Republicans deriding McCain/Palin

[HashiriyaS14]

Although all was understandably quiet immediately following the convention, certain well-respected Republicans are now starting to come forward against some of the tactics being used by the McCain campaign.

Most notably, of course, is Karl Rove. He is obviously not a "model citizen", but when Karl Rove tells you that you're fighting dishonestly, you're probably fighting dishonestly. This man held the previous record:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI....html

Additionally, Orrin Hatch, whom I personally respect a *great* deal, has come forward and said that he thinks the "lipstick on a pig" backlash from McCain/Palin was ridiculous, as can be read here:

http://www.boston.com/news/pol....html

George F. Will, whom I also respect immensely (as the greatest "pen to paper" that the Republicans have nowadays), points out how McCain, however well he might mean, seems to be operating with blinders on in regards to how he conducts himself, especially given his career-long record of admonishing others:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/....html

Furthermore, Don Sipple, a respected GOP strategist, had this to say about McCain's campaign over the last month (August):

"The last month, for sure, I think the predominance of liberty taken with truth and the facts has been more McCain than Obama,"

(link was buried in NYT article about McCain's ribbing on "The View")

I will continue to post more of these as I find them. I know there are a few more, but I forgot the particulars and was thus unable to unconver them via google.

Naturally, there are plenty of Dems that dislike Obama also, mostly Hillary supporters, but there hasn't really been any sort of tide of like-partied individuals accusing him of out-and-out dishonesty as there has been with McCain.

[Jesda]

I find Orrin Hatch to be yet another big-government sleaze wrapped up in a friendly package, and Rove I can at least respect for being unashamed of the work he does and how he does it.

McCain, I'll say it again, was only nominated because of star candidates fumbling. Giuliani ditched Iowa. Thompson snoozed his way through. Romney is a New England money machine with limited appeal. Ron Paul is too libertarian to appeal to most of the GOP.

The party got stuck with Johnny Mac.

[WDRacing]

The party got stuck with Johnny Mac.

Quite possibly the most word perfect statement existing on the Internet.

[HashiriyaS14]

I was waiting for this one. Chuck Hagel had been totally silent since Palin got picked, but now he's finally voicing his concerns:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com....aspx

I suspect this will encourage others who feel the same way to speak publicly as well. He can't be the only prominent Republican who questions the decision.

[SmithSR]

Kind of a non-issue.

How much time have you invested in researching criticism of the decision by Obama's handlers to bring Biden along for the short bus ride?

This just in! Faceless robot, business as usual politician slated for Dem VP spot. In other obvious news, it's about to rain in WA.

Haven't seen the all or nothing left post links drowning out his message.. Biden HAS a message?

Must be a non-issue.

[audtatious]

His message is that it is patriotic to pay more in taxes to fix the constant Gov screw ups and that he is not a good choice for VP.

[S13_love]

Kind of a non-issue.

How much time have you invested in researching criticism of the decision by Obama's handlers to bring Biden along for the short bus ride?

This just in! Faceless robot, business as usual politician slated for Dem VP spot. In other obvious news, it's about to rain in WA.

Haven't seen the all or nothing left post links drowning out his message.. Biden HAS a message?

Must be a non-issue.

You really dislike democrats...dont you?

[HashiriyaS14]

Kind of a non-issue.

How much time have you invested in researching criticism of the decision by Obama's handlers to bring Biden along for the short bus ride?

This just in! Faceless robot, business as usual politician slated for Dem VP spot. In other obvious news, it's about to rain in WA.

Haven't seen the all or nothing left post links drowning out his message.. Biden HAS a message?

Must be a non-issue.

LOL.

I'm not saying that there aren't plenty of Democrats who dislike Biden, I'm sure there are. There are obviously plenty of Democrats who dislike Obama.

But Hagel didn't say he didn't LIKE Palin, he said she was wholly unqualified in any way whatsoever to be President of the United States (and thus also VP). He also said that she was "insulting the American people".

I don't think anyone on the "blue" side has gotten that strong about anything Obama or Biden have said.

Palin is, IMO, a purely political play that borders on the absurd, and it was only a matter of time before prominent Republicans begin to point it out. They're pointing it out because they think McCain will probably lose, and they want to be able to keep their seats by being able to look back and say "see, I told you so", when Palin is inevitably derided as a huge mistake once McCain loses in November. If they thought he was going to win, they'd be getting on board with it. It's just politics.

[96Qowner]

Palin is, IMO, a purely political play that borders on the absurd

I feel the same way about Barack Obama. Unfortunately, Democrats want him to be President, not just VP.

ABC News' Teddy Davis and Paul Fidalgo Report: While speaking at a Capitol Hill press conference to promote the Democrats’ plan to toughen Senate ethics rules, Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., took a dig at Sen. Barack Obama's, D-Ill., relative inexperience and overexposure.

"I would like to turn to Senator Obama who has been working on this issue for many years, but can't seem to get any attention from the press in general," said Feingold as a smiling Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., looked on.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit....html

Shortly after the Obama camp announced that Sen. Joe Biden (Del.) would take the second spot on the Democratic ticket, McCain spokesman Ben Porritt said that “there has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience than Joe Biden.

http://demconvention.thehill.c...90/74/

WASHINGTON, Feb 25 (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton called rival Barack Obama a risky choice to lead U.S. foreign policy even as Obama gained ground in the battleground U.S. states of Ohio and Texas on Monday.

http://www.reuters.com/article...80225

Just been going down the Google list. Lots more where that came from.

[Jesda]

Two words: "Fairy tale"

Criticizing McCain is almost too easy, and I do it daily. But criticizing McCain while trying to talk up Obama... I can't even process that level of damaged logic.

