Really GM REALLY????

[seang]

I guess it is more forgivable and more sane than the plastic caliper pistons GM tried to save weight with back in the fuel crisis.

[Jesda]

My 1992 Cadillac Seville is at 191k. Feels good, man.

Unlike my two Q45s, its still on its original transmission.

[wingFeather]

I guess it is more forgivable and more sane than the plastic caliper pistons GM tried to save weight with back in the fuel crisis.

Never heard of this & neither has Google... do you have any links so I could read up on it?

[Infinitiguy19]

Still I would take any GM car over ANY Toyota for the reason I like my life and don't want to die because the pedal got stuck.

[seang]

Never heard of this & neither has Google... do you have any links so I could read up on it?

I guess they weren't the only ones who thought of it : http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en ... bdd4248ff3

I can't find that original article I read that in, it was serioulsy over a year ago I just remembered what I read somehow. If they work and are as widely used as the many links that turned up on the Google search, I might have to retract my statement about them not being sane, maybe.

[Encryptshun]

Still I would take any GM car over ANY Toyota for the reason I like my life and don't want to die because the pedal got stuck.

You mean the safety issue that was 1% truth and 99% opportunistic bandwagoneering/media exploitation?

[seang]

You mean the safety issue that was 1% truth and 99% opportunistic bandwagoneering/media exploitation?

That is the basis of this thread anyways.

[motoman399]

kouki owners

dont be jealous ZENKI OWNER. haha jk

kouki owners

i had a whole reply set up in my head, but everything has been covered already.

240 kids...if it isnt nissan, it's crap

edit - not you tita

umm ya except i love domestics.. so you must not be talking about me. in fact i own two!

What else are they supposed to do? These aren't off-the-shelf parts GM ordered on ebay. They're Brembos designed for the Camaro. The Camaro is designed for the Brembos. You don't just say "hey, look, a minor, non-functional defect...let's just grab one of the other boxes we have on the shelf that fits and meets the same performance specs for the Camaro SS." Because there aren't other boxes. The Brembos are THE part. If there's a serious issue, you do a recall, or retrofit, but if it's something minor like that, you just fit what you've got and improve the next batch.

^This.

I deal with supplier quality issues every day and have for more years than I like to count. If it's a minor flaw, does not affect safety or overall product quality, it's not worth the cost of a recall and you get the supplier to implement an improvement plan. I guarantee you that the brakes were designed using GM specs (it would take joint product development to produce calipers like these), and there were obviously process errors on both sides if the design got blessed and rushed into production without proper testing. Finger-pointing would only result in both companies getting the finger.

that sounds a lot closer to the truth.

I guess it is more forgivable and more sane than the plastic caliper pistons GM tried to save weight with back in the fuel crisis.

i used to work at a brake shop, and we saw these all the time. many manufactures used them. i think it was so the caliper would last longer, not being able to rust.

My 1992 Cadillac Seville is at 191k. Feels good, man.

Unlike my two Q45s, its still on its original transmission.

good for you

Still I would take any GM car over ANY Toyota for the reason I like my life and don't want to die because the pedal got stuck.

seriously that might be the worst reply in the whole thread. the brake system never failed on all those toyota's. if the owners would push hard and firm on the pedal the vehicle would still come to a stop. and what about the EMERGENCY BRAKE that is cable actuated, you think it failed to?

[numbnuts240]

now are producing shotty craftsmanship.

actually, it's not shoddy craftsmanship, it's to reduce brake noise. there's no safety or performance issue. consumers are just whiny bishez and can't stand little things that are to be expected, like brake noise from a high performance brake system. it's why we have to have 80000000lb sports cars. americans are soft, it's pathetic.

[motoman399]

well you could be right about the owners being whiny bishez, but i still think there would have been a better solution to the wheel weights before the started putting them in production. i mean do you think the guys at gm looked at the brakes and said "that looks real nice" and actually meant it? people are paying big bucks for these cars that look ugly (personal opinion) and then to top it off they have some ugly a** wheel weights on there BREMBO BRAKES

[numbnuts240]

did you read through the thread? did you look at the original post dates?

