peoples money. He also stated that some people might be exagerating their problems. I cannot see how the CRPD can do much for you as you all chose to send him your money. But I do hope that the detective can assist you in pushing him to refeund. Didn't any of you use credit cards? most have ways to protect you if a purchase goes through badly. charge back etc.

We shall see if my motor comes in. I am hopeful but also keeping a very real approch to the fact that Adam may not pull through.

see its things like this that make the situation worse. adam knows what he did and people are not over exaggerating. why would they? everyone knows my story. first i sent 3050 with the fact and he knew that if motorex got me a clip first he would refund the money. "sure no problem, i completely understand." so what happens, motorex gets my clip and ships it the next day. so i call adam and say lets trade out parts and the rest in a refund check."sure no problem, i can send you your vlsd, and defi gauges and a 2000.00 refund check." adam i need it hear by the first weekend in september. " sure no problem. that gives me a over a week to get it boxed and shipped out. no problem. trust me it will go out." that was the last i heard from adam until i posted on here about taking it to the authorities. it doesnt take that long to schedule a ups pickup. i offered to schedule the pickup for him and give him an extra 100.00 for his trouble. no emails, no call backs, no nothing.

next i promised a refund on sept 9. you think that check came. NO. calls me last night and says he will call back. Hasnt happened either and i have called him twice since then and left a msg both times.

and yes the cedar rapids pd can turn it over to the linn county sheriffs office and then to the linn county DA as since the dollar amount is so high and the list i faxed over has roughly 7-10 names on it totaling over 30,000.00 it can be pursued as a criminal action. my attorney has verified this with the linn county DA. will it get that far, its up to linn county. they have to make the decision and pursue it how they see fit. i was told today by my attorney that i would hear an answer next friday.

for those that dont believe the list is that high, i can provide emails from everyone who has mailed me their info and the list i have compiled that was faxed over to the cedar rapids pd. what people have to understand is that they have to call and file an incident report with the cedar rapids pd an fax all documents, emails, etc in as well.

to the part addressing the credit card thing. guess what thats credit card fraud and its a federal felony. you think your CC company eats that loss. they file claims and seize assets of the person that did not deliver the expected item. i know this for a fact because paypal did it to a guy that many of us know in florida. CC fraud is pursued very quickly by credit card companies. they are not about losing money. so the guys that used CC are actually doing adam a favor and buying him more time

TO ADAM, CALL ME BACK LIKE YOU SAID. YOU CAN TELL ANYONE WHAT YOU SAY, BUT I KNOW THE TRUE STORY AND HAVE THE EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT. YOU DONT. LIKE I TOLD YOU IN MY EMAILS, BACK UP WHAT YOU SAY, BECAUSE I DONT BELIEVE ANY OF THE BS FROM YOUR END. AND I DID NOT SLANDER YOUR NAME LIKE YOU CLAIM IN YOUR EMAILS, YOU DID IT TO YOURSELF BY LYING TO PEOPLE

Post by **SilGuy** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

Hey pgt892: I went to the shop today...im a local..so i drive past there like daily. I saw like 10.. 240s outside. I skipped a few posts cuz i'm kinda busy(maybe i missed something)...but i jus wanted to post this before i leave. I saw your car there today and whoever wuz there said its done. He even started it up for us. Nice car by the way...hehe. I don't think the guy wuz an employee, but he said it wuz done and doesn't know wuts goin on. Among the 10 is 2 s14s..including yours pgt892. the other one is black w/ a mugen sticker at the back..

...there is one black coupe and the otheres are all fastbacks....Eh..jus lettin everyone know...hehe. I'm by no means associated w/ afterdark...im jus a local..payce

Post by **worknprogress** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

silguy there wasn't a burgundy s14 w/ no front end there?

Post by **SilGuy** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

sup..no front end meaning.....no engine, no bumper..?? u should IM me......aim: wu star515 Whoever wants to IM me...feel free to do so...

Regarding to the shop: All the cars that i saw outside is sittin in the rain...like at the junkyards...i..ts pourin here. Almost all the ones i saw had no engine and no hood(hoods are inside).....jus sitting there. I don't remember seein a burgundy s14....did u call there today?? Cuz when we were lookin at this s14 w/ a red top and kouki front end, the dude came out lookin for a burgundy one...???

Post by **pgt892** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

SilGuy wrote:Hey pgt892: I went to the shop today...im a local..so i drive past there like daily. I saw like 10.. 240s outside. I skipped a few posts cuz i'm kinda busy(maybe i missed something)...but i jus wanted to post this before i leave. I saw your car there today and whoever wuz there said its done. He even started it up for us. Nice car by the way...hehe. I don't think the guy wuz an employee, but he said it wuz done and doesn't know wuts goin on. Among the 10 is 2 s14s..including yours pgt892. the other one is black w/ a mugen sticker at the back.. ...there is one black coupe and the otheres are all fastbacks....Eh..jus lettin everyone know...hehe. I'm by no means associated w/ afterdark...im jus a local..payce

Cool, thanks for the update SilGuy. I am going to be there next week to pick it up, I can't wait.

