Roomate thinks RX-7 drifts better...

Post by **drifter sx** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

My roomate says an RX-7 would drift better than a 240 any day. he had a 7 about a year ago, but he tried swapping his engine out on his own and totally screwed the car. i got my 240 shortly after, but he 'challenged' me and my car. he swaers up and down that he can out drift me in his RX-7. i know that its not all on the car, the driver is crucial in this matter also, but i think that just in general the 240 SX is the dominant drifter. what do you guys think?

Post by **stickgoat** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

Both RX-7s and 240s are regarded as "the" drifting cars to have.... It'd all come down to the driver.

Both are lightweight F/R setup....definitely driver.

Post by **Onizuka** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

stickgoat wrote:definitely driver.

Post by **Chingon** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

up to the driver, rx7 has 50/50 weight distribution, and 240 is more like 55/45, the 180sx is 50/50 I think.

Post by **Onizuka** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

a 180sx is a 240sx with a better motor, they have about the same weight distribution.

Post by **zombieman** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

from what i found out, the best drifting car of all time is the s15, then comes the 180sx, the AE86, then the FC and FD. nothing base on facts, but the Japanese seems to drive more 180sx and s13 than RX-7. Maybe because the piston engine is more better than rotary.

Post by **Toahk** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

The rx-7's also had the turbo II model, with stock LSD, which would probably whoop on a stock 240, but hell what do I know.

Post by **Sayre** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

RX-7 pretty much all the way unless you really hook up the suspension in your 240. They're smaller, lower, and lighter overall with plenty of power. I had one. Unbelievable handling and control. Even with mix-matched tires, it was the best handling car I've ever ridden in. Wouldn't mind owning one of them again one day.

Post by **JESTER** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

Agreed. It is about egual. If i had to bet on one, I may even put my money on the RX7.

Which generation ReX are we talking? 2nd I am assuming. And are we talking stock for stock?

Ref his engine swap: Was he putting in another 13b (assuming it is a 2nd gen) or was he trying to put in a 13B Turbo II engine? Because if that was the case, he was asking for pain and suffering.

Post by **WingsNThangs** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

zombieman wrote:from what i found out, the best drifting car of all time is the s15, then comes the 180sx, the AE86, then the FC and FD. nothing base on facts, but the Japanese seems to drive more 180sx and s13 than RX-7. Maybe because the piston engine is more better than rotary.

And your source is...?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I dont think you've ever driven a S13, 180SX, AE86, or maybe a RX-7. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I dont even think you've ever done a controlled drift.

With that said, proof>speculation/Initial D.

Post by **ilikenissan** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

Stock for stock depends on what model and gen. we are talking here. cuz my 240 came with an LSD and i know theres a model of a RX that came with an LSD. But either way to an amateur drifter which you and your friend prob. are. The 240 will be better for you to drift in. Cuz the 240 has less power which is easier to handle during the drift. I know if i drove a higher powered car and tried to drift it i will probally wind up spinning out. But thats just me and i only drifted my car and a really old corolla.

Post by **drift-sx** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

wholly i don't wan tto get into the many reasons why s13 are better at drifting then most any car (toyota corolla exeption) rx-7 have nothing on 240sx'.

http://www.rx7club.com/forum/s...96525

point proven thank you

Post by **Chingon** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

J-Spec Tuner wrote:a 180sx is a 240sx with a better motor, they have about the same weight distribution.

"better" and lighter, since the sr is aluminum block and the ka is an iron block, the 180sx (sr) has better weight distribution.

Post by **Chingon** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

drift-sx wrote:wholly i don't wan tto get into the many reasons why s13 are better at drifting then most any car (toyota corolla exeption) rx-7 have nothing on 240sx'.

http://www.rx7club.com/forum/s...96525

point proven thank you

I fail to see your point with this post.

Post by **SmithSR** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

Chingon, what is ideal weight distribution?

Also, what are the weights for the SR and the KA?

It'd be cool if there was more documented proof in this kind of argument.

A car's attitude is dictated by driver input, so the skill of the driver will always be the deciding factor.

Post by **JESTER** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

Figure it like this, while you are drifting in your 240, his car will be limping home after it looses a rotar.

