rb motor series, which is 'better'

[StricNyne]

what good is reving higher than 6900 when u stop making power at 6400, not saying the 25 stops getting power at 6400, just using example

[Phat_Optimo]

Man its pathetic yet funny reading this.Rb26 for the "wow factor" & "the 26 IN MY OPINION is just to say you did it"... WTF? Obviously a solid foundation is not very important to these people or they don't have the green or they are tyring to make themselves feel better by dissing superior engines. I do like the 25 over the 20 for numerous reasons already listed. Everyone knows whos topdogg but they wanna bash it. Personally I do all my own mechanic work. Only thing I don't do is weld and machine. There is no wow factor its a power factor plain and simple.

Get what your wallet can handle.

[mkory]

Woah... I knew the 25's transmission was bigger, but I had no idea it was THAT bigger. Doesn't the KA's transmission work too if you change something on it?

[hannibal]

From my undersatnding, the trannys are very similar, but not identical. (different bellhousings??)KA = SR = RB20VG30 (TT?) = RB25

IMO, RB25 is the 'better' motor, but the RB20 is a great option. RB20 isntalled cost about the same as SR swap or KA-T. RB25 motorset costs about the same as SR, but needs a little more money to install it. $4200 for Rb25 installed does sound like a good deal.

For the record, a RB25 still flows more at 7000rpm than a RB20 does at 8000rpm. (I think those are the stock redlines)

[mkory]

The place I'm going through charges a lot more for a sr swap than I think they should... or at least more than a lot of other places. Maybe they can get away with this because the sr is that much more popular, and maybe that's how they can give such a good deal on the rb swaps? Just speculating.

I owe it to myself to go 25, even I have to wait a couple of months longer to get the money. I just have a feeling I'll regret going 20 if I could get a 25 by waiting a little while longer.

[StricNyne]

i got a 25 and i love it, 20 is a great motor, imo its better than sr20, i went with what i could afford, to me 26 is awesome just the added price of motor cost plus additional 25 transmission stopped me, and i wanted a r33 26 not a r32

[RMiller]

The 26 is a great option. All the parts to use the stock turbos are available, so ideally simply using the stock setup w/ the "bpu" upgrades would yield a reliable motor pushing 400 whp w/ the stock injectors, mafs, turbos, etc. Even if it costs $9k w/ the intake and exhaust, mounts, xmember, 25 trans, custom downpipe, etc. that price is still somewhat attractive. $4200 for a 25 installed sounds almost too good to be true; if that was the case then the same company might as well charge $6k for the 26 installed, and we all know tons of people would find a way to pay for that.

[mkory]

Yeah, they've got the 26 swap posted on their site, but with no price. They also offer street and race swaps, I'm gonna see what those include. I know... 4,200 almost seems too good to be true, but I shot them an email making sure it was right, and it was.

[hannibal]

What shop is gonna be doing the swap??

[mkory]

It's a secret... jk

http://www.modernspeedlabs.com

[RMiller]

Those prices are amazing. Why would you do the swap yourself when you could pay 4200 and remove all the unknown variables that can come into play. Flat fee is worth alot to me, nothing hidden. 26 would be an even better deal if it costs around 7k from that place. Amazing, finally a shop charges reasonable prices for services, that's wonderful. Hopefully they do quality work.

[Nameless EJ6]

I'd never pay a shop to touch my car.. but that's me. I like the feeling that comes from building it myself. Then if something goes wrong, it's your own fault and you can fix it yourself instead of waiting for a shop to do it.

If it's one thing I've learned over the past five years, it's don't trust anyone elses work except your own. Now if you have a good friend who is as anal as you, then that's a different story.

[BoostFab]

It's a secret... jk

http://www.modernspeedlabs.com

woow!!!!! RB20DET FULL FRONT CLIP_$2450.00i could get two clips for that price. their price is ridiculous.

[RMiller]

I'd never pay a shop to touch my car.. but that's me. I like the feeling that comes from building it myself. Then if something goes wrong, it's your own fault and you can fix it yourself instead of waiting for a shop to do it.

If it's one thing I've learned over the past five years, it's don't trust anyone elses work except your own. Now if you have a good friend who is as anal as you, then that's a different story.

Building it yourself is nice, but if it costs the same to have someone else do it, why spend time doing it yourself (if the shop does decent work and you can look at examples). Your time is worth something, it isn't just free labor. Besides, it isn't like paying a machine shop to port a head, where real precision comes into play. You take one engine out and put the other in, use the proper mounts, wire it up properly and you're basically good to go. It's work that anyone can do, and doesn't require any real talent. That's why so many people on these boards do it themselves, all it is is time consuming for those who aren't fluent with the procedure (I imagine it would become so for people who do swaps for a living).

[Nameless EJ6]

Building it yourself is nice, but if it costs the same to have someone else do it, why spend time doing it yourself (if the shop does decent work and you can look at examples). Your time is worth something, it isn't just free labor. Besides, it isn't like paying a machine shop to port a head, where real precision comes into play. You take one engine out and put the other in, use the proper mounts, wire it up properly and you're basically good to go. It's work that anyone can do, and doesn't require any real talent. That's why so many people on these boards do it themselves, all it is is time consuming for those who aren't fluent with the procedure (I imagine it would become so for people who do swaps for a living).

Sure anyone can do it. My point lies within trusting someone elses work.

You're seeing the concept of having someone else do the job, but how do you know they will do it right? Over tightening ****, messed up wiring hach jobs (butt connectors and wires everywhere).. I've seen all kinds of crap jobs from shops that say they 'specialize' in certain areas. Alot of people who work in aftermarket shops have no training or experience in basics, it's all aftermarket.

It's not my money.. I really don't care. I just hate seeing people paying for someone elses work. That's something a poser would do.

[mkory]

It's not that I'm a poser, but I don't really trust my work. I'd rather have a professional (which these guys are) with experience (which these guys have) do the job in one tenth of the time it'd take me, and already have the proper tools. As you could see from their start page, they even had a skyline of their own that they worked on, and the shop techs have been doing nissan swaps for years. Yes, I'd trust them.

[RMiller]

Sure anyone can do it. My point lies within trusting someone elses work.

You're seeing the concept of having someone else do the job, but how do you know they will do it right? Over tightening ****, messed up wiring hach jobs (butt connectors and wires everywhere).. I've seen all kinds of crap jobs from shops that say they 'specialize' in certain areas. Alot of people who work in aftermarket shops have no training or experience in basics, it's all aftermarket.

It's not my money.. I really don't care. I just hate seeing people paying for someone elses work. That's something a poser would do.

I hear you, and I said it was important for the shop to do good work. There are places that do crappy work and there are places that do great work. At $4200 for an 25, the shop can make money and still do a proper job. I don't know if they do, but they can. If they do, it would be worth it to me. But what do I care, I'm not in the market.

[hannibal]

I think you give up an important thing when you let a shop do it: Learning about your car/motor.

You will have to sooner or later. Might as well start at the beginning. But tools, etc are a big 'investment', but hopefully youre in the car modding, motor swapping game for the long term.

...$4200 is a really hard deal to ignore...

[mkory]

You're damn right it's hard to ignore!!! I'm putting off a timeing chain and clutch replacement in order to save for this. Wish me luck!

[goofynick6]

$4200 is hard to ignore, but "You get what you pay for is even harder to ignore"...I've tried to ignore it for years, and ended up getting screwed over almost everytime..

NIck

[mkory]

Yeah... but secretly I'm hopeing the chain breaks, engine gets effed, and I get my dad to help me with the rb to replace. I just need to make it appear to be about the same cost.