Republican Obstructionalism. I mean Patriotism.

[heliochrome85]

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010 ... extension/

[IBCoupe]

I still say they should all be let to expire.

[heliochrome85]

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010 ... =thecaucus

[bigbadberry3]

Geez.... this 2 party system is f****n broken.

[stebo0728]

I still say they should all be let to expire.

Increased taxes in a time of recession....brilliant, brilliant in that "throw water on a grease fire" sorta way

[heliochrome85]

I still say they should all be let to expire.

Increased taxes in a time of recession....brilliant, brilliant in that "throw water on a grease fire" sorta way

decreasing government revenue in a time of unprecedented deficit... brilliant, brilliant in that "throw water on a grease fire" sorta way

[stebo0728]

sorry but watch the revenue levels drop when you raise these rates, then come back with that argument later....it wont hold water

[heliochrome85]

what? will people be making less money suddenly? Unless they suddenly make less money, revenue will increase substantially.

i did find it funny that for all their talk, the GOP did ultimately kill their NO EARMARK ban.

[stebo0728]

no people will not make less money, they will shelter it differently, future decisions will be made that will cause decreases in revenue. We went through all this in about 3 different threads over the past month so Im not gonna re-hash it again. Theres a differing of opinion on it, but I think historical statistics speak for themselves...

Not to mention, the additional spike in unemployment that will result from the increased tax burden on small businesses....

As i said earlier, increasing tax rates in a time of recession is not too bright....

[heliochrome85]

no people will not make less money, they will shelter it differently, future decisions will be made that will cause decreases in revenue. We went through all this in about 3 different threads over the past month so Im not gonna re-hash it again. Theres a differing of opinion on it, but I think historical statistics speak for themselves...

Not to mention, the additional spike in unemployment that will result from the increased tax burden on small businesses....

As i said earlier, increasing tax rates in a time of recession is not too bright....

you really think those people will suddenly find jobs? where are the jobs now with the taxes low?

[stebo0728]

i didnt say the currently unemployed were going to miraculously find jobs, i said we are going to see even more people finding themselves unemployed

the jobs now are being held, well rather, the expansions and future plans that would create these jobs are being held, because theres no way for a smart business man to know what the economic climate is going to be, even in the near future, with this current administration, which is wholely unfriendly to capitalistic endeavors; an administration that believes that the public sector is superior to the private sector in every way, and administration that abhors profit, and administration that presses redistribution of wealth at every turn. THATS where our jobs are, once the economic climate gets some stability, and some symbolence of a positive attitude toward innovation and entrepreneurship, then maybe businesses will feel comfortable enough to take the risks involved in creating new jobs

[wingFeather]

The thread title is misleading once again Heliochrome. What fail...

[stebo0728]

The thread title is misleading once again Heliochrome. What fail...

I wouldnt say that, I fully expected the left to view this tactic as obstructionalism. I dont agree that it is, but I expected to see that sentiment...

[AppleBonker]

Ah, to be eight again. You wont let me sit with you at lunch, so I'm going to steal your kickball at recess and punt it over the fence so no one can play. That way everyone can be pissed rather than just some...

[stebo0728]

Ah, to be eight again. You wont let me sit with you at lunch, so I'm going to steal your kickball at recess and punt it over the fence so no one can play. That way everyone can be pissed rather than just some...

Its called redistribution of rage

[audtatious]

Let's keep the tax cuts and then keep the spending levels the same as the last couple years.

Better yet....

Keep the tax cuts, increase spending, tax those making over 250k/yr at 80%!!!!!!!

[stebo0728]

Let's keep the tax cuts and then keep the spending levels the same as the last couple years.

Better yet....

Keep the tax cuts, increase spending, tax those making over 250k/yr at 80%!!!!!!!

Sounds like we are a bunch of economic lemmings there...

[audtatious]

I'm just supporting the Democrat value system

[heliochrome85]

I'm just supporting the Democrat value system

no such thing exists. that would require a spine, which the democrats are unable to grow.

[audtatious]

Well, hell. You got me there.

hehehe

[bigbadberry3]

So no tax cuts are better than some tax cuts?

[audtatious]

So no budget cuts are better than some budget cuts?

lolwut?

[bigbadberry3]

At least BOTH SIDES are starting to take it seriously http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 05968.html

[audtatious]

Without cuts to medicaid, welfare and adjustments to Social Security it ain't gonna help that much. A start is a start at least.

[IBCoupe]

I still say they should all be let to expire.

Increased taxes in a time of recession....brilliant, brilliant in that "throw water on a grease fire" sorta way

Hey, man, the greatest criticism for not doing anything about the tax cut expiration has been, for the longest time, that businesses face all kinds of uncertainty, and they can't act until they know how they will be affected.

Well, here's some fuggin certainty, asswipes.

We can't afford to make them permanent, and kicking the can down the road won't alter behavior. Better to rip it off like a band-aid.

[audtatious]

We need to penalize those who are successful as they were born with the "hard work = earn money = rich" gene

(yes, it exists....they have just not mapped it yet)

[stebo0728]

Hey, man, the greatest criticism for not doing anything about the tax cut expiration has been, for the longest time, that businesses face all kinds of uncertainty, and they can't act until they know how they will be affected.

Well, here's some fuggin certainty, asswipes.

We can't afford to make them permanent, and kicking the can down the road won't alter behavior. Better to rip it off like a band-aid.

I see your "we cant afford to extend them" and up it a "we cant afford NOT TO extend them"

Yes there is uncertainty, and alot of it hinges on these tax cuts, and what it means about the current administration as to whether they are extended or not. Extend them, business proceed with some endeavors here. Dont extend them, they take their business elsewhere, or cut back their endeavors.

Worse yet, all these "millionaires and billionaires", yeah the ones who actually took the financial risk to get off the couch and BE SOMETHING, ya they will not be the one to suffer the loss of the cuts, they will simply cut some employment to compensate.

[heliochrome85]

We need to penalize those who are successful as they were born with the "hard work = earn money = rich" gene

(yes, it exists....they have just not mapped it yet)

we do, its called a bris.

[audtatious]

You are just jealous.

[stebo0728]

Wow that speech last night, combined with the follow up today rather reminded me of the scene in Black Sheep with Chris Farley tumbling down the hill, stopping mid way, only to fall the rest of the way down