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Lost_To_A_K-Car wrote:Originally posted by SpeedRacer1

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-...-8804

Probably referring to:

"(b) When the department determines that a registered vehicle ismechanically unfit or unsafe to be operated or moved upon thehighways."

Again, you're missing the first sentence of the act:

"The department may suspend, cancel, or revoke theregistration of a vehicle"

There's "may" again. This act creates the authority for the regulation, not the regulation itself. Show me the regulation that states that swapping a firewall is viewed as inherently "unfit or unsafe" for operation on Canada's roads.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-...24016

I don't know what you're referring to there. Care to be a little more specific?


Yeah check about 3/4 of the way down the page.


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Lost_To_A_K-Car wrote:Originally posted by SpeedRacer1 "]No offense KCar but you arent 100% correct, the issue isnt importing a RHD

Hey man, you brought it up...

Silviagirl: "No actually I believe you began the arguments."

you want an RHD S13, how do you get it?... Import it ... OR weld an RHD firewall into your S13

Do you realize that you're arguing two contradictory views on this subject in two different threads?

Silviagirl: "Soooo, he is simply making the point of HOW to have a RHD car in the US."

Where I'm from, we call that "thrashing".

Silviagirl: "Who cares?"

it is driving it legally on the road that is the issue, show me one street legal RHD S13 or S14 in the United States. You havent proven your point with an actual car (being evidence), you merely show that the law can be interpreted by different points of views.

It is impossible to prove a negative, and I cannot prove that a law does not exist.

Silviagirl: "Yes you can, you prove thru references of those who have been affect by a non-existant law, aka those who were clearly accepted with these vehicles, by law enforcement, with no penalites."

You asserted that operating (and now importing) a RHD car is illegal. The onus is on you to cite the law or regulation that contains this prohibition. You have not been able to do that, so I can only assume you're talking out of your *ss.

Silviagirl: "Actually the law is not specific enough. What you both need to do is site a reference of someone who has gotten a ticket for HAVING a RHD car, AND/OR someone who a cop has let go with no penalties. The law always has exceptions, one cop may have one opinion another, another."

Since when was removing the firewall not messing with the safety equipment of a car? It in itself is a piece of safety equipment.

By that argument, swapping your seats is also illegal.

There is a canonical definition for "safety equipment". It means lights, belts, brakes, tires...things that are covered in a safety inspection administered by the state for the sticker. Anything that is not explicitly listed in a particular state's definition is not covered.

So, find me the Washington state safety equipment list - I posted one, you might be able to find a better one - that includes the firewall.

If you can get Nissan Japan to tell the states that their RHD firewalls have the same strength when welded into a LHD car then you've won your case.

You're still missing the point. There is no case.

Silviagirl: "That's you're opinion but I think both of you have cases."

Here is what the CA gov has to say about altering equipment and registering faulty cars:

Ok, so we're going to talk about Canada now. Ok.

Silviagirl: "No, California. lol"

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-...-8804

Probably referring to:

"(b) When the department determines that a registered vehicle ismechanically unfit or unsafe to be operated or moved upon thehighways."

Again, you're missing the first sentence of the act:

"The department may suspend, cancel, or revoke theregistration of a vehicle"

There's "may" again. This act creates the authority for the regulation, not the regulation itself. Show me the regulation that states that swapping a firewall is viewed as inherently "unfit or unsafe" for operation on Canada's roads.

Silviagirl: "California! And that law is not specific enough, but just becuase it isnt does THAT mean it is LEGAL?! Not necessarily. They have to be general, or else these codes books would be several thousand pages long!"

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-...24016

I don't know what you're referring to there. Care to be a little more specific?


Your missing the whole point....

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SOLUTION

move to austrailia, u dont even have to learn a foriegn language.

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The sad thing K-Car .. is Silviagirl (the one who can't quote), is posting a quote (that you two both should have looked up) from the NHTSA website (national highway traffic safety association) out of the "Nonconforming Vehicles" Section

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....html

"All eligibility numbers are for a left-hand drive motor vehicles except where right-hand drive (RHD) is identified after the model. While there is no specific restriction on importing a right-hand drive vehicle, an eligibility number based on a substantially similar U.S.- certified motor vehicle may not apply. Our experience has shown that the safety performance of right-hand drive vehicles is not necessarily the same as that of apparently similar left-hand drive vehicles offered for sale in this country. However, we will consider them "substantially similar" if the manufacturer advises us that the right-hand drive vehicle would perform the same as the certified left-hand drive vehicle in crash tests. If the vehicle is not substantially similar to one sold in the U.S., the RI would have to demonstrate that the vehicle, when modified, would comply with the applicable Federal motor vehicle safety standards, which could involve crash testing several vehicles. The importer of a vehicle admissible under any eligibility decision must write that number on the Form HS--7 accompanying entry to indicate that the vehicle is eligible for importation. "

Lost, looks like the good ol government does think RHD aren't necessarily "safe," and NISSAN of JAPAN WOULD HAVE TO SHOW SOME SORT OF PROOF. Speed Racer was right. haha

So both of you do your proper homework next time, so that you can learn to quote like Silviagirl. :pface

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Yes, but the paragraph was not quoted in it's entirety. In order to make a point you cannot pull things out of context.

