rode in a B18 honda hatch.

[Nissan-S14]

hmm, i think were talking about 2 diff cars, maybe the one im thinking is not the nx,

I was talking about the Pulsar NX

[dareo]

Oh the pulsar NX...that thing is hairy buttcrack ugly. Some halfarsed attempt at a futuristic look that failed miserably.

No offense pulsar NX owners, just not my style.

[extheflow]

I don't know if it's a matter of liking Honda so much as it is a matter of respecting what other people driving other cars have been able to do. Beyond that, I don't see it as an "either-or" situation... I mean, asking a question like that is like asking, "If all you guys like going fast, why don't you own sportbikes?" There are MANY reasons for owning a 240sx instead of (insert car here), but that doesn't mean you can't appreciate other cars.

We talk at length on these boards about Hondas... their weaknesses and strengths, but mostly their weaknesses. I think we ought to show at least a little respect for those drivers, bandwagoning or not, who overcome those weaknesses.

we 240 owners have to be careful about who we call bandwagoneers now. i'de say the only thing saving us from being more overrun by the trendiness is the fractional production numbers compared to the civic.i wish something else would grace the pages of SCC and superstreet soon..maybe 5.0 miatas or something.

[BaliLover]

Locally there are a ton of swapped hondas, one of those being an H22 hatch. He used to beat alot of people, its a very light car with an engine putting out 200-210 at the flywheel. One of the strongest FWD Honda motors. He is the test in town for people who think they have fast cars. Lets just say I walk him from a 40mph roll, and from a 60mph chase I can pass him with ease. Gotta love the S13 SR20DET, of course that was with an upgraded turbo at 14psi, but its only the GT28RS, still about the same flow as stock, just spools better, so I'd imagine a stock T25 could do it to with the boost turned up. I'll take a turbo motor anyday. Besides, how many 500hp hondas have you seen on a stock bottom end?

My roots are Honda, its where I started, and I still currently own an H22 powered Accord running a 75 shot, but I got bored with it. With every bolt on, the only other really good upgrades were going to cost me $2000 and up, and still wouldn't ned me the same power I could get from a nissan. The other downfall to my honda was it is an Auto, but its also got the factory LSD so when running the 75 shot there wasn't any traction problems between gears. I guess one day I need to run the 2 cars against each other and see how they compare.

[gabossie]

Honda's aren't my cup of tea, mostly because of a lack of torque and lack of RWD (spare the S2k, which is an awesome car), but I certainly will give credit where credit is due. Someone tunes one to be fast, maybe whoop my ***, they deserve the same respect we do if we tune our cars to kick their asses. Brand names are all relative, a fast car is a fast car no matter who manufactured it (or the engine). Like I said, my buddy has a B20 with a B16 (I believe) head, it's NA and that thing will whoop my S13 with an S13 blacktop all stock, just upped boost.

You talk about the Honda bandwagon, well, at least 50% of the active members here have hopped on the 240 bandwagon in the last year.

[aleph1]

my dads neighbor in his apartment complex has a 91' crx with a fully rebuilt H22A and a turbonetics custom turbo, gutted interio etc etc etc, he said he used to have a crx with a B18C5 and that his h22a is quicker, but he said with the B18 he was able to run down a lot of powerful cars. he showed me a dyno sheet he had and it was somewhere( its been a while) around liek 402fwhp im probably off a few but thats impressive

Have fun getting decent traction with that much power in a FWD car. Especially one as light as a CRX. And the amazing power of inertia tells us that our 240s are indeed a better sports car no matter how much hp some FWD has.

[marshun]

i have a 96 hatch with a h22 in it. hehe. i only use the 240 for drifting. but the civic hatch is my daily driver.

[br2819]

i had a prelude when i got my 240 and i like both. the prelude was quicker but the nissan was more fun to drive. also i think honda has nicer interior. my new accord interioir is nicer than the new altima.

[Fenvy]

honda = no torque !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

have you driven a honda before? stop jumping on the honda no torque bandwagon. honda make the best NA/fuel efficient engine. What it mainly lack in torque makes up by high revs. You got to give them credit for being able to dominate the import market with NA only engines.

[240Knightrider]

yeah hondas have to be revved before the real power comes out. My neighbor has an exhaus thats gold in color but sells for about 1K cant remember the name. He has that and about all the best stuff you could get for it. All I know is something in my car is grinding against something else and Im pretty sure its the timing chain but its not really a rattle it sounds like metal spinning really fast and hitting some other metal object. It kinda sucks though cause its gotten worset the last three days and it seems like everyone started to want to race me.

[aleph1]

^ talk about off topic...

[240Knightrider]

I started the post so whats your point.

[eh?]

My roots are Honda, its where I started, and I still currently own an H22 powered Accord running a 75 shot, but I got bored with it. With every bolt on, the only other really good upgrades were going to cost me $2000 and up, and still wouldn't ned me the same power I could get from a nissan. .

Did you ever run your coupe? I have a friend who had a h22 92 5spd accord coupe. Best he could do was 14.8, couldn't go lower. Now he's pulling the motor and dropping it into a bubble. I told him not to, but he didn't listen. He will run faster with the h22 bubble, but there are few h22 accords that actually run.

