rb25 with z32 ecu

Discuss the RB20, RB25 and RB26 series engines.
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eh? wrote:Double check your sources... swap sockets 112 and 114 if you want to use the RB20 ecu.
Double check your sources.

I have successfully run dozens of rb25s with rb20 ecu and never touched one wire.

A lot of the pinouts floating around on the net are wrong.


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koo sounds good to me. Jus glad to know i can use the ecu with out modifications, or very little. Anyway, its my first time hearing about nistune, but thats a whole nother journey im not going to venture yet. Thanks for the info.

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Kansei240sx wrote:Did you ever run the ECU as is with no chip?

What kind of chip is it that you're using with that Z32 ecu, and is it a DE or DETT
Stock TT ecu,no mod what so ever done to it except repinned.

i plugged it in to see what it would do with out repinning it and it had a slight miss,after i repinned the #112 & 114 it runs fine

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Fellas there is alot more to getting the Z32 ECU to work properly than to just run the car. We had the ecu running the car for over 2 years, before we stopped being lazy and worked on the car again.

After you complete the necessary Re-pinning of the RB Harness/ECM Connector. you need to do a few more little mods to make sure things are on the up and up.

In Conjunction with Ash-Spec Z Performance, we are basically going to have a "drop in" type of solution. We are waiting to goto the Dyno with our setup till we make any sort of package or announcement. But TS Fay has rained the piss out of us...

Off the top of my head:

02 Senors. Z32 has 2, RB has 1. You can split the signal coming from the Sensor into both inputs on the Z32 ECU. (remember to make sure you also ground it etc)

Fuel Temp Sensor Bypass. The Z32 has a Fuel temp sensor circuit. All you need to do is wire in a resistor (wired to a chassis ground) inline to bypass it.

Fuel Pump. Wire the fuel pump straight to a Power Source (preferably a battery) as the Z32 uses a secondary fuel pump controller to run mixed voltages to the pump. If you don't have the controller wired in. the fuel pump in many circumstances will not receive enough power to run at the right pressure/flow.

Try and get an earlier model 8-Bit ECU. Those are from the 300ZX TT from 90-94. And Non Turbo Z32 ECU's from 1990-1993. The other later model ones are 16-Bit, and will work, but at that point you have to install a daughter board and dual proms instead of the super easy Single prom in the 8 bit ecus. Which the RBB20's normally come with.

The reasons for the following additional corrections are simple. The VG has 2 o2 sensor inputs because the ECU runs it like two 3 cyl engines, during partial throttle conditions. You want to bridge the 02 sensor inputs mainly for partial throttle hawtness, and so your gas mileage doesn't suck balls. Also of course you run the greater risk of burning up one "bank" of clys quicker as it wont get the same amount of fuel as the others. etc.

The fuel temp sensor circuit is another of the "cold start" functionality. When the fuel temp is low the ecu thinks it needs to be in the warm up mode, so it dumps in a bunch of fuel to heat up the engine. Basically causing a rich condition at all points in the map till it gets warm. By bypassing the sensor the ECU thinks its already warmed up. So remember folks take it easy till the car warms up normally. But hey you should already be doing that shouldn't you?

If you have followed the other guides posted in this thread, coupled with these little guys, you should come back with Code 55 when you run the self-diagnostics. (code 55 = all clear) if you get anything else then you've got probs. That doesn't mean the car wont run, or you wont get a check engine light. alot of the Z32 codes will not produce a check engine light (assuming of course you wired the harness to also send signals to the dash plugs and diagnostic port) That is why running the ECU checks are critical.

Word Glad to see more peeps running the Z32 ECU. At the time our motorset didn't come with the ECU, only everything else. When we started examining it as compared to other nissan ECU's it just made sense to use the Z32. That and well we have so much experience decoding the z32 with our own cars. Oh and it helps that the leader of the Z32 ECM tuning and research is my best friend and lives a short distance from me in Florida. haha

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That^ makes me not even want to attempt it.

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The benefits of having a Nissan ECU vs anything else, are still the same.

dual octane maps (aka safety maps), limp home mode in case of ecu failure, control over all subsystems with strokes of a few keys etc. And effortless modifications due to the inherent qualities of the stock ECM. can't beat having it do the work for you when it comes to lots of different rpms and TP (theoretical pulsewidth) hawtness.

