RB s14 owers I need some input. coilovers.

[Evo_bill]

I'm looking at getting some Tein FLEX type setup in a month or so,My question is I don't know much about the other companies out their.I'm sure this isn't a bad choice, But am I wasting money on these; Should I be looking at another setup? I'm planning mostly street driving, road racing/circuit, drag, little drift not often. mainly autocross. I care more about controlling the car then comfort.

[lucky7]

i personally have always felt that tein's are a bit overrated. i have nothing really to back that up, just the impression ive always gotten.

anyhow, i have the same plans as you. a buddy talked me into a set of STANCE GR+ pro's. 15 way adjustable, traction springs, rebuildable, etc. i got them on zilvia in a group buy for $1180 shipped. they're still in the box, but im excited to bolt them up. they look nice.



(just so you know, they may move this to the silvia/240 thread as it doesnt pertain directly to RB's)

[cdorhout]

I run Stance coilovers

+1

[Joe]

I have tein superdrifts, they are great.

if this is going to be a performance car (i.e. not just coilovers for street and looks) save your money and get a GOOD set. flex's are the most entry level teins out there.

Ksport has good stuff as does Stance if you are on a budget, but the extra few hundred dollars is worth it when you get a good name brand coilover.

[HxC_Nismo]

I have tein superdrifts, they are great.

if this is going to be a performance car (i.e. not just coilovers for street and looks) save your money and get a GOOD set. flex's are the most entry level teins out there.

Ksport has good stuff as does Stance if you are on a budget, but the extra few hundred dollars is worth it when you get a good name brand coilover.

are those tein drift coil overs too stiff to where you cant get a good launch when drag racing, and how well to they handle when it come to autocross with an rb in it since the added wieght.

I was planning on running the tein coil overs with the edfc and run the tanabe underbrace's, and cusco strut tower braces, suspension technique front and rear sway bars, and etc. but i want my rb26 240 s14 to handle and prove all these sr20 owners that you can own a rb swaped 240 and still have killer handling, if you know what i mean.

[Yellow4g63]

are those tein drift coil overs too stiff to where you cant get a good launch when drag racing, and how well to they handle when it come to autocross with an rb in it since the added wieght.

I was planning on running the tein coil overs with the edfc and run the tanabe underbrace's, and cusco strut tower braces, suspension technique front and rear sway bars, and etc. but i want my rb26 240 s14 to handle and prove all these sr20 owners that you can own a rb swaped 240 and still have killer handling, if you know what i mean.

If you really want to make your RB handle find someone that knows suspension setup and make them set it up. Might be a bit more but it's well worth it to have someone who knows what there doing set up the car.

[Kansei240sx]

I have had great experience with Megan aka Apexi's N1 32 way full adjustable coil overs. They have great adjusting capabilities and ride really great.

JIC coil overs are rock solid and very stiff, but when used right they work great.

Me... well.... LOL i have KYB GR-2s on R1 racing springs and these cheap *** sons of b1tches hold up like mother and i grip like crazy with em.

[lucky7]

If you really want to make your RB handle find someone that knows suspension setup and make them set it up. Might be a bit more but it's well worth it to have someone who knows what there doing set up the car.

there used to be a shop around the detroit area that could/would set up your suspension EXACTLY the way you need it for whatever you were interested in doing. very very cool imo. need to do some research and see if they are still around.

[Evo_bill]

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i personally have always felt that tein's are a bit overrated. i have nothing really to back that up, just the impression ive always gotten.

anyhow, i have the same plans as you. a buddy talked me into a set of STANCE GR+ pro's. 15 way adjustable, traction springs, rebuildable, etc. i got them on zilvia in a group buy for $1180 shipped. they're still in the box, but im excited to bolt them up. they look nice.



(just so you know, they may move this to the silvia/240 thread as it doesnt pertain directly to RB's)

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Any reason (besides price) behide why Stance over tein Super Drifts?

[lucky7]

nothing in particular. i have a couple local buddies that use them. they both absolutely rave about them. i was skeptical at first. read and read. apparently everyone who has used other coils, and switched to stance say they are comparable to more expensive coils. more of recomended. except by ALOT of people indirectly. lol. they look tits too. haha.

[Chaos the Xile]

I am using TEIN Flex coilsover and I love teh way they hug the road under hi-speed turns. They are a little rough over the bumps and what not but thats almost every coilover. I haven't had a single problem yet I would def recommend them!

[Joe]

are those tein drift coil overs too stiff to where you cant get a good launch when drag racing, and how well to they handle when it come to autocross with an rb in it since the added wieght.

first, the "added weight" is nothing. it disrupts the balance less than a full/empty tank of gas does.

and its a very stiff suspension designed for road racing/drifting. the way i have my alingment set up i have NO traction on a launch but TONS in corners.

its hard to get it all because a drag suspension is very soft to get squat for traction while a autocross/race suspension is very stiff.

and ALL of you need to learn about alingments and what each setting controls. you shouldnt have to pay a shop to set your car up, because YOU should make specific changes to your setup based on how you want the car to handle. my alingment is very specific to how i like the car to feel when driving (HPDE or drift)

[NISMO_RB25]

I am using TEIN Flex coilsover and I love teh way they hug the road under hi-speed turns. They are a little rough over the bumps and what not but thats almost every coilover. I haven't had a single problem yet I would def recommend them!

I am going to second that one. They are kind of harsh over rough pavement, but they are great on curves and made the car very predictable when sliding. Nice 30 mph sweeper curve near my house that I take at 95, 105-115 if hang the back end out. Falken Azensis don't hurt either.