[Fenvy]

what's bubble?

h22 will fit into 5th gen accord chassis easily and a slight modification is needed for 6th gen

[eh?]

civic hatch

[Justicc86]

a friend of mine has an 94' civic hatch with an h22 and a 100shot direct port NOS system and he runs 12.00 at 110mph untuned

[Nissan-S14]

a friend of mine has an 94' civic hatch with an h22 and a 100shot direct port NOS system and he runs 12.00 at 110mph untuned

Sorry, i dont buy it. I wanna see the timeslip

[420_240sx]

I just cring everytime I am driving down the road and I hear some POS Honda come up beside me. Funny part is it happens on every other intersection over here. I do agree that there are quick hondas out there, I just don't think they are worth how much it takes to get strong power from them, especially since you're still stuck with FWD, which IMO is pretty lame for a car meant to go fast. Especially the annoying wheel hop : \

[Nissan-S14]

I just cring everytime I am driving down the road and I hear some POS Honda come up beside me. Funny part is it happens on every other intersection over here. I do agree that there are quick hondas out there, I just don't think they are worth how much it takes to get strong power from them, especially since you're still stuck with FWD, which IMO is pretty lame for a car meant to go fast. Especially the annoying wheel hop : \

i second that!

[emperor_lunchbox]

yeah, my eclipse is not meant to be fast, it is meant to be a daily driver but it still has some power and the most annoying thing in the world is the wheel hop, it shakes everything, i have spilled drinks, dropped the cell phone off the holder from the damn wheel hop. WHEEL HOP SUCKS!

[Nismo_Freak]

Oh please... there is alot of misinformation here.

The average swap / KAT build on this forum runs what... at least 5k? These guys doing turbo kits on their B16 SI's are running the same times as a stock turbo SR running twice the boost pressure.

Don't believe it ... I know of 2 SI's running high 13s and one running mid 13s on the same budget as my SR swap. The highest pressure they are running is 10 psi IIRC on stock bottom end engines.

Lets not also forget you are compairing one Nissan to a whole range of Honda cars. Wanna see what a GA16DE produces in the torque department? My EG hatch owns the crap out of my old GA powered 200SX. Torque is not the end all to performance... you guys boast about our 240's beating 5.0s w/ less torque and smaller engines. Why don't you recognize that a 2300 lb. FWD car doesn't need a 2.4L engine to move... because it's drivetrain is more efficient than your's and isn't moving 500+ lbs. more car. It also was designed for another purpose.

[marshun]

I just cring everytime I am driving down the road and I hear some POS Honda come up beside me. Funny part is it happens on every other intersection over here. I do agree that there are quick hondas out there, I just don't think they are worth how much it takes to get strong power from them, especially since you're still stuck with FWD, which IMO is pretty lame for a car meant to go fast. Especially the annoying wheel hop : \

so youre saying that it would take less work for a 240 to go faster eh? thats garbage. honda swaps are so easy. and the prices on the motors have gone way down.

and bali. i know you from HS. your car wasnt fast cause you put the motor into another heavy car. lol. from a lude into an accord. do you got a sentra now?

[BaliLover]

Marsun,

My car was a 4 door Accord Auto, thats why it was slow, but I got the H22 swap from a JDM Prelude SIR for $1600, entire front clip but I had him just remove everything from the chassis. Thats also how I got my bolt on instead of pressed on rotors. For 1600 it is alot faster than it was. I threw on the nitrous system and was dusting alot of cars around here, Boxter Ss and the like. It was funny seeing the look on a Porshe owners face when a 4 door family car left him 4 car lenghts behind. I'm going to be parting it out soon, I just need to see who wants what and what I can get for it.

No, I'm running a 240 now, I spec'd it out on HS a while back when there was a 240 rollcall. BTW, Nico guys, hows that for seeing both sides, a honda forum has a nissan forum inside of it.

[BaliLover]

Oh, and I got the 240 because I wanted RWD and 5 speed, but I blew the motor up pretty quick, threw a rod, destroyed the block, oilpan, 2rods, 2pistons, and tore a big hole in the transmission bellhousing.

I just like the potential that an SR20DET has with a stock bottom end, I don't ever plan to get 400hp, and since they're getting 500hp from a stock bottom, I feel pretty safe.

[drifter_for_life06]

500hp from a completely stock bottom? that might be pushing it.

[Nissan-S14]

All I have to say is

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[Oatmealman]

no all you wanna ride in my old 90 240sx i put a rb25 in it i destroyed vipers and porsches.

[BooFa]

the only thing i hate is when a stock civ with altezzas and rims with xenon lights and a nasty muffler comes up and thinks he's hot **** and revs at me and then wants to race... cause when he's flooring it i'm not and we're still neck to neck... maybe my apexi n1 dual with injen short ram is enough to beat a stock civic from light to light... ?? i dunno - honda owners i used to be one.. and they're cool too.. and in actuality.. a lot of them love nissan people.. for example team-integra.net... they're always complementing/admiring the sr20 owners that they know...

[marshun]

Oh, and I got the 240 because I wanted RWD and 5 speed, but I blew the motor up pretty quick, threw a rod, destroyed the block, oilpan, 2rods, 2pistons, and tore a big hole in the transmission bellhousing.

I just like the potential that an SR20DET has with a stock bottom end, I don't ever plan to get 400hp, and since they're getting 500hp from a stock bottom, I feel pretty safe.

i recognize your screen name from somewhere. idunno where.

but if you guys want times about civics with h22's, i ran a 13.8 on street tires.

i still love my civic just as much as i love my 240. although i wish the 240 could speed up like the civic.