s13 sr20det rebuild costs

[MrSoutherland]

I have been searching and searching for the most economical but smartest route to go. Eventually at the end of next year I will build up the top end and throw a 2871r on it and supporting mods.

I am keeping the bottom end completely stock other than new oil pump/chain kit/ arp hardware and cosworth HG.

I am trying to keep my buget low and it's not working for me. I sometimes see where someone spent 2k and had the motor done up big. Do you guys think you can spend less than $2500 for ALL parts and machine work? Considering I will have the motor built by a friend that has his own shop. But I want the block and head sent out to the machine shop to get the normal stuff done. Deck/hone/hot tanked/ect...

Now the motor thats being rebuilt had ring damage. Crank and block are good, but I want to reasure that. So does anyone have a list that they saved when they did there rebuild with exact costs so I can compare/discuss?Thanx!!!

[Justin35ll]

I have been pricing my rebuild recently and it's about 1900 or 2000 for cp pistonseagle rodsclevite bearingsarp main studstomei headgasketmachiche shop (bore, hone, hot tank, polish)

And reassembly myself.

[MrSoutherland]

Your obviously building the bottom end up as I'm not doing so. But how much is the machine shop charging you for the work your getting done?

[PhopsonNY]

What machine shop are you using...Do they have a good rep?

[JRex]

I am doing stock bottom end rebuild.

- ACL Main, Rod, & Thrust Bearings - $90-100- ARP Head Studs - $115- Rings ~$100- Oil Pump ~$155- Timing Chain Kit ~$200- Head Gasket (undecided)- New Oil Strainer ~$30

It's defiantly possible to do it for under $2k

[MrSoutherland]

What machine shop are you using...Do they have a good rep?

I'd would really like to use mazworx but they will not get back to me and I have tried reaching them several different ways many times. So I'm not sure what machine shop in central FL I'll be using.

I am doing stock bottom end rebuild.

- ACL Main, Rod, & Thrust Bearings - $90-100- ARP Head Studs - $115- Rings ~$100- Oil Pump ~$155- Timing Chain Kit ~$200- Head Gasket (undecided)- New Oil Strainer ~$30

It's defiantly possible to do it for under $2k

Are you only getting the head bolts? Not rod and main bolts?

Here's the list I gathered up:gasket kitbeltsfuel filteroil panoil pumpringsnew bearings (acl)therm.cosworth hgexedy oem kittemp sens.water pumpchain kitrasarp rod/head/main boltsTotal- 1500 (rough figure)

Only thing is it doesn't include machine work. I aslo feel like I'm missing a lot of stuff. Other than fluids is there any thing else you guys can think of that I "better" replace?

[Justin35ll]

I was going to use pro-motion in east hanover nj.

He told me about 400 - 500 for bore, hone, freeze plugs, hot tank, some other minor things

[PhopsonNY]

So... do they come highly recommended?Will they blueprint your engine as wall so you can better match your pistons/rings to block? Are you having them prep your piston rings as well?

I was going to use pro-motion in east hanover nj.

He told me about 400 - 500 for bore, hone, freeze plugs, hot tank, some other minor things

Modified by PhopsonNY at 4:12 PM 12/9/2009

[compactfean]

Save yoursef some money on the oil pump guys my machine shop rebuilt my pump with sr20de Parts for like 40 bucks.

[JRex]

Save yoursef some money on the oil pump guys my machine shop rebuilt my pump with sr20de Parts for like 40 bucks.

I don't think anyone around here does that, otherwise I would defiantly go that route.

[Sil80315]

I have been pricing my rebuild recently and it's about 1900 or 2000 for cp pistonseagle rodsclevite bearingsarp main studstomei headgasketmachiche shop (bore, hone, hot tank, polish)

And reassembly myself.

Wow man..sounds like your getting ripped off. Maybe find another machine shop? I just priced out all you mentioned and I came up with 1200-1300 with me assembling my block.

I hope some of you guys know when it comes to ordering parts such as pistons or rods..its best to go right to the company. We just picked up a set of CP pistons for $280+ shipping stock bore

[Justin35ll]

Well the pistons, rods, and bearings are about 1000$ alone, then the machine shop will be around 400 - 500.And 200$ for a metal headgasket

I would also be reasembling myself. 400$ is the cheapest I've found for a machine shop so far for bore, hone, freeze plugs, crank polish and they will have all my parts so they can mock everything up.

cheapest cp pistons I see in 86.5 8.5:1 are 590 brand new of course

[compactfean]

Check out http://www.phase2motortrend.com they have some really good prices on a lot of stuff. Ive been dealing with them for years.

[JRex]

Where in the world did you get CP pistons for $280??

[Sil80315]

Where in the world did you get CP pistons for $280??

Im telling you. Get ahold of the manufacture directly

[MrSoutherland]

Most of us never think about going directly to the manufacturer because these parts are for sale everywhere. BTW- phase2 is great but there prices aren't. I know customer service is awesome and some prices might be good but I always find a better deal when I shop around. That might be just me though.

So if you guys had 2000-2500 to spend and you planned on keeping the bottom end stock, what route would you take?Keep in mind that you want a very reliable motor with all new parts and done correctly. The list that I posted, would that be what some of you would do or would you do something different from that?

