Rare's "Little" Project -This is a slow one

Post by tg » Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:55 pm

What setup you going to use for welding?

Post by **raremotive** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:02 pm

tungsten inert gas.

Don't have the welder right now. I have the cash for it, but to me it doesn't make sense to buy it this summer for it to sit in the garage for my final year of college. So for now I been working on everything to the point of need of a welder.

I been talking with a japanese tuner, welder by trade in the past (under water welding too), he recommend getting the newer Miller Dynasty 200DX. Even a year after given the recommendation, looking around, he is right for what fits my need for my shop tool collection.

This just leaves me time to optimize the roll cage, already began drawing up the basics. I have quite a bit more to do, but it's slowing coming together.

Website · Post by **legion** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:03 am

Roll cage looks great. Is that AutoCAD you're using there? Or maybe Inventor or Solidworks.

Post by **raremotive** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:06 am

Inventor. I am more used to Solidworks, but I am forced to learn Inventor. So far it's been a pretty impressive tool too as well.

Post by tg » Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:38 am

Rare_f8 wrote:tungsten inert gas.

Don't have the welder right now. I have the cash for it, but to me it doesn't make sense to buy it this summer for it to sit in the garage for my final year of college. So for now I been working on everything to the point of need of a welder.

I been talking with a japanese tuner, welder by trade in the past (under water welding too), he recommend getting the newer Miller Dynasty 200DX. Even a year after given the recommendation, looking around, he is right for what fits my need for my shop tool collection.

This just leaves me time to optimize the roll cage, already began drawing up the basics. I have quite a bit more to do, but it's slowing coming together.

I think somebody on 3zc has a full 3d model of the 300zx, not sure if its 100% to scale though...

Post by **raremotive** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:17 am

tg wrote: I think somebody on 3zc has a full 3d model of the 300zx, not sure if its 100% to scale though...

I seen plenty of 3d models of the 300zx, but they are all surface models, or meshes of the exterior of the car. Kinda like a paper model, not a true frame. The way I been doing this roll cage is that I measured the frame for a confinement area to keep the cage within. Then I been looking over FIA, NASA, and SCCA regulations on exactly what I need.

As you see I have quite a bit to add. Main hoop backstays, main hoop diagonal bars, side impact bars. The front hoops is going to need a straight bar to support the first bend because it's so long as per regulations.

Fun mostly.

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Post by **z32pilot62** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:23 pm

Any updates?

Post by **raremotive** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:33 am

No, updates. My aunt moved out, so all the junk is out of the garage. Now the car sits in the garage safe from the elements. Not much I can do until I get the welder, which is not soon. So in the mean time I been looking at the shopping list and educating myself as each component needs.

I began on my blog if any thing to be considered progress.

www.raremotive.com

Post by **REDWINTERZ** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:42 am

I really like the article on the cylinder walls you wrote. I never new any of that. Good to know since I will be rebuilding a motor... lol. Keep up the good work!

Post by **DCaff300ZX** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:41 am

Rare_f8 wrote:No, updates. My aunt moved out, so all the junk is out of the garage. Now the car sits in the garage safe from the elements. Not much I can do until I get the welder, which is not soon. So in the mean time I been looking at the shopping list and educating myself as each component needs.

I began on my blog if any thing to be considered progress.

http://www.raremotive.com

Nice to see it all in one place, and be able to access it so easily!

Post by **raremotive** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:58 am

I wanted to make a blog for a while. Kind of a window of my home shop progress and growth. A friend finally annoyed me enough to buy the domain name. He hooked me up with the hosting and WordPress. I did the rest.

Most of what I have to say about the car is done for this year, same for this thread. I have to finish my last year of college... get a job.. move...

In the mean time I will figure out how to get AWS to hook me up for free tig welding certificate.. of course training is included!

And in absence of car work I might do monthly tech articles to keep dust from growing on the website.

And those who are wondering what my resent topics of research are:

dry sump pumps... and higher compression + boost (like 10:1 on pump gas)

Post by **DCaff300ZX** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:21 pm

VERY cool...I'll be a visitor for sure!

Post by **DCaff300ZX** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:22 pm

Oh, and a "request" for a topic...the VK56 you and TG brought up, any tech info and such would be awesome and I could run it past my Z guy who is a swap pro...

Post by **raremotive** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:30 pm

Hmm, that would be a whole new project if anything. I looked into just getting the engine just to study it mechanically to determine how to build it up. But the cost of a new engine would take away from the cost of my current project. So my eyes are open for a cheap one laying around with full harness. I might do a full tear down analysis post, but that will be ages from now. I imagine it will look like her sister the VH45DE..and she looks like this:

Not much I can post about it. But right now I can tell you, all VK56 comes with an automatic transmission. You will need to adapt a transmission if you not want to stick with the bulky sludge box. Depending on your choice of abuse (drag, track, or just street).. your options are unlimited.

