reason for a swap?

[1996N1ss@n240SX]

my engine just blew....meaning fire shot out the hood when a valve broke and fell down into pistons...i dont know the damage yet...takeing it to a shop today....but is this a good enough reason for a swap or should i just rebuild my motor?

[blacksrjdm]

U have to decide that and no one else can. Sounds to me like it would be a good time to swap, but, that is an answer only you can come up with. Your threads are pretty terrible and indecisive. You are in the wrong hobby.

[1996N1ss@n240SX]

U have to decide that and no one else can. Sounds to me like it would be a good time to swap, but, that is an answer only you can come up with. Your threads are pretty terrible and indecisive. You are in the wrong hobby.

i must say...that hurts ...what would you do...and how much more would a swap b than a complete rebuild....none of which i will b doing...because i dont have the skills or time to do so, because this is my DD

[killernoodle]

A dropped valve usually does the following:

Bends rod(s)Destroys piston(s)Damages headScores borePossibly more nasty things

That being said, its not worth rebuilding a KA (or even an SR) with that much damage. Its cheaper and easier to get a new one to build on.

[1996N1ss@n240SX]

still there is a money issue,i more than likely have the money for a rebuild, NOT for a new motor,no way i would b able to get a new motor in time to put in and do everything to it in time. THIS is my DD...im not looking for a quick fix just a permanant one...i dont know if i even wanna turbo it yet

[blacksrjdm]

You are clueless. You need to figure out where you are with the engine you have and then make an assumption as to what to do next. If you cant rebuild it then buy another KA for 200 bucks somewhere. DO some damn research and see what you can afford. Why ask questions if you are just going to have rebuttles for any suggestions we make. If you can afford a rebuild, then you can most likely afford an SR swap and at the very least afford another KA. Do you think it is going to be cheap to rebuild an engine that spit a valve? You seem to know nothing about engines, and even less about engines that go into 240s. You also have to factor in time. If this is your daily then how long are you going to be out of a car for a rebuild. I know a swap would probably take less time. Do some research and see where you stand. You need to decide these things. We cannot, and we dont know what kind of funds you are working with, what kind of shop your car is at, if they are capable of swapping a JDM engine into your car.

You have alot to consider before making this thread, and you are just looking for what we would do???? We are not you and therefore cannot make your decisions for you.

[1996N1ss@n240SX]

You are clueless. You need to figure out where you are with the engine you have and then make an assumption as to what to do next. If you cant rebuild it then buy another KA for 200 bucks somewhere. DO some damn research and see what you can afford. Why ask questions if you are just going to have rebuttles for any suggestions we make. If you can afford a rebuild, then you can most likely afford an SR swap and at the very least afford another KA. Do you think it is going to be cheap to rebuild an engine that spit a valve? You seem to know nothing about engines, and even less about engines that go into 240s. You also have to factor in time. If this is your daily then how long are you going to be out of a car for a rebuild. I know a swap would probably take less time. Do some research and see where you stand. You need to decide these things. We cannot, and we dont know what kind of funds you are working with, what kind of shop your car is at, if they are capable of swapping a JDM engine into your car.

You have alot to consider before making this thread, and you are just looking for what we would do???? We are not you and therefore cannot make your decisions for you.

dude take a chill, your right i dont know much about engines thats why i come to this forum to see what i can learn...it will be at a nissan DEALERSHIP...im pretty sure they know the engines better than anyone...d!ck...i might not want a swap...or may not be able to find one in the time allowed...i dont care about the money its my DD i can manage the rebuild and besides a rebuild will be running better than any other used engine i get for cheap that will just need a rebuild down the f***ing road take a f***ing chill, i was asking what you would do so i can get other sides of the spectrum your being of no help and can go f*** your dog for all i care

[blacksrjdm]

See...Clueless. The engine will get rebuilt at a Nissan stealership....HAHAHA you will get raped. And no they arent going to swap a JDM engine. Have you gotten a quote from the dealer on a rebuild??? I work at a Nissan dealer and you would be looking at around $5000 for a KA rebuild depending on what it needs. If you want to know more about engines then search. You need to. The dealership is THE most expensive route you could have gone, that is for certain. You said money was an issue, therefore YOU need to decide which is the best route for you...we cannot do that, no matter how many different things other people have done in your situation, your situation is different. For starters, not to many of us take our 240s to the dealer for an engine rebuild. Unless you have a lack of sense.