Post by **BaliLover** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

There is alot the police can do. We had a couple of kids here selling fake Lambo door kits on ebay. They were getting $400+ for them and mailing people 2 struts and 2 van door hinges from a local junkyard. They did this to around 40 people, made over $10000, and then someone called the cops. Both kids were hauled off to jail and had $22,000 bail. It was 27 counts of fraud, plus mailfraud, interstate fraud, and a few other things. They're out now, but both are awaiting trial and the state is trying to get even more charges against them. You may never get your money back, but justice can be served.

Post by **rxspeed** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

has adam contacted anyone else yet? still waiting of 5 days now for him to call me back

FYI....i probably will be starting a web page for this issue and if you would like to email me your story, summary please, i will post it up on the site. a buddy of mine is really into computers and can set it up for me. gonna call it like http://www.afterdark-tuningfraud.com or sucks.com or something along those lines

Post by **BuudWeizErr** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

Don't waste your time and money registering a domain that you will only use temporarily. Contact me, i'll give you some space on my site. You will have an FTP login and everything.

Post by **Rockenreno** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

rxspeed wrote:gonna call it like http://www.afterdark-tuningfraud.com or sucks.com or something along those lines

That could be considered libel, don't let your frustation make you do something stupid that could lead to future problems. Take up Budd on his offer.

Website · Post by **cpt276** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

If you'd like, you have my permission to copy & past my story/situation on your webpage.

Post by **rxspeed** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

thanks bud, will contact you later today.

you can post your story, no problem

would not be libel because they are testimonials from other consumers.

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

Personally think its going a bit too far...not that im defending anyone, but if someone just said they went to the shop, and cars are there, and work is being performed, and a service is being rendered, then why is it fraud? Because you dont like the service you recieved? The timeliness of your refund? of your car being done? For you to the company is a whole is a Fraud, just doesnt seem consistant with what stories have been told here. I would think that a court would be the one to decide whether the company is a "fraud" or not.

If he said he was giving you a refund, shut down the company, moved to mexico then i would agree...but for there to be a shop existing, and work being performed, and a solution trying to be resolved, then i think thats just a little overboard of a comment.

Once someone's emotions start influencing his actions, they start having a hard time being logical......

Post by **spec-v5150** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

I think you would feel differently if it was your money at stake...I agree 100% with what they are doing. What this taught me is three things 1)do your own work 2)Dont trust some guy who builds up trust with his automotive knowledge and decides to start a business and 3)get a contract for everything. Just like with ebay. You bid on something or use the buy it now. IF the prodcut isnt shipped in the time it says in the comments/shipping info..it is time for action. And if there is no shipping time, well then you email and ask and save that email. Sure there are extunating (sp) circumstances. I am a sucker for a sob story just like the next guy. If it is a valid circumstance/excuse well that cant be helped.....**** happens. Just liek work. If one of my troops (military) comes in late for work. Oh **** my alarm clock didnt go off. Valid excuse. I can work with that even if it isnt true. Benefit of the doubt. BUt when you are late ALL the time, well action has to be taken. If you he couldnt make HIS stated deadlines, he should just say that...not make false promises. Come out and say hey I dotn know when these engines are coming or hey I dotn know when your install will be done. I applaud these efforts. Sometimes it takes drastic measures to get a point across. Obviously calling him up hasnt gotten these people a refund or complete engine or whatever they ordered. Some peopel even compromised and said give me parts instead. Havent some peopel been waiting over 6 months for engines???? 6 MONTHS???!!! Insane, especially when thousands of dollars ae on the line. The nice approach didnt work out too well, so this is the next step. To me he is a fraud until people get their refunds. Then he will go from a fraud to a bad business man.

Post by **AZhitman** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

Gentlemen:

Which part of "Do not post here unless you are a current or former customer" do you guys NOT understand?

I think I've been MORE than patient, and am growing weary of repeating myself.

Post by **AZhitman** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

BTW - rxspeed, keep up the good work. Your efforts in organizing and mobilizing other customers are recognized and applauded.

Might be a waste of time to "put the word out" via a specialized website on a business that is no longer soliciting new customers and is, at present, just a name on a door (and likely to be gone soon anyway). Just a thought from the old dawg.