[Infinitiguy19]

Still I would take any GM car over ANY Toyota for the reason I like my life and don't want to die because the pedal got stuck.

seriously that might be the worst reply in the whole thread. the brake system never failed on all those toyota's. if the owners would push hard and firm on the pedal the vehicle would still come to a stop. and what about the EMERGENCY BRAKE that is cable actuated, you think it failed to? [/quote]

Wait so if the owners pushed long and hard they would stop and some how avoid heating up the brakes??? And yeah the E-Brake will help to stop a vehicle going 50 MPH, try it and tell me what it does for you!

Nearly all of Toyota vehicles were recalled, A police officer died among many others. A police officer is very well trained when it comes to driving and he couldn't stop a Toyota. I want to see Toyota go out of business for the trash the have caused but that won't happen sadly.

1% truth and 99% opportunistic bandwagoneering/media exploitation?

I heard NASA had to get involved to fix Toyota problem and thats true otherwise Toyota would sue the piss out of the FOX because we are in sue happy AMERICA!

1% truth, if only!

[motoman399]

[quote="Paul Wall"]

Wait so if the owners pushed long and hard they would stop and some how avoid heating up the brakes??? And yeah the E-Brake will help to stop a vehicle going 50 MPH, try it and tell me what it does for you!

Nearly all of Toyota vehicles were recalled, A police officer died among many others. A police officer is very well trained when it comes to driving and he couldn't stop a Toyota. I want to see Toyota go out of business for the trash the have caused but that won't happen sadly.

yes i believe an ebrake can stop a car that is at full throttle at 50MPH. when i get my license back ill try it lol

also you think that all police officers are god or what. a lot of cops dont know jack s*** about cars. they are trained to write tickets.

just to prove that your wrong about the cop thing. i was driving on a highly traveled road and there was a sheriff car flipped on its side. i was the first one on the scene. he was not in a chase and was just driving the road. now if they are such good drivers, how the hell would he have flipped his car?

and numbnuts, no i didnt read all 27 pages of the thread. i read some of the first few and some of the last few, of which people were saying that they also had the weights.

[numbnuts240]

and numbnuts, no i didnt read all 27 pages of the thread. i read some of the first few and some of the last few, of which people were saying that they also had the weights.

first posts were back in april of last year. latest posts from last month stated that new pads with integrated weights were released to supersede the wheel weight solution. it was a quick fix to prevent brake squeal whiners until they could find a better solution. also, half of the posters didn't even realize they had them until they went to their cars and checked.

[motoman399]

i understand how the fixed the problem. i read that. what im saying is that there never should have been wheel weights in the first place. if anything they should have let them squeal and when the customer complained then they should have fixed them. there is much better ways to "fix" the problem than some wheel weights. dont you think they could have come out with the integrated weights in the first place.

do you think this is the first time they have tried to stop squealing brakes with integrated weights? i dont.

oh and ps. i have owned 2 zenki's lol and love them. so poo on you for the kouki owner comment!

[numbnuts240]

oh and ps. i have owned 2 zenki's lol and love them. so poo on you for the kouki owner comment!

[_b.jaye_]

if the owners would push hard and firm on the pedal the vehicle would still come to a stop. and what about the EMERGENCY BRAKE that is cable actuated, you think it failed to?

its not a matter of the brakes not working mechanically, but that, say your doing 85 on the interstate, and suddenly, the engine goes WOT. now, youve got to bring the car to a stop before the brakes catastophically overheat, (the pads & rotors. it wouldnt have anything to do with the driving system, be it hydralic or cable) which, when youve got the curb weight of the car, all its occupants & any other crap your haulin around with you PLUS every last ounce of power that weezing engine can pump out, coming to bear on them. its not too hard to think theyre gonna overheat to the point that the engine overpowers them & you start pickin up speed again before your ever anywhere near comin to a stop.

and as for this old arse news. (like stupid old. i had a guy sendin me links to threads on it close to a year ago.) guess you get what you pay for. sure its a lot of bank, but for the performance (straight-line maybe, but still) theyre pretty decent bargains in the world of new cars.

[motoman399]

^^^ seriously that is bs. the brakes are not going to "over heat" doing 85 (which is speeding in any state) at wot. it WILL stop the car no matter what. all that needs to be done is step on the friggin pedal.