[HashiriyaS14]

The normally conservative Wall Street Journal slammed McCain today for "inaccurate and unpresidential" comments about the nation's current economic situation.

http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn....cain/

This goes a little off-base from my "GOP people deriding Palin pick" theme, but it's not every day that you see the WSJ beat up on a Republican Presidential candidate. They must really think he's a rube.

And yes, I know Jack Cafferty is wildly partisan and liberal, but ultimately he's just quoting the WSJ's words.

[AZhitman]

...and yet, STILL no comment from the WSJ about all the Dems that got rich over the past 8 years...

...still no talk about the Dems that blocked attempts to rein in easy credit...

...still no discussion of GWB and JM's attempts to do something about the free-and-loose credit feast.

Crappy journalists picking the low-hanging fruit.

[audtatious]

The normally conservative Wall Street Journal slammed McCain today for "inaccurate and unpresidential" comments about the nation's current economic situation.

Yeah, McCain made some stupid comments while trying to show he is not McSame. I just shook my head....

[Jesda]

Richest member of Senate is John Kerry. And I give him props for being a successful guy. You'd think the media would be hounding him though.

[HashiriyaS14]

Crappy journalists picking the low-hanging fruit.

LOL, yeah, but these are YOUR crappy journalists. This isn't the New York Times or the Washington Post here. The WSJ practically has red ink.

I was just pointing out that, given their long, long history of being a conservative paper, they must have been pretty unimpressed by Mac's actions to call him out so voraciously.

I'm not saying whether it was right or wrong, I'm just saying that it's unusual.

[AZhitman]

Richest member of Senate is John Kerry. And I give him props for being a successful guy.

Ummmm, successful?

More like well-married.

[HashiriyaS14]

Oops, here are some more.

1.) Kathleen Parker:

http://politicalticker.blogs.c...says/

2.) Mike Huckabee

http://politicalticker.blogs.c...says/

[Jesda]

Ummmm, successful?

More like well-married.

And Theresa is wealthy for good reason. Hunts sucks.

[srellim234]

Arizona shares a border with Mexico AND Heinz makes a ketchup label in Spanish. I guess that qualifies Cindy as a foreign policy expert in a Republican administration.

[AZhitman]

So, what's the Cindy McCain / Theresa Heinz-Kerry connection?

C'mon, Steve - If you're gonna go long, at least throw the ball in the right direction.

[srellim234]

100% my mistake. I was near the computer playing chess with my nine year old, dolls with my six year old and went brain dead. Does Cindy make a "cerveza" label?

[AZhitman]

Chillin' with the chilluns is a 100% valid excuse, my man.

Not that I'm aware of... I have a feeling she's somewhat of a "teetotaller" given her stint with painkillers.

However, you weren't TOO off base - Her family fortune IS from beverage distribution (Hensley & Co., I believe).

[wingFeather]

EDITED BY HASH: You want to complain, email me, don't post in an unrelated thread.

[HashiriyaS14]

Here's another George F. Will article:

http://www.realclearpolitics.c....html

[HashiriyaS14]

Here are a few more.

Christopher Buckley:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/b...obama

David Frum:

http://www.nationalpost.com/na...56704

David Brooks:

http://www.iht.com/articles/20...s.php

Looks like the ticket has, in summary, lost the following people:

-Christopher Buckley-George F. Will-David Frum-Kathleen Parker-Mike Huckabee-David Brooks-Chuck Hagel-Orrin Hatch-KARL F**KING ROVE

Furthermore, National Journal did a poll of insiders and strategists (anonymous), that came to the conclusion that EIGHTY PERCENT of the polled conservatives believe that McCain is going to get crushed. From the comments, many seem to believe he deserves it: http://www.nationaljournal.com..._6542

You guys are running out of respectable conservative columnists who don't hate Sarah Palin. Many of them don't seem so hot on McCain either.

I hope you guys are ready to lose

[ishkabibble]

Bill Kristol, too.

[SteveTheTech]

I am sure in small red circles there is a consensus on the decision of Macs people about his wise choice. Since Reds are encouraged to "vote their values" they should not stray from the general party interests. There are always issues with candidates from other people on both sides of the isle. It's the down side of our only two (legitimate) party system.

When it comes to credentials Palin sorely lacks the skills required to lead this country in a forward direction. As for Bidens experience in Washington it should show him how things actually work, politics is an ugly game. Which is something that no campaign will actually acknowledge during an election year. IMO People have this magical fantasy that a new president will actually change things as a whole and it will be rainbows and sunshine. The reality is not so pretty, we are in a serious hole and who will actually deliver on what they say?

Look even one party cannot agree on something, how will they ever get anything done or when will they start doing something productive?

EDITAnd all this on a page with a header and footer of Mac/Palin how perfect. LOL, NICO the new Fox News, fair and balanced I guess someone needs to pretend since they all but admit their bias.

[Jesda]

Since this thread has returned...Why should I care if liberals or conservatives are united behind their leaders?

Let me know when they're united in favor of small and limited government.

This thread is just a jerk session for one side to say "But you guys are fractured!" while the other replies with the same. I hope both parties continue to become less and less united, as both are hell-bent on spending more, doing what they shouldn't, and taking more of my money.

[themadscientist]

It's happening and it's a good thing. It won't matter this election and likely not the next but maybe in 2016 we will get truly competetive third party.

[telcoman]

ILook even one party cannot agree on something, how will they ever get anything done or when will they start doing something productive?

You will begin to see the rapid change when the democrats control the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives after November 4th and the misfit unqualified Republicans that have so destroyed this country during the past 8 years are gone.

Telcoman