It sucks being wrong eh

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lmao....

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Lost_To_A_K-Car wrote:Is being stupid like being stoned all the time?


OK, here is one i can field...

No, its not the same. Feeling or being stupid only aquaints ( i know i spelled that wrong) for about 10% of the affect of being stoned : )

i can be stoned the majority of the time, yet still not be stupid (most of the time) : )

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SpeedRacer1 wrote:show me one street legal RHD S13 or S14 in the United States.


There was a guy in the military who imported an S13 and it is registered, insured and driven on public roads, when I get back to my house I will find the article for you.
Silviagirl79 wrote:Lost, looks like the good ol government does think RHD aren't necessarily "safe," and NISSAN of JAPAN WOULD HAVE TO SHOW SOME SORT OF PROOF. Speed Racer was right. haha
They don't have to show proof.

However, we will consider them "substantially similar" if the manufacturer advises us that the right-hand drive vehicle would perform the same as the certified left-hand drive vehicle in crash tests.

It just states that they have to "advise" them that its the same. Since they are the makers of the car, I assume they are considered credible.

Lost's point is that there is no law that states it is illegal to drive a RHD car. No one has shown any proof otherwise.

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K-car, I love you man! What do you do for a living? You got some skills man.

Now I didn't read all of these VERY longwinded posts, but what I have read is that SpeedRacer and Silviagirl have stated that it is illegal to own/operate a RHD car on the road legaly.

Thats a whole lot of wrong. 100% legal. Don't try argueing 'cuz you are wrong. I don't what else to say, there is no law stating that it is illegal... The End.

I'm not an expert on law but, I don't think it is illegal to modify the firewall or steering operation of the car. It is illegal however to do so in an unlawful manner ie: the steering wheel must be in a direct mechanical connection without relying on belts, pullys, chains or electronics to operate. So for you to do a RHD conversion, you must have the entire steering rack and front suspension from a JDM car.

The USDM and JDM chassis are exactly the same, and are nearly the exact same from the B pillar forward within the S13-S15 generations. Why do you think you can bolt an JDM S15 frontend onto a US S14? The firewall is nearly the same, there is a big dent where the JDM steering would come through and there are ecthes where you would cut for the pedals. Both US and JDM cars have mounting points for things such as the CA or SR SMIC and Power Steering. I'm putting an Blact top S13 SR in a S13 chassis right now, so I get to see every detail.

Although the 240sx has been proven road worthy by Nissan to be imported, I'm not sure they mean the RHD Silvia. In either case there has never been a petition singed to legalize the 'Silvia' and/or the '180sx' That 240sx petition is for the 1988 model year only.

Onizuka
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Well im sure most of you have heard of motorex, and how they offer 100% road legal RHD Skylines........

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Quote »Our experience has shown that the safety performance of right-hand drive vehicles is not necessarily the same as that of apparently similar left-hand drive vehicles offered for sale in this country.[/quote]

I get the feeling that some people here assume that Quote »not necessarily the same [/quote] equals "lesser"

This could also mean that the RHD drive vehicle performs better than the LHD version of the vehicle.

In the UK - ANSI approved helmets are illegal for street use.The truth is they are actually of a higher practical standard than the road legal BSI standard helmets.

Different is not always negative ;)

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just my .02...

In some states (not CA) off-road vehicles i.e.- Dunebuggys, kit-cars, RACE CARS, and..... RHD SILVIAS can legally be registered as an OFF ROAD vehicle for use on the road provided they meet certian standards (lights, seatbelts, ect)

I know for a fact it is like this in missouri and ABSOLUTLY worthless in CA cuz you can't license ANY off-road vehicle for on road use there. but... just wanted to add a thought.

BTW, good call J-Spec Tuner, i'm surprised nobody said that earlier :rolleyes

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i went to the virgin island and all of the cars were american (LHD) but they all drive on the right side of the road, let me tell you, that is some scary shi t..........

Lost_To_A_K-Car, you spider man scares me.. :)

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yeah son your avitar needs to lay off the x that stuff ain't good for you in the long run...

Peace

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Quote »Conveniently, there's a post in General Chat from a guy that's driven LHD cars on RHD roads[/quote]

Uhmm...that was me actually ;)

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Quote »We have the same deal here, only it's Snell instead of NSI.[/quote]

Yeah my current motorcycle helmet, which is an Arai Rapide E was bought in Hong Kong (Jap-spec) and I think it is the Snell standard?

Composite shell construction etc - but totally illegal for use back home (if the cops want to get $hitty), however the chances of actually getting a ticket for it is highly unlikely.

This was my daily "driver" in Hong Kong when using the aforementioned Arai helmet.


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