[_b.jaye_]

eh, could be. you first.

[wingFeather]

Never heard of this & neither has Google... do you have any links so I could read up on it?

I guess they weren't the only ones who thought of it : http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en ... bdd4248ff3

I can't find that original article I read that in, it was serioulsy over a year ago I just remembered what I read somehow. If they work and are as widely used as the many links that turned up on the Google search, I might have to retract my statement about them not being sane, maybe.

The logic is sound, but perhaps the engineering was lacking. Who wouldn't want pistons with higher heat & decay resistance (and lighter weight)?

Too bad it didn't work out... maybe they'll look into ceramics one day. Who could have guessed 20 years ago that Ferrari would be offering ceramic brake discs these days? Could be interesting.

[Dana_15]

A police officer is very well trained when it comes to driving and he couldn't stop a Toyota.

This Police Officer had no clue how to shut the car off (the Lexus he was driving had a push button start) and for some reason didn't put the car into neutral but instead called 911. The Lexus he rented had the wrong floor mats in the vehicle, that model already had a recall from Toyota about the floor mats. The ones in that car were unsecured and a prior rentee complained about them.

Just throwing some truth out there....

[Infinitiguy19]

I never said that all police officers are perfect but I can tell you they are better than the average driver otherwise what do we pay them for?

A car will never stop from 50 MPH at Wide Open Throttle with the brakes fully depressed, can't happen! But if anyone wants to try it on a stock car by all means but I am not responsible for any damages incurred. I think Toyota should take that challenge with there overpriced copy (Exterior wise) LFA.

And why does Toyota make new cars so hard to use that a average person or a veteran police officer can't shut off?

Can we all just admit that Toyota f*** this up? Really they did because they thought they were top dog and could let quality slide for a little while and build crappy cars. Well let Toyota be a lesson to all the other automobile manufactures. Quality never takes a break!

[motoman399]

I never said that all police officers are perfect but I can tell you they are better than the average driver otherwise what do we pay them for?

we pay them to take crime out of the streets and to "serve and protect" not to drive

A car will never stop from 50 MPH at Wide Open Throttle with the brakes fully depressed, can't happen! But if anyone wants to try it on a stock car by all means but I am not responsible for any damages incurred. I think Toyota should take that challenge with there overpriced copy (Exterior wise) LFA.

you seriously think that the brakes are going to over heat from a 50 mph stop. i dont think so. unless your driving a 500+hp car with stock 240sx brakes its not going to happen. i am willing to bet $10 bux that the even the z06 corvette could stop in those circumstances! i think you need more driving practice.

[Infinitiguy19]

I never said that all police officers are perfect but I can tell you they are better than the average driver otherwise what do we pay them for?

we pay them to take crime out of the streets and to "serve and protect" not to drive

A car will never stop from 50 MPH at Wide Open Throttle with the brakes fully depressed, can't happen! But if anyone wants to try it on a stock car by all means but I am not responsible for any damages incurred. I think Toyota should take that challenge with there overpriced copy (Exterior wise) LFA.

you seriously think that the brakes are going to over heat from a 50 mph stop. i dont think so. unless your driving a 500+hp car with stock 240sx brakes its not going to happen. i am willing to bet $10 bux that the even the z06 corvette could stop in those circumstances! i think you need more driving practice.

1. If we don't pay them to be able to drive at highway speed when in pursuit then I am pulling to the nearest exit if I ever witness a chase.

2. I will take that bet because I know I will win. I say either the car will not stop in a safe distance or the brakes will have catastrophic failure and then $10 will seem very insignificant.

I remember in the Q45 forum there was a dispute from a long time member Maxnix and another person with a 2002 (F50) Q45. They were arguing about and engine lasting long when kept purposely at the rev limiter. No one ever did anything because what ever little money they received wouldn't buy them a new engine.

I don't waste my time posting lies or things I am not at least 99% sure one.

[Bubba1]

I
And why does Toyota make new cars so hard to use that a average person or a veteran police officer can't shut off?