Once you wire it up,, you just buy a chip and be done with it. Its just that simple. If you really really want to constantly tune or change it then you can do any of the ecu modifiying options. Going Bikirom, Going Nistune, Going Zemulator.

but for us, we tune once on the street then on the dyno.. then just smooth it out and burn it to a rom. Target A/F is solid and igintion is smoothed out.. afterwards you

1. get in car2. drive car3. enjoy car

haha that's not everyone's stlye though.

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I just wish there was something like COBB's accessport for around the same price. I need/want something that's plug-n-play and that I can personally change.

Im super inexperienced when it comes to ECU stuff.

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the dual O2 Sensor is another reason I was wondering about the Maxima vg30 ecu since its just one O2.

I hope we have more ppl attempt this so we can make it more common and save us all money! If I had a little cash I'd be trying it right now

Keep it coming guys

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TSL wrote:
Double check your sources.

I have successfully run dozens of rb25s with rb20 ecu and never touched one wire.

A lot of the pinouts floating around on the net are wrong.

Modified by TSL at 12:45 PM 8/21/2008
This is off of the instruction sheet of my AEM EMS ecu.


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300Plus wrote:the dual O2 Sensor is another reason I was wondering about the Maxima vg30 ecu since its just one O2. Keep it coming guys
You mean VE30 maxima engine, not vg30 right? I believe the pinout is somewhat similar to the RB25. As a bonus the VE30 ecu has vtc control...

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eh? wrote:This is off of the instruction sheet of my AEM EMS ecu.
Well that is interesting. Have you successfully wired up either rb20 or rb25 using that data?

This is a little bit of a mystery as there is conflicting information available. I remember checking the wiring on both rb25 and rb20 when i first looked into this but i am unable to recall the specifics. I will look into it and come back with a definite answer.

One thing i am certain is that i have tuned both S1 and S2 R33 rb25det engines using rb20 ecu and i have never swapped the injector wires. I am not lying or exaggerating when i say i have done over 30 different rb25 engines and it has always been plug and play with the rb20 ecu.

I will trace the number 4 and 6 injector wire from the ecu plug all the way to the injector plug for r32 rb20det and r33 rb25det s1 and s2 looms. I'm determined to get to the bottom of this.

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I always thought that the rb20 doesnt have vtc like the rb25 do. And therefore you have to run it all the time or activate it with a swicth. Then running it all the time just puts more stress on the vtc system.

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it should be the other way around..... The more info makes it easier.

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Don't forget the RB motors are batch fire.... swapping pins shouldnt matter as they are all firing anyway....

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Hey TSL - would you share / sell your bin? I'd love to try it in my car....

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I use a 92-94 (cant remember the year, but it HAS to be this year group) Maxima Twin Cam ECU tuned by Jim Wolf. It plugs right up. =)

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Hustle240 wrote:I use a 92-94 (cant remember the year, but it HAS to be this year group) Maxima Twin Cam ECU tuned by Jim Wolf. It plugs right up. =)
the V6 maxima right? you are saying you plugged it right up to your RB25 and it ran perfectly with no repinning ?

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1992-1994 VE30DE DOHC maxima (SE)


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300Plus wrote:
the V6 maxima right? you are saying you plugged it right up to your RB25 and it ran perfectly with no repinning ?
I called Jim Wolf about tuning the RB25 ECU, and the guy there told me they can tune the maxima ecu for it and it would work. And it does plug right up. Makes everything a whole lot easier. Give jim wolf a call they have a customer push well over 700 using the same ECU.

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Hustle240 wrote:
I called Jim Wolf about tuning the RB25 ECU, and the guy there told me they can tune the maxima ecu for it and it would work. And it does plug right up. Makes everything a whole lot easier. Give jim wolf a call they have a customer push well over 700 using the same ECU.
Very interesting...

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I was blind, asked a stupid question, nevermind.


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virus77 wrote:What year maxima are we talking about here, not that the z32 ecu stuff is complicated but plug and play sounds better!!!
1992-1994 VE30DE DOHC

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And its a direct plug and play, not just the o2 sensor part? none of the ecu pins need to be changed?

