S15 gauge cluster question

[draggin93]

Can you use an s15 instrument cluster with an S13 redtop?

[Steve Lloyd]

nope, the speed sensor is in the differential on the S15 for starters, the plugs are different. Search on here, someone did it, but they used the whole S15 SR setup and everythting. He lives a few minutes away from me, but doesn't come on the boards hardly ever.

[partymonster 975]

nope, not gonna work.

[SpeedRacer1]

Too much work...my friend put in this one, but the speedo still will not work without S15 speedometer componants.

[AmoebAssassin]

Looks sweet, but not worth the price, or hassle!

[draggin93]

Will the S15 speed sensor bolt up to the S13 transmission?

[efrain240sx]

Too much work...my friend put in this one, but the speedo still will not work without S15 speedometer componants.

damn speedracer youre friend has a freaken nice car can I yet some more pics

[AmoebAssassin]

Will the S15 speed sensor bolt up to the S13 transmission?

The S15 speed sensor is located in the differential housing, so my guess is that it will not.

Most people who do S15 SR swaps use the S15 HLSD and pumpkin, and then use a digital converter to convert to the S13/S14 sensor frequency scheme.

If you really wanted to use an S15 speedo and had tons of cash, you could use the S15 diff and just use the signal directly.

[SpeedRacer1]

Will the S15 speed sensor bolt up to the S13 transmission?

The S15 does not have a speed sensor like the S13 or S14. It has an ABS sensor in the rear differential that sends an electrical signal to the ABS control unit, which converts the signal before it goes to the gauge cluster. Coincidently the S15 6 speed transmission has a slot where an S13/S14 speed sensor will bolt in, however there is no gear in the hole to turn the speed sensor.

damn speedracer youre friend has a freaken nice car can I yet some more pics

It was a shop car in WA, my friend did the wiring and a lot of the engine work. Here are a couple more pics. I havent seen it since it met the wall at a track a year ago, but I guess its probably looking the same nowadays.

[Blown240sx]

Does anyone have an idea of the signal sent to the cluster? As in Volts? There should be a way to put a resistor or something on the board to convert the S13/14 signals over so the cluster could read it.

[spider_slayer]

[QUOTE=SpeedRacer1] Coincidently the S15 6 speed transmission has a slot where an S13/S14 speed sensor will bolt in, however there is no gear in the hole to turn the speed sensor.QUOTE]

good work nissan.

[draggin93]

[QUOTE=SpeedRacer1]

The S15 does not have a speed sensor like the S13 or S14. It has an ABS sensor in the rear differential that sends an electrical signal to the ABS control unit, which converts the signal before it goes to the gauge cluster. Coincidently the S15 6 speed transmission has a slot where an S13/S14 speed sensor will bolt in, however there is no gear in the hole to turn the speed sensor.

It was a shop car in WA, my friend did the wiring and a lot of the engine work. Here are a couple more pics. I havent seen it since it met the wall at a track a year ago, but I guess its probably looking the same nowadays.[/QUOTE=SpeedRacer1]

Thanks, that explanation helped a lot. Are there any other gauge clusters that will work with an s13 motor?

[SpeedRacer1]

I use a kouki 180SX gauge cluster in my car. It came in 1996-1998 180SX's. It has charcoal gauge faces and amber needles.

[AmoebAssassin]

Got any pics of that installed and lit up? I'm still using my USDM cluster and the tach and speedo aren't cutting it for me anymore!

[SpeedRacer1]

Got any pics of that installed and lit up? I'm still using my USDM cluster and the tach and speedo aren't cutting it for me anymore!

There is one caveat to this cluster, you need a couple new sensors and need the pigtail connectors for the kouki cluster. Need a S14 speed sensor and an S14 temp sensor.

I could probably get a better pic tonight, those pics are very old.

[AmoebAssassin]

Wow, that looks really cool!

So put in an S14 speed sensor and an S14 single wire gauge temp sensor.

Wiring is straightforward, yes? Just get the pinouts, and wire in the kouki gauge harness and plugs, matching up wires by their functions, right?

[SpeedRacer1]

Basically thats how you install it. Wiring is the only hard part depending on ones level. Your best bet is to use the FSM for the S13 240SX and then use the circuitry on the back of the Kouki cluster to figure out the proper splicing. IIRC there are one or two wires that are hard to figure out.

[RPS13.5]

YEAH! there is some one or two wires...Where do they go???. I did a wiring convertion for that cluster, but the problem is the speed is off couple of KMH. So I just need a S14 speedo to fix the problem??? How about the S14 (KA24DE) temp sensor would it work and replace with S13 Black Top temp sensor? I might not need it just because I have a water temp gauge anyway, but its cool to know if its working???

[corey240]

well if your carful enough and do it right, couldnt you take the backing of the s15 speedo gauge and replace it with s14 peices?

[RPS13.5]

I was talking about the Type X Cluster. But anyway for the S15 cluster; I think it will bolt up, but the problem is would the mounting screw for the S14 speedo would work and fit with the S15 cluster board, and make shure polarity are the same????? Also dont brake the niddle!!!

[SpeedRacer1]

To get the Kouki 180SX cluster to work you need the S14 Speed sensor, could be from an SR or KA. Same with the Temp sensor, S14 KA or SR.

As for replacing the backs, its not going to happen. The S15 came with new style circuitry that makes them very hard to do anything with, whether thats taking them apart properly or even wiring.

[RPS13.5]

where can i find that s14 temp sensor? is that two wire plugs or one?

[SpeedRacer1]

Get the temp sensor from Nissan for less than $10. It is the single wire sensor.

[RPS13.5]

Found it....Cool thanks!!!

[SquidHamper]

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Nice Viper.!!!!!!

[r1jlewis]

http://www.putfile.com/r1jlewis[IMG][/IMG] Hey, yea i'm still around here Steve. Do need the S15 LSD and ABS module to make it work like stock. have heard of the frequency converter though, but i haven't messed with it yet.hope the pic works out.

[GranMastrDrift]

I am wondering if it will even calculate km on the odo on the 15 cluster? cause right now, my gas gauge hardly works worth a crap. due to jdm 14 harness and usdm sending unit. The gauge starts work after its almost a quarter tank left and then it starts going down rapidly lol

[SpeedRacer1]

Try to get the S15 sender unit for the gas gauge.

[GranMastrDrift]

mmm yes! maybe. I did have a fire a while ago, it was behind the cluster, maybe it fried the sending unit or overloaded it
Modified by GranMastrDrift at 7:37 AM 4/4/2007

[s86d]

the frequency converter works when you are using a s13/s14 5speed you use the vss from the transmission and calibrate the signal with the converter until your speedo is accurate.

if you are using the 6spd you need the hlsd w/vss or you don't have a speedo plain and simple.

also the s13 pictured above has a s15 dash in it. It takes some good fiberglass work to make it look factory in a s13 dash and minor glass work for a s14

good luck enthusiasts

-Dave