Post by **rxspeed** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

good point. we will see if adam calls me back today...I H8 UR DSMyou dont have any money if this. if you did you would be on the bandwagon with the rest of us. and forget any more sob stories. i know more about this than anyone having talked to attornies in iowa, the bank adam banks with, police,etc....sorry but you dont have a clue whats really going on...by the way, adam has admitted to"when i get things done, i am moving the shop to st. louis." not mexico but again more admitted BS

Post by **christopher** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

I had my swap done with AfterDark a while back. I was one of the origional depositors. After threatening them with a lawyer they finally delivered my car, late. It is missing the piping for the Blitz intake. It had some timing issues. The fuel pump wasn't hooked up correctly wich I fixed with Adams long distance guidance.

I payed just over $5000.00 all together and I am driving my car. I will be the first to say that communication is a disaster with them. I had to take time out of my schedule and surprise them with a visit more than once. I did it again yesterday since I havn't recieved my warranty info, or my intake pipe. I finally got a number to call and today I spoke with them again.

There are quite a few 240's in their lot at present and an RX-7 and an Eclipse inside. Of the cars in the lot now, I would say that 3 or 4 of them were there before I even brought my car down to AfterDark, definetly that green S14 has been sitting there. I would encourage everyone with a car there to pay a personal visit. Also if you have so much money on the line, bring a lawyer and make sure that they have an office in Cedar Rapids/Iowa City/DesMoines. Continue filing those complaints. The only way to see your money back is through a personal visit as far as I can see. They payed me no attention until I came down there with threats, sucked.

My mom had to give Adam a ride all the way home from St. Paul MN after he delivered my car and on the ride back she bi@#ed at him for not knowing how to run a business. Wow, was she right.

Post by **Wuss** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

Quote »My mom had to give Adam a ride all the way home from St. Paul MN after he delivered my car and on the ride back she bi@#ed at him for not knowing how to run a business. Wow, was she right.[/quote]Jesuschrist, You mean he didn't even pay for a bus ticket or something to get back ?

Post by **chrispy** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

well christopher , at least your car is running. And RXspeed , all my stuff is now filled out and reported.

Post by **rxspeed** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

good job chrispy. what an ***. couldnt even pay 80.00 for a greyhound ticket even after screwing you over for so long.

Post by **christopher** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

No, he didn't pay for a bus ticket. I told him I would get him back home after the delivery of my car. It was the only way to get him to deliver it. I couldn't go and get it and I was about to be on tour with my band for a month, ( oh, shameless plug time, http://www.heiruspecs.com/ ) so I told him to avoid legal action it had to be in my posession at or before midnight the day before I left. He showed up at about 6:00am the next day and I left at about 10:00am. I didn't even get a chance to test drive it for more than a couple miles.

Prior to that, I recieved all the empty promices that everyone else seems to have gotten. I had one engine installed and that one turned out to have a rod knock. Then they put this one in. What bothered me most at the time is that they only took about 12 hours to put the current motor in the car when push came to shove. If they would just do one of those every two days, they would make a killing in this business. They actually do (or did) know what they were doing. I am wondering what has been going wrong.

I imagine that most of your lost money went into paying back the debt they probably accumulated paying the bills on their shop before they could get any engines in. Sitting around and not doing work means that you can't pay bills. If that is the case, he will file for bankrupcy and I don't think you guys will have much of a chance to get your money back. Again I urge you, to go there and pester them in person. It is the only way to really get their attention and respect. It worked for me, and I am now clear of this mess. Am I the only one??

Post by **christopher** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

Oh, chrispy-

You emailed me a long time ago and made it sound like you finally had things strait with Adam, what happened.

Post by **rxspeed** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

for those of you that want to post your horror story with afterdark tuning please go to this link, register, and then you can post your story...adam if you wish to defend yourself you can do it hear as well.... http://www.sillbeer.com/afterdark

Post by **BuudWeizErr** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

Hey guys... I made you a place on my server to discuss all of this stuff. Honestly, I don't think it looks good to continually discuss this stuff on NICO. It doesn't make NICO, you guys or Adam look good, regardless of who should look good.

You guys have a central place to put all the info you need without people constantly coming in and posting their opinions. Please take advantage of it.

I think the admins will agree with me on this.

http://www.sillbeer.com/afterdark

Post by **AZhitman** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

Fantastic idea, Ryan. Thanks for giving the brethren a place to coordinate their efforts. I appreciate that and won't soon forget it. Let me know if I can be of any assistance.

p.s. - LOL @ Christopher's mom kicking some a$$. Must have been a LONG, miserable ride.

Post by **BuudWeizErr** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

Hitman... lock this thread and just spread the word to the people who need it is all that needs to be done, if you ask me.

Post by **chrispy** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:38 am

i'll tell you over at the new place , christopher.

sad it has come to this (re: Afterdark)

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