I say you wait until the dealership gives you an estimate to decide what and where you would like done to the car. A rebuild isnt going to be very fast, although buying a used KA for 200 bucks and installing it in your driveway or parking lot with a couple of friends is probably what most of us would do. Taking to the dealership for a rebuild...waste of money and time.

You seem to know all and are not open to suggestion, therefore, I suggest letting the dealership rape you for the rebuild for that is what you deserve.

[1996N1ss@n240SX]

there is no way in hell it will b 5K...i will get an estimate, then another then another, i dont want another used KA just to break again, get off my thread i cant do that s*** to my engine like most people with a 240, but damnit it will get f***ing done

[blacksrjdm]

...it will be at a nissan DEALERSHIP...im pretty sure they know the engines better than anyone...

Just priceless... You just keep thinking like this, and everything will be just fine...HAHAHAHA LOL

When you get the bill and your because you spent way way way way way too much, make another thread about it so everyone can have a nice

[blacksrjdm]

there is no way in hell it will b 5K...i will get an estimate, then another then another, i dont want another used KA just to break again, get off my thread i cant do that s*** to my engine like most people with a 240, but damnit it will get f***ing done

So then have the dealership rebuild it so you can break the rebuilt one and spend more...

[1996N1ss@n240SX]

only reason why i broke this one was because when i bought the car it needed a valve job to begin with...i didnt get it in time..planned on it this week....and the thurs night it blew...so on me for waiting to long

[SR24DET]

First, the dealer doesn't know the KA better then most of us do. The dealer near where I live knows the basics about 240's, but when they work on them even there mechanics bust out the books. Also, Black was right as far as the dealer being the most expensive place to go. You keep asking what would we do, well black was right on that again. We would get help from friends and swap a new used engine in ourselves.

Now, on to the nice-ness. Your 2 options are a rebuild, or another used engine. You said you couldnt do that to your 240, but do what. I put another used engine in my 240 and I beat the hell out of it and it still runs in tip top shape. If you want a layout of what will be better in the long run, a rebuilt KA is the best. If you want to know what would be cheaper, and faster, that would be a engine swap. It takes 1 day to swap another KA in. It will take a while to rebuild your KA. If you have the money to do a rebuild, do it. That will be better in the end, just not cheaper, nor faster.

[blacksrjdm]

So have the dealership rebuild it then. Normally when an engine spits a valve it is easy and painless to rebuild at the dealership, so I wich you luck sir.

[1996N1ss@n240SX]

is it easy?...unless it broke a piston....i already know its gonna b anywhere from 600-1500$....to bore and s***....ughhh...this car ive had for 3 weeks and already put 1000$ in parts into it...and thanks for the HELPFUL infosr24det

[VRoy]

wow......anyway i going to give my 2 cents take it or leave it. Me and a buddy picked up a 5spd for his swap that had a KADE still attached, guy said it had a dropped valve and didnt want to bust the bell houseing bolts so we just throw it in the truck and took it home. Well open further inspection, the cam had snapped scaring the head so bad it was trash(had to buy another for 150 of craiglist). Then once the head was off we found that the valve had gone THROUGH #4 piston. That which in turn scared the cyl. wall so bad we had to bore the block over .20 and buy up size pistons(make sure you know if you have to do this before ordering) along with the complete rebuild kit. To give you a idea on cost, we did everything but the machine shop work(bore, deck, dipped, etc.), which still cost us around 1k(and we have a very good machine shop with great rates) with OUT the rebuild kit. That alone is another 300-400 more, if you want something other then a OEM rebuild kit the cost can go up alot. We built and installed the motor saving us a few bucks that a shop would have charged(at least 200 for a machine/engine shop to built your short block). Oh and we learn some valuable lessons also. One major one is being respectful on NICO, its the best information source for our chassis on the internet. You might want to keep that in mind if this is something you are really prepared to tackle.

