Real R32gt gear ratio

[elwesso]

man shoot for the moon!!! A V6 camry or altima?

I thought maybe we'd try and try and beat like an M5 or something like that, but i guess the new camry is pretty unstoppable...

Dont worry Johnny you're not gonna teach something to someone who already knows everything!

[Johnny Rocket]

Wes.........you can have a cut for your time for this contest.

We will pay the $1000.00 in advance to Wes.

He will hold the money and get another $100.00 for his time.......so it will be $1100.00 ea

Ok? Deal?

So I am calling you out on this one...

[Johnny Rocket]

Just so you know 4 valve engines love turbos.....and as soo as I can figure out how I can get a couple of them in the car I will show you and easy 1000 HP.....

Put a 480le trans in the car and heat treat the axles to a different rockwell and it will hold up fine............the axles are very short and strong.

I just built a basically stock 6 cyl 4 valve out of a chevy truck....dual overhead cam inline 6 trailblazer and it made about 1400 hp

On a check out run with only 14 pounds of boost it was scarey fast...

Check out Utube for an inline turbo 6 cyl in a 66 nova station wagon...do a search and it will come up....

[Infinitiguy19]

Think you can link us?

[qship96]

Hey I will be willing to wager some money on the above statements?

Get whatever model of car you mentioned above and we will record the 0- to whatever time....Wes can time them......I will put $1000.00 on the Q...Just how sure are you?

My grand is how sure I am.....I need to make some easy money...so are we on?

I am comparing a STOCK, UNMODIFIED 90-96Q To a stock new v6 Accord, Altima,etc. Sure you can gut the old q of its stock drivetrain and build a rocket if one has the funds and inclination. Isnt your Q currently in stock condition that you are soo bragging that it would kill Wes's Q ???

[Infinitiguy19]

Obvliously a newer car V6 or V8 is going to be a little faster because of a 16 YEAR differnce, Alot can change in that time, But the Q45 is pretty well built and not far behind (Some would argue the Q45 is still ahead of new cars) new cars.

But as drag racer you should know that less weight yeilds a faster car, I mean sure 1000 HP is fast in 2 ton Q45 or a 1 ton 240SX but its all about the weight.

Unless you are building a sleeper (Stock looking yet fast car) , then I congradulate you because thats the kind of car I like.

Did'nt Wes tell you 4:08-4:54+ suck?

[Johnny Rocket]

I am comparing a STOCK, UNMODIFIED 90-96Q To a stock new v6 Accord, Altima,etc. Sure you can gut the old q of its stock drivetrain and build a rocket if one has the funds and inclination. Isnt your Q currently in stock condition that you are soo bragging that it would kill Wes's Q ???

my car is stock and unmodified?

[elwesso]

Did'nt Wes tell you 4:08-4:54+ suck?

common misconception, i never said they're no good, i just said for most people they're generally not worth the effort.

[qship96]

my car is stock and unmodified?

Then you are just an IDIOT.

[Johnny Rocket]

Ok I am an Idiot.........LMAO

Let me translate.....if you think a convertor and a gear is a modified car I would say you really dont know what modifications are.

How about shoving a modern 6 cy in an old chevy station wagon and then hanging a turbo on it......took a year of consturction.

A gear and a convertor to wake the old Q up is nothing...

You need to enjoy your car and quit telling me what I do and dont know.........

I am willing to put my money where your mouth is?.....Are you?

Now who is the idiot?

[qship96]

Gears ? Convertors? station Wagons? Turbo? Let me clarify what I said so you can better understand........I said a STOCK { that means as delivered from the manufacturer, without adding, swapping or subtracting parts}90-96 q45 is slower 0-60 mph than a brand new STOCK V6 Accord, Altima, Camry......if you cant grasp that, that would make it you who remains the idiot. Do a little research before making stupid claims.

[Johnny Rocket]

Gears ? Convertors? station Wagons? Turbo? Let me clarify what I said so you can better understand........I said a STOCK { that means as delivered from the manufacturer, without adding, swapping or subtracting parts}90-96 q45 is slower 0-60 mph than a brand new STOCK V6 Accord, Altima, Camry......if you cant grasp that, that would make it you who remains the idiot. Do a little research before making stupid claims.

Are your so called claims based on something you read? Sounds like it !

I doubt you have done any real world testing to see if your so called claim is true?

If you have not went out and tested these cars with a device that will do it with some precision.....then you should STFU

ANother idiot with no information except some magazine article etc.

[qship96]

I guess the multiple car magazine testing equipment, along with Motor Weeks and consumers reports equipment is less accurate than your ego?