[HxC_Nismo]

first, the "added weight" is nothing. it disrupts the balance less than a full/empty tank of gas does.

and its a very stiff suspension designed for road racing/drifting. the way i have my alingment set up i have NO traction on a launch but TONS in corners.

its hard to get it all because a drag suspension is very soft to get squat for traction while a autocross/race suspension is very stiff.

and ALL of you need to learn about alingments and what each setting controls. you shouldnt have to pay a shop to set your car up, because YOU should make specific changes to your setup based on how you want the car to handle. my alingment is very specific to how i like the car to feel when driving (HPDE or drift)

well my car going to be used mostly to drag race and autocross so im leaning more to the tein flex for my setup.

[rbsileighty]

Start with a budget... then work from there

Highly recommend Kei Office... you get what you pay for... remember it's not just all about spring rates... MATCHED valving in the dampers is just as important

[sil_eightyRPS13]

tein flex's r a joke u can compress the spring with your fingers..way to soft!!!id say run a 14kg/mm spring rate up front, and go with a 8 or 10kg/mm in the rear im runnina a 12kg/mm inthe front right now and i still think the car rolls to much up front so im switching to 14kg/mm im runnin MEGAN RACE SPEC's if u were curious

[Darius]

14kg/mm front and 12kg/mm rear? That is going to be way to stiff for street driving. He'll feel every crease in the pavement since he's planning on mostly street driving. 8/6 should get him somewhere around what would be considered tolerable on the street and more of an "all-around" spring rate. It can be assumed that if you are buying a decent set of coilovers that the damping rate will be matched to the spring.

I've ridden in cdorhout's car and it is as stiff as a go-kart at low speeds, but on the highway the damping really smooths the ride out.

Another thing you might want to consider with your coilover system is the rebuildability of the shocks.

If you haven't already, you should read this sticky in the wheels,tires, and suspension forum. There's more than enough information in there to get you where you want to be.zerothread/11638

[Evo_bill]

I think if I had to narrow things down, I would say Im looking for a Road racing setup. Looking to spending 1000-1500 on coilovers another 500 on pillow-ball rods, sway bars ect.

[Joe]

I think if I had to narrow things down, I would say Im looking for a Road racing setup. Looking to spending 1000-1500 on coilovers another 500 on pillow-ball rods, sway bars ect.

then dont waste your money with that entry level or no name bull****.

spend the money the first time and do it right. if you are going to *USE* the car its a very important decision.

[Evo_bill]

so, which Stance? Tein SDF? Apexi N1?

[Joe]

tanabe pro seven.

has in car adjustability like the EDFC but has SPEED SENSITIVE adjustability too.

[Carl H]

i run eibach prokit and tokico dspecs...handles VERY well on the street and curves but is still mild enough for daily driving.i had silkroad coilovers on my s13 with the rb in it and i loved it but they were too stiff for daily driving...made girls boobs fly all over the place while driving.

[rbsileighty]

I have 9/7 kg rates on my Kei's... rides really well because they actually tuned the dampers to the springs. Only reason I wouldn't daily drive my car is b/c of the cage, no interior, harnesses, and no radio... this is with 17's too... still rides really well not much different than my buddy's car who has Carl's exact setup except rb25 in a S14, but same suspension as Carl

I do roadrace my car... and I only have the coilovers and factory Hicas sways. I'd say it's about perfect (hankook Ventus R-s2's don't hurt... but they are still to small so I expect more from the next set that will be wider)... just need control arms for the rear so I can adjust camber.

So... don't waste money on parts you might not need... start with the core (coilovers or springs/shocks/struts) and fix the handling from there. I told my friend with his 350Z this before he bought a ton of parts... he's spent a lot less and is much happier than he would have been with all of the misc parts he was thinking about before...

[Carl H]

while you are replacing the suspention i sudgest you replace all bushings in the arms with urathane and converting the diff and subframe to solid al mount.makes a WORLD of diffrence in handling, i can dive into corners and the car just grips thru.

[Chaos the Xile]

I am going to second that one. They are kind of harsh over rough pavement, but they are great on curves and made the car very predictable when sliding. Nice 30 mph sweeper curve near my house that I take at 95, 105-115 if hang the back end out. Falken Azensis don't hurt either.

Yeah If I could take you for a ride and snatch a corner you would be impressed! Also like Carl said replace all the other things like bushings, tie rod ends, control arms etc. It's just a headache once you start breaking stuff that could ahve been avoided.

[Evo_bill]

while you are replacing the suspention i sudgest you replace all bushings in the arms with urathane and converting the diff and subframe to solid al mount.makes a WORLD of diffrence in handling, i can dive into corners and the car just grips thru.

Yeah Carl I was already planning on getting the whole subframe refurbished with new bushings, along with a VLSD or some other LSD replacment. I think I narrowed the coilover setup to Tein's Mono Flex setup. Its still unavailible but I'm willing to wait, it seems to be the only mono piston setup they offer.

[gawdzilla]

i run tein flex, seem to be ok but then again i've never had enough tire to really push the suspension

[Darius]

Here is the Endura-Tech thread I wanted to point you to earlier.

zerothread?id=210342

[Evo_bill]

oh **** nice find. thanks

[Darius]

In theory, this question should be addressed in the suspension forum. But if you are serious about getting technical about your setup and want to do some reading, search for any thread created or responded to by Q45tech. The guy is great at explaining technical suspension theory.