Republican Obstructionalism. I mean Patriotism.

[heliochrome85]

Wow that speech last night, combined with the follow up today rather reminded me of the scene in Black Sheep with Chris Farley tumbling down the hill, stopping mid way, only to fall the rest of the way down

cryptic enough?

[stebo0728]

Wow that speech last night, combined with the follow up today rather reminded me of the scene in Black Sheep with Chris Farley tumbling down the hill, stopping mid way, only to fall the rest of the way down

cryptic enough?

Well....I could scramble it with an AES Key if you like, that would make it slightly more cryptic...

[audtatious]

cryptic enough?

Well....I could scramble it with an AES Key if you like, that would make it slightly more cryptic...

I think he means to ask ...

What speech are you talking about ...

??

[stebo0728]

Oh haha, the Obama tax cut capitulation speeches

[heliochrome85]

Oh haha, the Obama tax cut capitulation speeches

see the thing is, obama just outsmarted the whole republican establishment. so, kinda shoots your capitulation characterization in the foot. GO YOU! YOU WIN!
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/t ... ucker.html
http://www.slate.com/id/2277044/
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/7 ... bargaining

i find it amusing that the very people who sat around and cried for their mandate against the overspending obama, just WON by FORCING OBAMA TO INCREASE THE DEFICIT BY SUPPORTING THEIR DEMANDS.

[IBCoupe]

Stebo, I didn't say we couldn't afford to extend them, I said we couldn't afford to make them permanent. Does that change your response?

And I'm still not seeing how pushing off the uncertainty to a year or two away actually will create any "certainty" now great enough to actually hire people (for, y'know, more than six months at a time?), which is the whole point of giving cash to the wealthy.

[audtatious]

Republicans should be much more like their Dem counterparts who help US companies receive stimulus moniez...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40565987/ns ... ing_green/

Oh...wait! Money goes overseas (again) and no jobs here. Awesome!!!!

[stebo0728]

Stebo, I didn't say we couldn't afford to extend them, I said we couldn't afford to make them permanent. Does that change your response?

And I'm still not seeing how pushing off the uncertainty to a year or two away actually will create any "certainty" now great enough to actually hire people (for, y'know, more than six months at a time?), which is the whole point of giving cash to the wealthy.

Exactly my point as to why they should be extended permanently, that is where your certainty comes from, I agree the extension is good but it does not completely resolve the uncertainty felt by businesses right now

[stebo0728]

Oh haha, the Obama tax cut capitulation speeches

see the thing is, obama just outsmarted the whole republican establishment. so, kinda shoots your capitulation characterization in the foot. GO YOU! YOU WIN!
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/t ... ucker.html
http://www.slate.com/id/2277044/
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/7 ... bargaining

i find it amusing that the very people who sat around and cried for their mandate against the overspending obama, just WON by FORCING OBAMA TO INCREASE THE DEFICIT BY SUPPORTING THEIR DEMANDS.

Sorry but they didnt force him to extend the deficit. No one is pulling his leg to go ahead and spend that proposed 700 billion anyway regardless of the tax break status.

And I have to say, my opinion still stands that this administration is beginning to crumble.

[wingFeather]

I'm just supporting the Democrat value system

no such thing exists. that would require a spine, which the democrats are unable to grow.

Let it be known that I have agreed with Heliochrome. The world can end now.

[stebo0728]

And remember those republicans that are going to have to "sit at the back of the bus"? Seems they are DRIVING the bus now, and not even in office yet!

[bigbadberry3]

At least some Dems are now saying no. I wasn't sure if they had that in their vocab for the pat 2 years.

[IBCoupe]

Exactly my point as to why they should be extended permanently, that is where your certainty comes from, I agree the extension is good but it does not completely resolve the uncertainty felt by businesses right now

But we can't actually afford to make them permanent.

[IBCoupe]

And remember those republicans that are going to have to "sit at the back of the bus"? Seems they are DRIVING the bus now, and not even in office yet!

Not exactly. President Obama got unemployment benefits and twice as many tax cuts for the middle and lower classes as the Republicans did for the upper income folks.

Why the Democratic Party has gone into full derp mode, I'll never know.

[audtatious]

Because the Dems want what they want and are not willing to give a courtesy reach around.

I think the GOP is stupid for agreeing to the bill in the first place as the UI entitlement extension will increase the deficit.

[stebo0728]

Exactly my point as to why they should be extended permanently, that is where your certainty comes from, I agree the extension is good but it does not completely resolve the uncertainty felt by businesses right now

But we can't actually afford to make them permanent.

We cant afford it only because they are hell bent on spending that 700 billion anyway.

[audtatious]

Yeah, I believe that's what the GOP has agreed to, that the UI extension comes from left over stimulus money.

[srellim234]

What "left over money'?" It never existed in the first place!

[IBCoupe]

Because the Dems want what they want and are not willing to give a courtesy reach around.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS-NGey-FC0[/youtube]

[audtatious]

Nice. Do you still have their posters on your wall next to your ballet slippers?

[Jesda]

The government's done such a GREAT job managing its finances, we should reward it with MORE.

[audtatious]

because throwing money at problems without thinking has historically shown to be a valid solution.