[Sil80315]

What the hell. Sorry guys The price I gave for CP pistons was off. The guy we talked to over the phone was apparently and idiot. Comes to find out he was selling us $280 Per Piston!! like what the hell is that. So yeah a set of pistons is 500+ from well known parts sites.

Either way my build price for what was listed only went up 300 bucks so 1500 for your basic rebuild, nothing special

Phase2 and FRsport FTW

[compactfean]

Don't get me wrong there has been numerous times I've found stuff cheaper than p2m they also have some awsome deals to. I got my cp pistons for 380 from them...now there like 600! Just my $ 02

Most of us never think about going directly to the manufacturer because these parts are for sale everywhere. BTW- phase2 is great but there prices aren't. I know customer service is awesome and some prices might be good but I always find a better deal when I shop around. That might be just me though.

So if you guys had 2000-2500 to spend and you planned on keeping the bottom end stock, what route would you take?Keep in mind that you want a very reliable motor with all new parts and done correctly. The list that I posted, would that be what some of you would do or would you do something different from that?

[MrSoutherland]

+1 on frsport.com

[Justin35ll]

I'm buying my cp pistons off ebay. Found a seller for about 525$ shipped brand new in box not a private seller, looks like a small store.

But yeah brand new and correct part number.

[compactfean]

so so so sorry to thread Jack but why the increased prices the past few years? Ive been doing this stuff with Nissan's for a while now so when I built mine it wad way cheaper than now.it can't be economy. Tokyo drift maybe?

[JRex]

Defiantly the economy...

and yea I emailed CP and I got:

"We can sell them to you for 696.00 plus shipping. "

[MrSoutherland]

Whats the chances of re-using the timing chain kit and saving some money? What parts can I save on? I need help! I have $2500 to re-build and have to keep all costs based at that.

What should it cost for me to have the block and head machined for a basic rebuild?

[Sil80315]

Has anyone ever thought about coating their pistons? Ive talked to a few guys where ive gone to dyno and they got some of their pistons coated and I guess the out come from doing this is like night and day. It keeps the heat down and also decreases friction in the bore.

Guy got them coated for 350ish for 8 pistons for his ls1 block.

[MrSoutherland]

So I found a s13 longblock that is in mint condition. I'll be going to look at it in person but it's from a shop that has been around for 5 years now and will give a 90 day warrenty with it. It has all new gaskets, internals look almost new, low miles, shop owner is very very confident about this motor. Wants 1500 for it and comes with a lot of extra's. Keep in mind I'll have a 90 day warrenty...

What do you guys think about that deal? Should I go that route and have an extra 1000 left over for some labor and get some suspension work done?It's either that and have it dropped in real soon or get a re-build going like I was thinking but keeping the budget at 2500. It seems like 2500 for a complete re-build with machine costs and small amount of labor is too good to be true.

[Justin35ll]

You can easily do your basic rebuild for under 2000$

My budget limit right now is at about 2000$ cause it's all I have. And I'm building my block with cp pistons, eagle rods, acl bearings, (arp?) studs, and tomei headgasket, plus machine work.

So anyway.. whats this longblock come with? Pics?

As for coating the pistons, I'm not sure, but I've read about it once and it did seem like a nice thing to do

[MrSoutherland]

The thing is we aren't doing the same thing or even close so it's really hard to compare. Machine prices for getting your bottom end done does interest me but that's it. I decided to keep my bottom end stock because of how well built it is.

The list alone up top is 1500. That's just parts. No labor,machine work..Here's a pic of the motor. The only things that are missing I already have but include: trans, harness, ecu, maf, ignitor. So I know I can get this cheaper because I don't need the turbo and some other stuff as well. I'm planning on spending $1250-1350. We'll see what happens but if I get this longblock for that price and now I'm under budget and can spend more else where. Still need a clutch kit, fluids and other misc. items. I'd like to have my new front control arms and bushing kit for the car installed... So it seems that this might be a better deal. That's why I'm asking though I'm not positive yet.

Looks clean! We'll see what the compression and leak down results say though.
Modified by MrSoutherland at 6:32 PM 12/12/2009

[compactfean]

Has anyone ever thought about coating their pistons? Ive talked to a few guys where ive gone to dyno and they got some of their pistons coated and I guess the out come from doing this is like night and day. It keeps the heat down and also decreases friction in the bore.

Guy got them coated for 350ish for 8 pistons for his ls1 block.

I don't think it is necessary for the St because we have oil squirters for the pistons. ..idont think the ls1 does not sure though.

[Sil80315]

I don't think it is necessary for the St because we have oil squirters for the pistons. ..idont think the ls1 does not sure though.

Oil squirters or not, Pistons heat up under boost.

[Integra GS]

Mine cost 3400 out the door..

-New Cosworth Headgasket-OEM Valve Cover Gasket-New Spark Plugs-OEM Valve Stem Seals-OEM Connecting Rod Bearings-OEM Main Crank Bearings-OEM Thrust Bearings-ARP Main Studs-ARP Connecting Rod Bolts-ARP head studs-Piston/Rings-Machine Crank, Head, Block-Hot tanked.

Might be a bit much.. but worth it since I never worked on a SR before