There's adapter plates for them if you want to spend the gem: ( you know I'll be making my own when time comes around)
http://shop.driftemporium.com/NISSAN-TI ... DAPTER.htm

Image of a adapted VK56 with Z33 transmission:

Only warning is... get a 05 year or higher transmission.. they have a sticker on them.. usually says CDXXXX... the XXXX is series/revision number..revision number -005 is the lowest you want... 000-004 have weak sycrhros for 3rd gear.

Here's a tear down of the 350z transmission (notice my custom title/link for it

):

You can see how stout the gears are, but...3rd gear craps out... over high power abuse...chances are drag racing abuse. Tracking offers less stress of components, but most of the time I might be in 3rd gear. Obviously, I decided to tackle the beast if it comes.

I am a track car junkie, by the time I roll around to making it.. I might just source a GTR rear transmission and play with it.. utilize the shifting. Maybe play with it's guts to ensure reliability and maybe delete the AWD. All will come clear when the time comes. But for replace-ability, I might just stick with the Z33 transmission.

Post by **DCaff300ZX** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:13 pm

Good stuff, and thanks for the link....MMMMmmmm, ITB's for the VK there also, but <cough, cough> 2,200 bones...
I may be looking at a TT to become the daily and park the NA until time and money allows a swap, if so I will have to start seriously thinking about what to put in it.
A VK56 with ITB's and a Z33 6-speed could be interesting it seems...although my Z guy specializes in Skyline swaps so I have two basic choices so far.
Ahhh, choices...

Post by tg » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:28 pm

8000rpm vk56 with ITB's and straight pipes would be the most godlike sound.

So rare, kick your family out and get started on the project already!!!

Post by **REDWINTERZ** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:01 am

tg wrote:8000rpm vk56 with ITB's and straight pipes would be the most godlike sound.

So rare, kick your family out and get started on the project already!!!

That would be SO SWEEEEEEEEET!!

Post by **DCaff300ZX** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:42 am

Would sound a lot like this I think...hope Rare doesn't mind I share:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKoBIjX9 ... re=related

Post by **raremotive** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:45 am

I don't mind... this one has more content:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o35rZaJdpHs

Post by tg » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:26 pm

Rare_f8 wrote:I don't mind... this one has more content:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o35rZaJdpHs

Sick car, but the saleen raped its doors off

Post by **DCaff300ZX** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:28 pm

Man that would be a BLAST taking that car for a run, or even getting a ride with the driver for a all-out run!
Damn thing sounds awesome, just a rush taking it all in on the driver's view portion.
Road courses have ALWAYS been my favorite, and like many I'm sure I've always wished I had a chance to work towards running these cars...

Post by **DCaff300ZX** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:29 pm

tg wrote:
Rare_f8 wrote:I don't mind... this one has more content:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o35rZaJdpHs
Sick car, but the saleen raped its doors off

The saleen is a sweet car as well, saw a few vids of it awhile back and it truly screams...

Post by **raremotive** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:56 pm

Saleen isn't a underdog.. sorry.. I am fan of underdogs that can beat those $500,000 cars...

Post by **DCaff300ZX** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:10 pm

I appreciate any specialty car for what it is and can do, although I am never a fan of the Top Dog or #1 guy like Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, etc.

Unfortunately without being a race driver though, we'll never get the chance to put even a car like the GTR through it's paces much less a Saleen, Ferrari, etc. so we make do with what we can get ahold of and root for the underdog!

Post by tg » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:46 pm

Rare_f8 wrote:Saleen isn't a underdog.. sorry.. I am fan of underdogs that can beat those $500,000 cars...

hehe, the transmission and engine alone on that gtr is probably 500k ;D I have a sweet spot for the s7. That and the zonda R are my top two.

Post by **raremotive** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:13 am

tg wrote:
Rare_f8 wrote:Saleen isn't a underdog.. sorry.. I am fan of underdogs that can beat those $500,000 cars...
hehe, the transmission and engine alone on that gtr is probably 500k ;D I have a sweet spot for the s7. That and the zonda R are my top two.

The whole race car may cost that much in parts...probably a bit less...

The actual cost for it is about 700,000 if you want to start your own GT1 race team...

Post by **jedijeff123** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:01 am

whoa whoa, guys. what's all this about HEADERS? Screw that. VK56DETT with itb's. that...that would be teh secks...v8 low end torque, itb response, turbos for max top end horsepower...

Post by **DCaff300ZX** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:10 pm

Damn Jedi, gotta keep her in one piece for more than a year or so!

I like your thinking, but I'd be happy with everything but the forced induction.

Post by **raremotive** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:13 pm

Things changed a little, so no welder.. soon.. But it's still in sights for next year like I originally stated. Just the cash for it went somewhere else...

so-i-broke-down-t501290.html

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