I dont need to scale the Sears tower with a yard stick to state it is taller than the White House, do you?

So far you spout a lot of hot air around here, with nothing but a failed attempt at correctly purchasing a differential for your shiny new 17 year old prize.

Sad that the uneducated cant take advantage of the wealth of information available through research, reading, understanding, and utilizing information instead of always trying to reinvent the wheel from scratch.
Modified by qship96 at 4:53 PM 2/21/2009

[MinisterofDOOM]

Are your so called claims based on something you read? Sounds like it !

I doubt you have done any real world testing to see if your so called claim is true?

It's very true. Average cars are getting quick. 10 years ago a V6 Accord made 190hp. Today, a V6 Accord makes 250hp. It has been TWENTY YEARS since the Q was designed. The automotive world has not stopped moving since then. It shouldn't be remotely surprising (or embarrassing) that the Q gets outrun from a stop by Accords.

[qship96]

Yep look at a new Maxima or G35...0-60 in 5-6 seconds easy. Some hold on to inaccurate beliefs for some reason. Must be S.P.S.?

[Infinitiguy19]

I admit that the Q45 MAY be slow compared to todays cars, But with a single turbo Sijo got his Q45 to do 0-60 in 5 seconds and the 0-100 MPH to 10 seconds, And I think it can do the qtr mile in 11-12 seconds.

So with a upgraded torque converter and differntial I suppose you can shave 2 seconds maybe to get it to 9-10 seconds qtr mile time, which is better than any sedan today that I know of.

[qship96]

9-10 second quarter mile time in a g50 would need alot more than that!!!

Search rsiwickis old posts on his quest for speed in his ongoing q45 project- he had one of the fastest, best modded Q ever to grace this board.

[maxnix]

It shouldn't be remotely surprising (or embarrassing) that the Q gets outrun from a stop by Accords.

Only up to around 85 mph or so. Then the G50 runs away. Especially over 130 mph. Provided the Q is in as new condition, not some minimally maintained beater.

[MinisterofDOOM]

9-10 second quarter mile time in a g50 would need alot more than that!!!

Search rsiwickis old posts on his quest for speed in his ongoing q45 project- he had one of the fastest, best modded Q ever to grace this board.

It's actually mine now.

The fastest he ever managed was 14.25 (unless I'm mistaken). Which is pretty respectable considering it's still entirely livable and only a Q guru would be able to tell it isn't stock. It's my daily driver and only car.

[qship96]

Yes, 14.25 quarter is great for that car, and it took alot of hard work and $$$ to get it there and remain able to be used as a reliable daily driver- newbies somehow dont realize how difficult a task it is to achieve that.

[Infinitiguy19]

OK but with a Turbo sijho got his qtr mile time to 11-12 seconds max, for a bit more.

[Johnny Rocket]

Getting up into the torque range immediatley will be all that it takes to beat any of these cars of today.....gear and a converter a cheap way to make the G50 run with todays cars.........piece of cake.....

If you dont want to perform that small mod then stay on the porch with the little dogs...

So as far as I am concerned my car is still stock........

[Johnny Rocket]

No too many 4 valve v8's exist in camrys/aLtima/Maxima etc

Most of these so called fast modern cars as Mr. q calls them only have 6 cyls?

With that known fact I will tell you that the only thing that powers our cars is the power stroke of the internal combustion engine.

Thats right.......out of 4 cycles only one of them is any good. That only happens every two revolutions of the engine.

We call that the piston stroke that matters....A good engine builder would call that MEP strokes

Or Mean Effective Pressure....thats what really drives the wheels.....

Now imagine a 90 degree V8 and a 90 degree V6 every two revolutions on the power stroke of the four cycle engine.

The MEP is 25% less in the V6 engine.....two less cyl on the power stroke producing power.

So if you think for one moment an engine with 2 less power strokes is gonna kick a v8's a** your mistaken.

I raced a v6 for over 4 years with a full blown sponsership from Buick Motorsports........spent hundreds of hours on engine dynos with these v6 engines and I know what they can and could not do....they were lighter is all......never go close to the v8 engine.............plus they never could be balanced cause you cannot balance a V6 engine.

So bring on the Altima,s

You need to think alittle deeper next time.......or get your money out of your pocket and show up with one of these camrys or what have you next to my old turd on the street.