Can we all just admit that Toyota f***** this up? Really they did because they thought they were top dog and could let quality slide for a little while and build crappy cars. Well let Toyota be a lesson to all the other automobile manufactures. Quality never takes a break!

Never underestimate the ignorance of the American driver. Does it surprise no one that so few of the people that experienced sudden full throttle and crashed didn't think to shift into neutral?

NHTSA recently stated that, in the unintended acceleration cases it has investigated thus far involving Toyotas, the sole cause was driver error.
The driver thought they were applying the brake but hit the gas instead.
They noted that this does not exonerate Toyota completely, asthey are still investigating but the problem does not appear to be as widespread as is being hyped by the press.

As info, this same problem and overhyping by the press happened in 1989 with the Audi 5000.

[Joe]

well you could be right about the owners being whiny bishez, but i still think there would have been a better solution to the wheel weights before the started putting them in production. i mean do you think the guys at gm looked at the brakes and said "that looks real nice" and actually meant it? people are paying big bucks for these cars that look ugly (personal opinion) and then to top it off they have some ugly a** wheel weights on there BREMBO BRAKES

think like an engineer/test driver. you drive the car, it works awesome, has minimal brake noise but its a performance car. its to be expected. done, produce the car.

now be a whiny american p**** WAA WAA MY BRAKES MAKE NOISE ON MY TRACK PACKAGE CAR THAT WILL NEVER GO ABOVE FREEWAY SPEEDS OR AROUND CORNERS FASTER THAN 40 WAA WAA FIX IT

a temp fix are the wheel weights to alleviate caliper vibrations. why is this so hard for you to grasp?

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Joe is right. They have wheel weights laying around that they can just fit onto the calipers somehow. They do NOT have a re-engineered brake pad just sitting around, with all of their tooling/suppliers ready to go and provide them with 50,000 at a moments notice. THINK McFLY!!!

Did Toyota make bad gas pedal assemblies? No, some supplier did... but they did put them on their cars, which did happen to kill a few stupid people that can't seem to grasp the concept of "neutral". Will your brakes stop you at WOT going 50? Maybe... will they stop a fully loaded car barreling down the road at 85 (regardless of if its illegal or not... it happens) at WOT? Probably not... but its possible. bishez would be ROASTED by that point though.

Would a ZO6 stop from 50 at WOT? I bet no... It would be extremely violent if it did... your back end would be burning rubber the whole damn time, and you'd be relying solely on your front brakes to stop the massive opposing forces from the rear. I guess it would depend on what gear you were in.

[Looneybomber]

well you could be right about the owners being whiny bishez, but i still think there would have been a better solution to the wheel weights before the started putting them in production. i mean do you think the guys at gm looked at the brakes and said "that looks real nice" and actually meant it? people are paying big bucks for these cars that look ugly (personal opinion) and then to top it off they have some ugly a** wheel weights on there BREMBO BRAKES

Sure, they could delay the rollout for a year and have all the cars sit on the lot unable to be sold due to the possible risk of brake noise and lose out on hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue while their sales are in the toilet. Oh wait, that would be more stupid than this thread.

Can you think of the big picture? Narrow minded domestic haters...

[Infinitiguy19]

Can you think of the big picture? Narrow minded domestic haters...

Thank the lord!

[Jesda]

Never underestimate the ignorance of the American driver. Does it surprise no one that so few of the people that experienced sudden full throttle and crashed didn't think to shift into neutral?

A decade ago I had a Sebring pull the unintended acceleration crap on me, just like the officer in the Toyota. In my case, the 2.5L Mitsubishi engine was no match for the disc brakes, which I burned up as I eventually came to a stop. I then put it in neutral and shut it off.

Yes, I could have put it in neutral, but THE GOD DAMN CAR SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE. And no, nothing in driver training covers that kind of event. I didnt know it was even possible, back then, to put a car in neutral at 90mph, nor did I know it was safer than mashing the brakes. Training teaches you what to do when the car won't stop, when the car slides, and when the car gets stuck in mud, snow, and wet grass. It doesn't cover what to do when the car just keeps moving -- in my case because of faulty cruise control.

What I was trained for, using the shoulder to avoid rear collisions when cresting a hill and checking my blind spot when changing lanes, I always did well.