Post by **theronin** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

my roomate thinks his camry is faster than my s14... what do you all think?

Post by **Holisticbeatz** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

drifter sx wrote:..he 'challenged' me and my car. he swaers up and down that he can out drift me in his RX-7. ...the driver is crucial in this matter also, but i think that just in general the 240 SX is the dominant drifter. what do you guys think?

"he 'challenged' me and my car" - He's calling you out. Be a man and accept his challenge.

"the driver is crucial in this matter" - Practice, practice, practice.

"also, but i think that just in general the 240 SX is the dominant drifter" - Depends at how you look at it. ƒuck all that JDM bullshiEt, cause in the Option videos I've watched, those JDM boys will drift anything with RWD. I've noticed a lot more AE86's drifting at the So. CALI events than S13s.

"what do you guys think?" - Suspension work, LSD, extra rims w/ tires, and practice practice practice.

Post by **InNeedOf240** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

theronin wrote:my roomate thinks his camry is faster than my s14... what do you all think?

-_-; are you serious?

Post by **theronin** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

< do i look serious?

Post by **Onizuka** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

Chingon wrote:"better" and lighter, since the sr is aluminum block and the ka is an iron block, the 180sx (sr) has better weight distribution.

but with all of the turbo equipment they end up having only like a 5 lb difforence (the SR still has iron sleeves). All of the other components in the car are EXACTLY the same, i dont see how such a small difforence in engine weight accounts for a shift from 55/45 to 50/50 (which the 180sx definatly isn't).

But thats all spliting hairs, the point is, unless your are a better driver/drifter than your freind, you will lose unless your car has a bunch of drift parts and his is stock.

Post by **Chingon** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

Car weights:240sx weight 2730 lbs. 180sx weight 1120kg~2466-2577lbs

Engine weights: I'll look later, it's hard to find, maybe a search in the forums?

I'd say the ideal weight distribution is 50/50 but the new silvia is 45/55 so who knows?

Post by **Onizuka** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

Where are you getting your facts from? Not that your wrong, i just want to find out for myself

Post by **Chingon** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

google.com, gran turismo and the info on my car's door.

Post by **Chingon** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

ka24de pan on, no alternator, water pump in, rad hose on, no fuel rail, no valve cover, no exhaust manifold, no distributor, + 15 lb engine stand neck

309 lbs. __240sx.org

Post by **Chingon** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

J-Spec Tuner wrote:but with all of the turbo equipment they end up having only like a 5 lb difforence (the SR still has iron sleeves). All of the other components in the car are EXACTLY the same, i dont see how such a small difforence in engine weight accounts for a shift from 55/45 to 50/50 (which the 180sx definatly isn't).

But thats all spliting hairs, the point is, unless your are a better driver/drifter than your freind, you will lose unless your car has a bunch of drift parts and his is stock.

You'r right, I went overboard with the 50/50, however do remember that the 240 has 2.4 liters (bigger cylinder and block) than the sr.

Post by **Onizuka** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

gran turismo is a very very poor source for info. There are factory charts somewhere, i just have to find them. The SR is lighter just not my any obscene amount.

Post by **Chingon** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

yeah, but this time the gran turismo data matched factual data which worked ok.

Post by **MainEvent212** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

i think it's aobut 50 lbs different...

and isnt an S13 hatch 52/48?

that was always my impression

Post by **TheDonEffect** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:27 pm

This is such a user biased question, it's like saying a Mustang is a better drag car than the Camaro, both have established themselves as being the best at what they do, it just comes down to driver. (But as far as newer one goes, LS1 will take a 4.6 anyday).The reason why there are more 180s or s13/14/15s in Japan is production numbers, apparetly the silvias and 180s are more common.The only real argument you can say is this is that for the common person, the silvias and 180s will be better realistically, and I say this because try and find a rotary specialist in comparison to someone who could work on reciprocating engines. As far as power delivery is concern, it really is a wash, the 13bs have proven themselves as veritable power producers with a clean smooth delivery.Both cars weigh similar, power advantage stock is in favor for the seven, but for the price difference, won't take much to get the nissan on par and out perform the seven.So it boils down to driver.

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