[elwesso]

From Moran and Shaprio's "Fundamentals of Engineering Thermodynamics, 6ED" pp 446 (paraphrased)

"MEP is the theoretical constant pressure that if acted on the piston during the power stroke would produce the same net work as actually developed in one cycle, or

MEP= net work for one cycle/displaced volume"

so of course an engine with the same power output but lower displacement volume would have a higher MEP. MEP is really another way to quantitatively compare engines on a theoretical basis, just like thermal efficiency. I dont see it having much relevance in practice because there are too many things that factor into it, which is why we use HP and torque to compare engines...

its kind of an intuitive approach to things in that it essentially says that if you increase COMPRESSION RATIO you dont need to have as high of a displacement volume to achieve the same power.

I dont want anyone to take this the wrong way, but people tend to throw around engineering terms without a firm grasp on their fundamental meaning, believe me I'm not calling anyone out but Ive seen it before.. They take fancy terms that no one understands in attempt to get people to listen to them..

[Trumpkin]

Yeah! What he said!All I know is my rear diff and tc rock compared to stock!

[MinisterofDOOM]

MEP is really another way to quantitatively compare engines on a theoretical basis, just like thermal efficiency. I dont see it having much relevance in practice because there are too many things that factor into it, which is why we use HP and torque to compare engines...

Exactly. There's a big gap between MEP and real-world speed/quickness. I'll always prefer V8s for their smoothness and broad, versatile rev-ranges. I always prefer a bigger N/A powerplant over forced induction, too. But the fact is that for speed/quickness alone, it doesn't matter HOW power is made, just that it's being made.

[jimbyjimb]

So the arguement is that a bigger, softer car with higher gear ratios will beat a lighter, crisper more aerodynamic car with only slightly less whell hp and lower gear ratios and 2 more gears overall for a similar final drive? I have never heard of a Q with a final gear and converter mod coming close to a 14 flat which is what many coupe V6 Nissans and Hondas will do today. I drove my friends factory stock 05 6-speed non-s-type TL into the 13's on a quarter mile run. It would still chirp the tires going into 4th gear. FACTORY STOCK. The 08 Accord makes almost the same amount of power in a lighter coupe body. This is a pretty stupid arguement. The fact is the Q doesn't even harness the power it does make as well as new vehicles do as it will make less power to the wheels percentage wise than any newer FWD car will. A car with a higher HP to weight ratio and lower starting gears wins every time, that is text book and real world. It's just a fact. I'm sorry that V6's today are replacing V8's of yesterday, it's just technology. Nobody is saying a VH45 can't be made to beat newer V6's, it certainly has the pontential with incredible block strength, 6 bolt mains and all forged internals, but out of the box, expecially tied to a power absorbing luxo 4 speed auto inside of a 4,000lb package it just won't unless some fairly serious mods are undertaken. And that's alot of effort with no aftermarket support. There are some Q's on this site much more modded than a rear gear and TC and even they won't hold it with a new V6 car over 25,000 dollars. Speaking of which, anyone seen the new Hyundai Gensis coupe? The Korean's are really starting to out-Japanese the Japanese...

[MinisterofDOOM]

Speaking of which, anyone seen the new Hyundai Gensis coupe? The Korean's are really starting to out-Japanese the Japanese...

There's a nice little shuffle going on.The Koreans are trying to be JapaneseThe Japanese are trying to be AmericanAnd the Americans are trying to be European.The Europeans are watching it all and laughing while they keep doing things the way they always have.

The Koreans are picking up the ball where the Japanese dropped it in an effort to move to more American-friendly bigger cars (at least in the US market).

Considering how badly all 3 of the big Japanese brands have lost their way lately, I'm glad to see someone trying to keep the old ways alive.

Maybe we'll get lucky and one of the Korean brands will build us a worthy Q successor while Nissan is farting around with 4 door GTRs and teenytinybarelyevensedan sedans.

[maxnix]

Don't forget it's really about area under the torque curve (not the calculated from peak torque HP number), weight, power train efficiency and gearing.

And FWD is more efficient, at least until you get into a corner or brake.

Anyone who improves the acceleration of the G50 with a VH45DE (except maybe Rsiwicki's headers) is going to have to lose some mpg efficiency, unless they adapt a 5 or 6 speed transmission.

[Johnny Rocket]

Well at least people are thinking........here is something to think about.....in an acceleration contest and driving hard into corners the last thing you want is a front wheel drive piece of Junk.......The auto companies so the public a bill of goods and have been fooling you all for years about how good they are.

Nothing will ever replace a rear wheel drive car unless your concerned about snow etc. It has been all about the cost...less working parts etc.

And if you really put sopme power to the Q it will handle it....nothing in a front wheel drive will.

No matter how you cut it....8 cyl are always going to be better than a vibrating un balanced v6. I will take the two more power strokes everytime if we are talking about performance.