And im assuming this would be the type 2 board from nistune?
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See I told you lol Me and Carl H (I believe) talked about this about a year ago. The maxima seemed to be a easier option because of the single O2.

I hope something comes out of this! If I had time I pull up the rb25 ecu diagram to compare wire for wire. but if we can start confirming and have a few ppl actually up and running on them that would be a huge step

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honestly.. the o2 sensor is really a minimal concern.. you just bridge the 2 inputs together.. hell the damn 02 sensor doesn't even really function most of the time... the ecu ignores all that **** most of the time

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The o2 sensor part is not my main issue, its the following pins swapping...for the RB25DE(T) based R33's these are the wiring modifications:

R33 pin 19 to Z32 pin 34R33 pin 105 to Z32 pin 110R33 pin 110 to Z32 pin 105R33 pin 112 to Z32 pin 114R33 pin 114 to Z32 pin 112

R33 pin 57: cutZ32 pins 29+52 : join

if I could avoid this by installing a dohc ve30de ecu from a maxima it would make a cleaner/easier install... no harm in making things easier...

plus I've located a 93 dohc ecu locally for $60 bucks so im gonna be rooting for this right now lol

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virus77 wrote:The o2 sensor part is not my main issue, its the following pins swapping...for the RB25DE(T) based R33's these are the wiring modifications:

R33 pin 19 to Z32 pin 34R33 pin 105 to Z32 pin 110R33 pin 110 to Z32 pin 105R33 pin 112 to Z32 pin 114R33 pin 114 to Z32 pin 112

R33 pin 57: cutZ32 pins 29+52 : join

if I could avoid this by installing a dohc ve30de ecu from a maxima it would make a cleaner/easier install... no harm in making things easier...

plus I've located a 93 dohc ecu locally for $60 bucks so im gonna be rooting for this right now lol
Give Jim Wolf a call before you get this. Like I said earlier, I can't remember if the ECU I'm running is a 92-94 (I can't remember the year range, but it HAS to be specific). Call them and verify it. I got mine a while ago and sent it off to them to tune. I'm pushing around 500 with this ECU.

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alright just got off the line with JWT

They tune the 92-94 DOCH ecu only which would be the SE edition maxima with the VE motor not the VG...

it comes with a single O2 like the skyline, runs the Valve timing and requires NO REPINNING...

Just saving other people the hassle of calling. I am assuming the the nistune TYPE 2 board should work on this the same way it works on a z32 ecu correct?

Here is a list of compatible ecu numbers I got from the site.... I am not responsible for this not working... merely my research

Manufacturer P/N - Year- Description - Turbo - Trans - Model-Engine - Niss. Part #

A18-B82 ED8 92 Maxima No A J30-VE30DE 23710-7E115A18-B80 ED6 92 Maxima No A J30-VE30DE 23710-7E215A18-A45 E97 92 Maxima No A J30-VE30DE 23710-97E10A18-A47 E99 92 Maxima No A J30-VE30DE 23710-97E15A18-B81 ED7 92 Maxima No M J30-VE30DE 23710-7E110A18-B79 ED5 92 Maxima No M J30-VE30DE 23710-7E210A18-A44 E96 92 Maxima No M J30-VE30DE 23710-97E00A18-A46 E98 92 Maxima No M J30-VE30DE 23710-97E05

A18-B82 ED8 93 Maxima No A J30-VE30DE 23710-7E115A18-B80 ED6 93 Maxima No A J30-VE30DE 23710-7E215A18-B81 ED7 93 Maxima No M J30-VE30DE 23710-7E110A18-B79 ED5 93 Maxima No M J30-VE30DE 23710-7E210

A18-B52 ED0 94 Maxima No A J30-VE30DE 23710-7E405A18-B50 EC8 94 Maxima No A J30-VE30DE 23710-7E505A18-B51 EC9 94 Maxima No M J30-VE30DE 23710-7E400A18-B49 EC7 94 Maxima No M J30-VE30DE 23710-7E500
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Yea there you go. Hope that helps you guys. I actually thought a lot more people knew about this.

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Ok, so the 92-94 Maxima ECU can be used, but it MUST be tuned?

I wonder if I shouldn't just buy the JWT tune and be done with it for now...


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