[NISSAN240SX12]

i can understand that you don't want to install a used engine. but if thats all you have to run with. than thats all you got. when checking out a used engine look for ovious problems. open the valve cover and check to see if the head looks clean not like dirty oil has been running in it. you can perform a cold compression test thats if the engine is on a engine stand. hook up the starter to a good charged battery. or do a leak down test. if the numbers look good than use the engine. KA engines are good engines and they can last a long time. Taking it to the dealer is going to be very expensive. it will be cheaper at other places but you still looking at a couple thousand dollars easy... good luck.

[1996N1ss@n240SX]

thank you...where as i live in the worst place to live in i dont have those resources....i dont have a machine shop to use dont know any friends besides one who can help and even then the rebuild together would take us weeks because im in school full time and hes work full time...i just hope nothing majorly bad happened we will find out today when they take it apart

[blacksrjdm]

Your in Naples Fl and are having trouble finding resources for your 240sx. Florida is like the home for modded 240s. Most people down there swap them because there are no emmisions laws there. I really feel like you need to get out there, off the internet, and see whats around you down there. Meet some people, make friends, this hobby is all about what you know and what you can accomplish for yourself. Make your car the best you can. Friends are a great resource to have in a situation such as this. Without question though, making excuses isnt going to get the car fixed any faster either.

[1996N1ss@n240SX]

i have one friend with a 240 and his is currently under repair....user name Redsubdivions, all my other friends own scions or trucks or mustangs, or like me other hondas...yes there are a lot of 240s out here...all in miami orlando or gainsville...non within 100 miles of naples...look on a map

[PorkChopExpress]

im going to say $3200 for a new ka24 from nissan. this is fun, anyone else wanna guess. we should make a pool.

[1996N1ss@n240SX]

im going to say $3200 for a new ka24 from nissan. this is fun, anyone else wanna guess. we should make a pool.

not looking for a new one just looking to rebuild my current one...give me excuses to do stuff and paint it and put more better parts in i couldnt do myself

[blacksrjdm]

Try more like KA24DE long block part# 10102-70FH0 is $5843.24. I work in parts at a Nissan dealer. Then about $1400 labor and 14.3 hrs to remove and replace here at $98 an hour.

To rebuild, you are looking at 30.7 hours and I highly doubt that the dealer will want to rebuild that engine. 30.7 hrs is $3008.60. These are raw facts taken from the "motors" labor rates guide and Nissan parts and service departments. Also, the technician can add time for broken bolts, mounts, or anything else that should be replaced while the engine is out.

I really wasnt trying to be a d!ck, just trying to get you to understand that rebuilding that engine is going to cost you alot. And for the money, you can find a used KA24DE engine, that could very well outlast the rebuild on the engine you have now.

Modified by blacksrjdm at 8:53 AM 9/21/2009
Modified by blacksrjdm at 8:56 AM 9/21/2009

[VRoy]

Any friend you have that can turn a wrench can help. They really are not all that complicated to work on. Hell my buddies G/F with no knowledge what so ever was a huge help to us installing the engine, she hooked up the engine harness herself(she even searched NICO herself). HAH we made her a little to knowledgeable, she stole his driveshaft bolts the other day to get him back for a prank lmao.

[PorkChopExpress]

lol 5900.

to the OP, if you wanna be cool, get a sr. if you wanna get to work buy a used working ka locally.

[1996N1ss@n240SX]

once again...NOT MAKEING EXCUSES...just time is a factor..and if i dont have to do it myself cuz i really cant...not enough sunlight from time when i get home to do it...and my garage cant even fit a bike in it...so no place...i have the tools though

[Uberck]

I work in parts at a Nissan dealer.

You said that probably seven times now, want a cookie?

[blacksrjdm]

You said that probably seven times now, want a cookie?

Your another clueless fool on here. Hey how many noob threads you gonna make anyway?

[PorkChopExpress]

i love this forum.

[fiznowler]

You said that probably seven times now, want a cookie?

Everyone has also told the op the same damn thing 20 times. Maybe he was trying to convince the guy to save some money and he knew how much it would cost because he worked for nissan. Sometimes when people don't want to hear things you have to pound it into their feeble brains. So take your cookie and shove it up your @$$.